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Clinton releases devastating anti-Trump ad

That was a whole lot of meh.
 
Exactly. They are to interpret the law without bias, or to hand the win to one side or the other. They are to interpret regardless.

Excellent. Agreed. That should be their goal. None of this "figuring out which side you are more sympathetic to, and then backtracking to find a reason why they should win" nonsense.

Problem: the sides disagree on the nature of the law itself, with one arguing that what is written is, and remains the law, and the other arguing that the law is more fluid, can be bent to other purposes, and should be continually re-interpreted through the Lens Of Modern Times.
 
I love how when someone points out the reality of a situation that others ASSUME that that person is happy with the eventual outcome. Pssst, we are Scr*wed either way, Homer. Enjoy your crow in November.

i am not the one saying it is impossible for Trump to win....you are

Hillary is the favorite

you are the one putting all your marbles on the table....
 
that's a great reference to voting for a third party

:shrug: if your honor and beliefs are so cheap to you that you would sell them for the off-chance that maybe Donald randomly picks a decent judge, then vote GOP. I'm not paying that cost for that reward.
 
i am not the one saying it is impossible for Trump to win....you are

Hillary is the favorite

you are the one putting all your marbles on the table....
Is she really the favorite? More than half of the country hates her just as much as Trump.
 
I have been saying all year long that Trump has given the Clinton campaign more than enough material to run the most effective negative ad campaign against him since at least LBJ destroyed Goldwater in 64. Anyone that thinks Trump won't lose in a landslide come November is delusional. Hell even without the negative ads he still would be facing the fact that he is demographically unelectable. He has to get 40% of the Hispanic vote to win. He won't even get 10% of it.
This statistic applies to a traditional Republican and Trump is anything BUT so you can throw that playbook out the window. It may well end up a lop-sided victory for Hillary but the path taken to get there is going to be unlike anything any one of us has ever seen in presidential politics.

I could actually see Trump winning in places like Pennsylvania yet losing in places like Texas.
 
If you think you have seen real mudslinging in past elections, think again. There is going to be more mud thrown this year than all other election years combined. Me? I will be breaking out the beer and popcorn, and enjoy watching Trump and Clinton destroy each other. Another year for Democrats and Republicans, and one small step closer to Third Party voting meaning something.

Go Gary Johnson!!

Article is here.

You know, there's really nothing left for a lot of us but to sit back and watch, like we're in attendance at some event hosted and organized by Micheal Vick. Its going to feel kind of weird not really rooting for either one, but not really being invested in either one means we can just watch and laugh at them both, as the hits keep coming and the maturity level struggles to stay above middle school grade. I'm already imagining an animated version where they fight Celebrity Death Match style and start pulling out signature moves.

Holy Hand Grenade (reluctantly handed over by Ted Cruz)
I'm Rubber You're Glue, Look Your **** Bounced Back At You
Hairnado
Media Mastermind
Decibels of the Demagogue

Force Field of Feminism
Stacked Deck
Tampon Torpedo
Corporate Cash Cryo Cannon
The Guatemalan Gun Grab
Bosnian Bullet Dodge

OK, I'm having too much fun with this, maybe it needs its own thread in on the lighter side....
 
Is she really the favorite? More than half of the country hates her just as much as Trump.

Clinton is upside down by 16.5 points in the Favorable/Unfavorable ratings.

Trump is upside down by 37.

The head-to-head polling, stretching back to February, looks like:

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:shrug: if your honor and beliefs are so cheap to you that you would sell them for the off-chance that maybe Donald randomly picks a decent judge, then vote GOP. I'm not paying that cost for that reward.

you're abdicating your responsibility and washing your hands of a bad situation which is not the adult thing to do
 
you're abdicating your responsibility and washing your hands of a bad situation which is not the adult thing to do

No, I'm not. I'm willing to continue to hold to my ideals, even against the opposition of my tribe, which is the mature response for those who are capable of independent thought. I'm not a Republican because my daddy was, or because that's what People Like Me Do. I was a Republican because it served as a vehicle for conservative reform. It has ceased to serve as that vehicle at the Presidential level, and so it no longer serves a purpose for me there - I will find a vehicle that does.

I don't have any responsibility for Trump - I opposed him from early in his candidacy, and continue to do so. I don't owe him anything, nor the GOP. They do not own me or my vote. As an adult citizen, I'm expected to exercise my franchise in an informed manner to the betterment of the country. That precludes voting for dangerous morons to wield the awesome power of the Presidency.
 
i am not the one saying it is impossible for Trump to win....you are

Hillary is the favorite

you are the one putting all your marbles on the table....

Nope, it is YOU that has used the term Impossible, several times now, I never used it, nice try Homer. Trying to put words into my mouth is not within your narrow skill set, so I would suggest trying another tactic.
 
Big old "meh" to the ludicrous title. And this is coming from a big time Trump detractor. This isn't an effective ad in the least. Why?

1. No target audience. Is it aimed at Republicans and trying to turn them away from Trump? If so, it's ineffective, given the fact that they were the ones most plugged into the REPUBLICAN primary in the first place so these attacks on Trump aren't magically "new". If it's aimed at Democrats, the ones that Trump is likely to sway over likely don't give a **** what the likes of Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio or a guy named Bush has to say about Trump. If it's aimed at independents, again it's questionable based on the Democratic narrative that has been pushed so much that independents don't like republicans.

2. Nearly every single one of those people in that ad have sat there and intimated in some fashion that despite all the horrible things about Donald Trump, he'd STILL be a better candidate than Hillary. Basically letting this commercial be "This is how bad they think he is....and they think Hillary is EVEN WORSE".

I strongly disagree. IMHO, Trump and Hillary are merely 2 different cheeks of the same ass.
 
Excellent. Agreed. That should be their goal. None of this "figuring out which side you are more sympathetic to, and then backtracking to find a reason why they should win" nonsense.

Problem: the sides disagree on the nature of the law itself, with one arguing that what is written is, and remains the law, and the other arguing that the law is more fluid, can be bent to other purposes, and should be continually re-interpreted through the Lens Of Modern Times.

Agreed.

But the thought of a nation being yoked indefinitely to laws, written through the lens of modern times centuries ago, is rather scary. Would you not agree? That somewhat removes the free will of a society to evolve or change as they desire.
 
A lot of the Trump supporters are all a flutter that Trump will attack Hillary and keep attacking her. But they never gave any thought to the fact that she'd attack Trump first. Hard and fast. She's not Ted Cruz. She doesn't have a moral center from which she fights.

She's a rabid she-wolf who will go for the Trump jugular and hold on until he stops moving.
 
No, I'm not. I'm willing to continue to hold to my ideals, even against the opposition of my tribe, which is the mature response for those who are capable of independent thought. I'm not a Republican because my daddy was, or because that's what People Like Me Do. I was a Republican because it served as a vehicle for conservative reform. It has ceased to serve as that vehicle at the Presidential level, and so it no longer serves a purpose for me there - I will find a vehicle that does.

I don't have any responsibility for Trump - I opposed him from early in his candidacy, and continue to do so. I don't owe him anything, nor the GOP. They do not own me or my vote. As an adult citizen, I'm expected to exercise my franchise in an informed manner to the betterment of the country. That precludes voting for dangerous morons to wield the awesome power of the Presidency.

The irony, as I see it it, is that I view Clinton as more conservative than Trump (with his given past,) even if Trump does tend to suck up to the conservative base telling them what they are clamoring to hear. All this time the right has been shouting for "more conservative candidates," and at the end of the day, we get Trump.

Seriously, if Hillary was not already the pre-determined democrat candidate, I think Trump would have run as a democrat. It would have been a lot easier make-over for him to do that.
 
Regardless of how you feel about Clinton, that was awesome.

Trump is going to be airing some awesome negative ads too. The only reason I posted the Clinton one is because it was first.

This year's fight is going to be like the movie Rocky........................................... and Bullwinkle. LOL.
 
This statistic applies to a traditional Republican and Trump is anything BUT so you can throw that playbook out the window. It may well end up a lop-sided victory for Hillary but the path taken to get there is going to be unlike anything any one of us has ever seen in presidential politics.

I could actually see Trump winning in places like Pennsylvania yet losing in places like Texas.

There is no evidence of that at all (other than media hype). Romney won a bigger percentage of the white vote than even Reagan did, yet still lost big electorally in the general because he did not pick up even enough of the Hispanic vote. The Republican Party already has the white vote. There is not anymore of it for Trump to get. To win they have to do like Bush did in 2004 and win at least 40% of the Hispanic vote. Trump will still end up losing all the same states that Romney did, and may well end up losing states like Missouri and Arizona as well.
 
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The irony, as I see it it, is that I view Clinton as more conservative than Trump (with his given past,) even if Trump does tend to suck up to the conservative base telling them what they are clamoring to hear. All this time the right has been shouting for "more conservative candidates," and at the end of the day, we get Trump.

Seriously, if Hillary was not already the pre-determined democrat candidate, I think Trump would have run as a democrat. It would have been a lot easier make-over for him to do that.

He still accomplished the makeover he set out to do though. Probably wasn't hard. He found a gullible audience. LOL.
 
I strongly disagree. IMHO, Trump and Hillary are merely 2 different cheeks of the same ass.

I don't know what you're disagreeing with, because that statement doesn't really counter my point.

The point isn't whether or not you think they're the same. The point is that the people they're quoting...the people who's words and opinions about Trump the commercial is attempting to portray as worthwhile and valid...THOSE people by and large think that as bad as Trump is, Hillary is worse. So all the bad crap they're saying about Trump is equally damning to Hillary, because despite all that they still think Hillary is worse.

It'd be like if Creed was trying to pump themselves up by showing a bunch of people saying "Nickelback is horrible and their music is ****ty", and ignoring the fact that those same people immediately follow that with "...but Creed is even ****tier"
 
I don't know what you're disagreeing with, because that statement doesn't really counter my point.

The point isn't whether or not you think they're the same. The point is that the people they're quoting...the people who's words and opinions about Trump the commercial is attempting to portray as worthwhile and valid...THOSE people by and large think that as bad as Trump is, Hillary is worse. So all the bad crap they're saying about Trump is equally damning to Hillary, because despite all that they still think Hillary is worse.

It'd be like if Creed was trying to pump themselves up by showing a bunch of people saying "Nickelback is horrible and their music is ****ty", and ignoring the fact that those same people immediately follow that with "...but Creed is even ****tier"

Trump is a bad choice because he doesn't know what he is doing. Hillary is bad because she does know what she is doing. :mrgreen:
 
I disagree completely. The ad is clearly aimed at Republicans...to remind them that even Republicans don't like Donald Cruz.

First, of course you disagree. YOU disagreeing with it is possibly the least compelling argument you could possibly put forward.

Second, if it's aimed at Republicans than as I said, it's a worthless and useless ad as it's not "devastating" in the slightest. No Republican who's already a Trump supporter is going to see that and go "you know what, I didn't realize that this whole time but NOW I do. Down with Trump!". No Republican who wasn't a Trump supporter but even mildly paid attention to things is going to be going "Wow, I wasn't sure on Trump, but seeing a 2 minute montage of all the stuff I already have seen for months, put together by Hillary Clinton, is totally going to change my mind". We're still in the midst of the primary process, so the only people likely really paying attention to such an ad are all the Republicans who were ALREADY paying attention to the primary.

It'd be like being amazed by the genius of an ad that told you water is wet. Or told you that the NFL is popular. Or told you that people like pizza.
 
generally candidates target swing voters and independents. Yes, this ad will not make a difference among people who already support Trump, but it will harm trump among swing voters and people who didn't vote trump in the primaries.

We're still in the midst of primary season. No one paying attention to this ad isn't already paying attention to the primary, so nothing in the ad is amazingly new. And as a person who doesn't support Trump and isn't a swing voter, the ad does literally zero to change or sway my view on Trump at all and if anything is actually SPURRING me to defend the guy I don't support from the idiocy people are saying about how "Devestating" it is.

You want to know why it's laughable hearing about the talk of how "devastating" it is? The vast majority of those proclaiming it as such are Democrats, or our resident "Anti-Republican", that would never vote for Trump and don't or won't have voted for a Republican President for years if ever. Yet we're supposed to believe they are a better insight as to what will impact right leaning swing voters? :roll:

Maybe, maybe not.

ok...

But the ad didn't show those parts.

It didn't, but it opens itself up for those points to be made. A "devastating" ad isn't one that is so easily refuted and so easily able to be turned back against the person who put it forward.
 
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