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"john boehner calls ted cruz lucifer in the flesh"

matchlight said:
I don't know why John Boehner's personal dislike of Ted Cruz should affect anyone's opinion about Cruz as president. I don't give two hoots in hell if Boehner likes him. It's predictable that a mealy-mouthed politician like Boehner would dislike a conservative with strong principles and convictions.
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You cannot see how the long-tenured former Speaker of The House of the party currently controlling 31 statehouses carries influence? Really?

Boehner has given the GOP establishment the 'permission slip' they needed to move to Trump. Watch, as the floodgates begin to open!

I'm confident you will be proven wrong.

You may disagree with him or his positions, but your understanding of his power & import in the matter at hand strikes me as lacking.
 
VanceMack said:
Maybe the best headline Ive seen in a while...

"Satanists are furious that Boehner compared Ted Cruz to the Dark Lord"
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:lamo

That's similar to when Ohio Rep James Traficant called Congress Critters 'whores & prostitutes', and the whores and prostitutes were unhappy they were so denigrated!
 
TurtleDude said:
that no GOP senator endorsed him says a lot to me
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Good point, though I believe I verbally overheard as I had the TV on in the background, that 5 have since moved to him recently. I suspect very few more will come, though.
 
Cardinal said:
If I see the words "establishment" or "outsider" one more time I'm going to throw up.

Remember a bunch of years ago when everyone was throwing around the phrase "politics as usual?" You couldn't read one goddamn news article without seeing "politics as usual" throw in, like, fifteen times. It was a fad like sneakers with the push pump or how radio stations played Macarena every other song. Eventually "politics as usual" died its sweet, merciful death, as "establishment" needs to now.
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Understood, and reasonable.

But in my mind there doesn't seem to be many better words to describe the subset of the GOP commonly referred to as 'the GOP establishment'.

'Elites' doesn't quite seem right, and God knows it's been way overused!
 
Chomsky said:
Understood, and reasonable.

But in my mind there doesn't seem to be many better words to describe the subset of the GOP commonly referred to as 'the GOP establishment'.

'Elites' doesn't quite seem right, and God knows it's been way overused!
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It's complete marketing horse****.
 
yankintx said:
John Boehner: Ted Cruz is 'Lucifer in the flesh' - LA Times

Looks like Ted does not have to many friends in Congress

John Boehner:

“I get along with almost everyone, but I have never worked with a more miserable son of a bitch in my life.”

I believe America has dodged a bullet, do not care what you think of Trump, I will thank him for preventing a disaster called a Cruz Pres.
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Everyone hates lying Ted the Canadian . :lamo
 
Chomsky said:
Sorry.

I should've been more clear:

"It won't be long before the floodgates open for the GOP (establishment) to run to Trump"!

Initially weeks ago, I thought Newt Gingrich was warming-up to him and he might open the way, but it never happened - at least not publicly. Now with all the events of the past week transpiring, I think the move towards him will start in earnest!
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The campaign of Donald Trump in a very loose way, reminds me of Hitler's rise to power and the 'European establishment' tried and failed to slow his momentum. Since Trump arose, he was so far out of the buttoned down norm of what has become a presidential norm, he was dismissed as a joke, a pretender. Then he started roughing people up, and onlookers said "that will kill him!" and his numbers went up. He dipped his toe in racism declaring Muslims will be banned, and his numbers went up again.

Now "the establishment' of the party has dragged out a name most recently associated with both the Democrats and his own right wing, and many hope this will slow him.

Looking back, there seems to be some kind of inevitability in this. Looking back to the birth certificate issue, he may have been setting his course even then; yes, people groaned. But, in the end "The Donald" not only got mentioned in Obama's speech to the journalists dinner, but took a direct shot while sitting in the audience. Looking back, all the furor over his stupid **** simply paved the way to wave of publicity that became his campaign. I heard on the CBC the other day that tracking names in news the first quarter of 2016, Trump leads his nearest contender Obama by a fair margin.

The Donald is a force now, he has forced the establishment to draw their line in the sand, and now he's going to dance on it. There are two themes Americans love; the lone stranger who rides in and cleans up the town, and the underdog who takes one lickin' after another and still goes the course, from Rocky to Die Hard to any action flick, The Donald is now emerging as both. The RNC is only the first 'establishment' beach head he's eyeing, he has his sights set on Hilary.
 
Chomsky said:
You cannot see how the long-tenured former Speaker of The House of the party currently controlling 31 statehouses carries influence? Really?
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Boehner was run out of the Congress on a rail. His base hated him with a passion. I'm not sure anyone cares about Boehner's opinion.
 
Socrates1 said:
Everyone hates lying Ted the Canadian . :lamo
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A lot of people like Ted Cruz. So maybe you mean "everyone who is anyone hates Ted Cruz"..
 
Cardinal said:
It's complete marketing horse****.
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No, it is perfectly logical. Those who hate the way Washington operates should absolutely focus their derision on those who have been running Washington for decades.

If you are conservative and detest what you see as the mealy mouthed, spineless decline of the Republican party then Ted Cruz is your guy.

If you are a liberal and detest the drift of the Democrats towards corporatist elitism and their cozy relationship with Wall Street then Bernie Sanders is your guy.

The really confused people are the Republicans who want to change Washington and vote for Donald Trump whose spent a career investing in the status quo and people who oppose big money corporatism in politics and vote Hillary Clinton.

An actual, meaningful contest would be between Sanders and Cruz, two diametrically opposing forces. Clinton -vs- Trump is just more of the same BS
 
jmotivator said:
Boehner was run out of the Congress on a rail. His base hated him with a passion. I'm not sure anyone cares about Boehner's opinion.
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I'm no fan of John Boehner, due to my not being a fan of the GOP.

But I believe history will show he did his best with having one of the most difficult jobs in government in recent history.

Uniting the current GOP is like herding cats!

N.B. the current nomination process. :doh
 
Chomsky said:
You cannot see how the long-tenured former Speaker of The House of the party currently controlling 31 statehouses carries influence? Really?

Boehner has given the GOP establishment the 'permission slip' they needed to move to Trump. Watch, as the floodgates begin to open!

I'm confident you will be proven wrong.

You may disagree with him or his positions, but your understanding of his power & import in the matter at hand strikes me as lacking.
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I wasn't expressing an opinion on whether Boehner's low opinion of Cruz would affect the views of some people who don't like to think. My comments were about whether his opinion should affect anyone's opinion of Cruz. The only effect they have on mine is to enhance it--if Boehner doesn't like him, Cruz must be someone with a strong backbone. Lots of influential political figures despised Sen. Joe McCarthy, too. And that was because he doggedly insisted on bringing what we now know were very alarming facts to the attention of the public. That made him a threat to their efforts either to make excuses for Soviet agents and other disloyal people working in important, sensitive federal positions, or to cover up their gross negligence in allowing them to get and keep those jobs.
 
matchlight said:
I wasn't expressing an opinion on whether Boehner's low opinion of Cruz would affect the views of some people who don't like to think. My comments were about whether his opinion should affect anyone's opinion of Cruz. The only effect they have on mine is to enhance it--if Boehner doesn't like him, Cruz must be someone with a strong backbone. Lots of influential political figures despised Sen. Joe McCarthy, too. And that was because he doggedly insisted on bringing what we now know were very alarming facts to the attention of the public. That made him a threat to their efforts either to make excuses for Soviet agents and other disloyal people working in important, sensitive federal positions, or to cover up their gross negligence in allowing them to get and keep those jobs.
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Fair enough, and I respect your opinion.

In all fairness, I too should also point-out quite a few others in this thread seem to be of like opinion to yours.

But yeah, in terms of practical political reality the sluice is being opened. The waters of political acquiescence have already risen to the very point of cataclysmic breakthrough, and John Boehner is simply the catalyst occurring at the inflection point allowing it to proceed.
 
Chomsky said:
I'm no fan of John Boehner, due to my not being a fan of the GOP.

But I believe history will show he did his best with having one of the most difficult jobs in government in recent history.

Uniting the current GOP is like herding cats!

N.B. the current nomination process. :doh
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I don't see it that way at all (shocker! :p)

The GOP was energized by what the conservative base saw as a huge government overreach in Obamacare and loose monetary policy. Boehner became the Speaker of the House due to the popular rejection of the Democrats policies in 2010, but it never should have been Boehner. He got the job because it was his turn -- much the same reason Hilary will get the nod as the DNC candidate. He was the Speaker of the old guard in an era where is base demanded change. The only reason the GOP was like herding cats for Boehner was because he refused to lead the movement that put him in the Speakership, choosing instead to literally demonize it.

He was in the wrong job at the wrong time and his troubles were exacerbated by his stupidity and timidity.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Even God thinks he's a dip**** and refuses to talk to Ted. God apparently chats with the entire family and keeps telling them to take a message to Ted. But God won't talk to Ted directly. On top of that either God is shucking and jiving everybody or Ted's family is lying to Ted.

God told Ted's father to tell Ted that Ted is the chosen one. "Ted is going to be president and lead America out of the darkness." God told Ted's wife that Ted should run for president and that Ted would win. Ted's wife saw God's face on two occasions and God's hands once, so Ted's wife has verified that it was God talking to her and asking her to deliver the message. What more can you ask - direct visual verification.

God's chattering like a magpie to the Cruz family but somebody's lying somewhere.

Meanwhile other Godly men have sworn that God led them to believe that Ted is massive pain in the ass and a human cluster****. To date it seems as if the "Ted's a massive pain in the ass and a human cluster****" group is hearing God is tell them that Ted can go to hell.


Who said God doesn't like to laugh?
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:lamo

You've got a winner in this post, Risky!

I'd like it twice, if I could!
 
jmotivator said:
I don't see it that way at all (shocker! :p)

The GOP was energized by what the conservative base saw as a huge government overreach in Obamacare and loose monetary policy. Boehner became the Speaker of the House due to the popular rejection of the Democrats policies in 2010, but it never should have been Boehner. He got the job because it was his turn -- much the same reason Hilary will get the nod as the DNC candidate. He was the Speaker of the old guard in an era where is base demanded change. The only reason the GOP was like herding cats for Boehner was because he refused to lead the movement that put him in the Speakership, choosing instead to literally demonize it.

He was in the wrong job at the wrong time and his troubles were exacerbated by his stupidity and timidity.
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Hm.

That's an interesting take I didn't consider, if I understand correctly.

So are you saying Boehner was of and continued to propagate 'the old guard', at a time when there was an inflection point occurring to shift towards more traditional conservatism as reflected by some dynamics within the T-Party?
 
jmotivator said:
Boehner was run out of the Congress on a rail. His base hated him with a passion. I'm not sure anyone cares about Boehner's opinion.
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Which is why this is so transparent. On one hand he gets to stick a knife in Trump's back and on the other he gets to talk smack against Lyin Ted.
 
yankintx said:
John Boehner: Ted Cruz is 'Lucifer in the flesh' - LA Times

Looks like Ted does not have to many friends in Congress

John Boehner:

“I get along with almost everyone, but I have never worked with a more miserable son of a bitch in my life.”

I believe America has dodged a bullet, do not care what you think of Trump, I will thank him for preventing a disaster called a Cruz Pres.
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Well, lets see. Boehner was run out of office, and Cruz still has his and millions of national votes to be President. Cruz wins for now.
 
Chomsky said:
Hm.

That's an interesting take I didn't consider, if I understand correctly.

So are you saying Boehner was of and continued to propagate 'the old guard', at a time when there was an inflection point occurring to shift towards more traditional conservatism as reflected by some dynamics within the T-Party?
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Yes, remember that the Tea Party began as a rejection of the various TARP that were the result of Bush Republicans and Pelosi Democrats, and escalated after the Obamacare passage. The Republicans gained the House and the Senate on the momentum of that movement. They put Boehner in charge of the House and he then set about ignoring the wave of new Republicans that made his position possible. He spent more time and harsh words on his fellow Republicans than he did on the Democrats.

This tone deaf stupidity is on perfect display as he calls Ted Cruz "Lucifer" for actually standing for the principles his constituents elected him to uphold.
 
clownboy said:
Which is why this is so transparent. On one hand he gets to stick a knife in Trump's back and on the other he gets to talk smack against Lyin Ted.
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And did he really not know his words weren't being recorded?
 
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