Waka Flocka Flame treated by paramedics after smoking too much marijuana

ludin said:

again no where anywhere did I say anything about overdose.
I have said that THC poisoning is on the rise.

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But the article you provided as supportive documentation reports one guy who killed his wife and had only a small amount of THC in his system. That was no THC overdose.

The second guy reported in the article did indeed consume a lot of cannabis in a short time. I'll grant you he probably did overdose. He did not die, however, from THC poisoning.

For the sake of argument I'll give you the fact that THC overdose may have caused behavior that led to his demise.

You can't be telling me that you base your argument on one article in which one person consumed a large quantity of edibles. That's not enough to convince any objective person. Based on what you have provided you have no argument.

and the CDC attributes that boy that jumped his death to pot. as he ate all the cookies not just 1.
there was like 5 of them.

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That's not the way I read it, but no matter. The point is he consumed too much in a short period of time. I would add, however, that he did not die from pot poisoning.

the article supports my statement

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Actually, it doesn't.

At least 56 people called Rocky Mountain Poison and Drug Center to complain about marijuana-related scares last year. Children's Hospital Colorado admitted at least 14 children younger than 10 for eating marijuana-infused foods last year. Seven of those kids went to the hospital's intensive care unit.

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Compared to when? What do we know about the 56 people? They called the center. That is ALL you know? How many calls required medical treatment? How many calls involved street pot? How many calls involved marijuana combined with other drugs, legal and illegal? How many calls involved first time users who were not overdosed but rather paranoid? "56 people called Rocky Mountain Poison and Drug Center to complain about marijuana-related scares" in and of itself is basically meaningless unless you have detailed information.

There were 14 children who were seen by the hospital emergency department. Of those 8 were admitted to the hospital and of those 8 who were admitted 2 were admitted to intensive care. So just for clarification 7 kids were not admitted to intensive care.

Having said that edibles are and should be a concern regarding children. Cookies, brownies, gummy bear edibles look like the normal cookies, brownies and gummy bears. Parents/adults who consume edibles need to be responsible. Packaging needs to change. One child consuming edibles is one child too many.

the only people mentioning death and overdose are people strawmaning what I said. no where have I mentioned death or overdose.

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I suspect people are responding to your mischaracterization of issues and your wont to place very loose with your information sources.

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lpast said:

I have an inlaw that has smoked weed all his life, he is 59 and he babbles like a tard, his brain is sizzled.

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That is your BIL fault not the weed, I have two degrees, retired from the Air Force, and work full time. I use the drug daily for PTSD, and have taken flac from a couple folks here for not using more traditional PTSD methods. Cannabis, like any other drug can be used irresponsibly, I have buddies who are lawyers, and one doctor friend who use Cannabis. The doctor insist that cannabis is much less harmful than alcohol, I agree.

Risky Thicket said:

But the article you provided as supportive documentation reports one guy who killed his wife and had only a small amount of THC in his system. That was no THC overdose.

The second guy reported in the article did indeed consume a lot of cannabis in a short time. I'll grant you he probably did overdose. He did not die, however, from THC poisoning.

For the sake of argument I'll give you the fact that THC overdose may have caused behavior that led to his demise.

You can't be telling me that you base your argument on one article in which one person consumed a large quantity of edibles. That's not enough to convince any objective person. Based on what you have provided you have no argument.



That's not the way I read it, but no matter. The point is he consumed too much in a short period of time. I would add, however, that he did not die from pot poisoning.



Actually, it doesn't.



Compared to when? What do we know about the 56 people? They called the center. That is ALL you know? How many calls required medical treatment? How many calls involved street pot? How many calls involved marijuana combined with other drugs, legal and illegal? How many calls involved first time users who were not overdosed but rather paranoid? "56 people called Rocky Mountain Poison and Drug Center to complain about marijuana-related scares" in and of itself is basically meaningless unless you have detailed information.

There were 14 children who were seen by the hospital emergency department. Of those 8 were admitted to the hospital and of those 8 who were admitted 2 were admitted to intensive care. So just for clarification 7 kids were not admitted to intensive care.

Having said that edibles are and should be a concern regarding children. Cookies, brownies, gummy bear edibles look like the normal cookies, brownies and gummy bears. Parents/adults who consume edibles need to be responsible. Packaging needs to change. One child consuming edibles is one child too many.



I suspect people are responding to your mischaracterization of issues and your wont to place very loose with your information sources.

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nope no mischaracterization going on at all. these are the reports coming out.
THC edibles have been a huge issue in these places and people are having to go
to the hospital and calling other poison controls to find out what to do.

this is a fact. it has nothing to do with over dose or death.
the only people mischaracterizing the issue are those that strawmanning what I said.

the article confirms what I said about THC poisoning.
that was the whole point. it included other things but I was never arguing those.

ludin said:

nope no mischaracterization going on at all. these are the reports coming out.
THC edibles have been a huge issue in these places and people are having to go
to the hospital and calling other poison controls to find out what to do.

this is a fact. it has nothing to do with over dose or death.
the only people mischaracterizing the issue are those that strawmanning what I said.

the article confirms what I said about THC poisoning.
that was the whole point. it included other things but I was never arguing those.

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What is the toxic level of THC?

How many people in CO died of "THC Poisoning"?
How many people had permanent damage from "THC Poisoning" in CO?

beefheart said:

What is the toxic level of THC?

How many people in CO died of "THC Poisoning"?
How many people had permanent damage from "THC Poisoning" in CO?

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read the article.
I never said anything about death or anything so once again your strawman is a failure.

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lpast said:

I have an inlaw that has smoked weed all his life, he is 59 and he babbles like a tard, his brain is sizzled.

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I know people who do that and have never done drugs....

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Fenton said:

Libertarians think MJ should be legalized because they believe the Govt shouldnt have the authority to tell anyone what they can or cannot put in their bodies

Problem with that is drug users aren't using their drug of choice in a vacuum, and their bad decsions not only have a impact on those closest to them but on Society in general

Why does a addicts or users right " to pickle their brain supercede my right to raise my family in a society not inundated with drugs and people under the influence ?

Liberals ? I'm begining to think the vast majority of them use

They " care " about the plight of influental inner city kids but have no problem with the actions of people like " Waka Flaka Flame ". Unfortunatley, people like this idiot qualify as role models.

Inner City schools are failing ? Its " racism " and a lack of money, not the myriad of bad influences and or the culture that marginalizes the destructive effects of MJ

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Look at you talking about hurting society. You're right there on the verge of proposing... what do you call it?... Oh... Nanny state laws to protect society from those evil pot smokers.

Hypocrisy at it's finest. :lol:

ludin said:

read the article.
I never said anything about death or anything so once again your strawman is a failure.

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You can't have THC poisoning if the substance has no toxic level. Your atttempt to demonize weed is the failure....

beefheart said:

You can't have THC poisoning if the substance has no toxic level. Your atttempt to demonize weed is the failure....

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not at all that is why people were calling the hotline and going to the hospital.
so I will go with the articles over random internet poster.

Can You Overdose On Marijuana? | New Health Guide

again experts over random internet poster.

please show where I demonized anything. I said THC poisoning calls were on the rise.
this is a fact.

not only in adults, but kids and pets.
as the article I posted showed.

so far the only thing that is a failure is your argument and the fact you can't address what I said
and have to make something up.

I don't like weed for other reasons that have been posted before.
so no need to go into them again.

ludin said:

not at all that is why people were calling the hotline and going to the hospital.
so I will go with the articles over random internet poster.

Can You Overdose On Marijuana? | New Health Guide

again experts over random internet poster.

please show where I demonized anything. I said THC poisoning calls were on the rise.
this is a fact.

not only in adults, but kids and pets.
as the article I posted showed.

so far the only thing that is a failure is your argument and the fact you can't address what I said
and have to make something up.

I don't like weed for other reasons that have been posted before.
so no need to go into them again.

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If you don't like it, don't use it. But there is no THC poisoning because its not poison.

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yankintx said:

That is your BIL fault not the weed, I have two degrees, retired from the Air Force, and work full time. I use the drug daily for PTSD, and have taken flac from a couple folks here for not using more traditional PTSD methods. Cannabis, like any other drug can be used irresponsibly, I have buddies who are lawyers, and one doctor friend who use Cannabis. The doctor insist that cannabis is much less harmful than alcohol, I agree.

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Same ole weed is better than alcohol, but all of you leave out one caveat. Use weed your stoned, millions use alcohol daily with no affect at all. If you search the net you find just as man negative articles on weed and ill effects of weed. Of course the mainstream media never prints anything bad about anything they want

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Scrabaholic said:

I know people who do that and have never done drugs....

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That doesnt make self induced dip****tedness any better

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lpast said:

Same ole weed is better than alcohol, but all of you leave out one caveat. Use weed your stoned, millions use alcohol daily with no affect at all. If you search the net you find just as man negative articles on weed and ill effects of weed. Of course the mainstream media never prints anything bad about anything they want

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That's not really true - if you drink, you're getting some kind of high from the drug alcohol.

And the statistics are pretty clear. Most people don't drink at all or drink rarely - about 75% drink less than once per week. Something like 6% of the heaviest drinkers consume half of the alcohol and 20% consume 83% of the alcohol. All of those get a high when drinking - they are binge drinkers who consume 5 or more in one session.

And I don't care how many "negative articles on weed and ill effect of weed" there are, there is simply no evidence that weed is as harmful to health or society as alcohol. The costs of alcohol abuse are pretty staggering - something like 100,000 deaths per year, $100 billion in health costs per year, far more damage to families with alcoholic members, drunk driving, beatings, etc. If you can find similar figures for weed, produce them because I've looked and never seen figures even approaching those.

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Fenton said:

Libertarians think MJ should be legalized because they believe the Govt shouldnt have the authority to tell anyone what they can or cannot put in their bodies

Problem with that is drug users aren't using their drug of choice in a vacuum, and their bad decsions not only have a impact on those closest to them but on Society in general

Why does a addicts or users right " to pickle their brain supercede my right to raise my family in a society not inundated with drugs and people under the influence ?

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So then of course alcohol should be illegal then, right?

And I'm a liberal, and 100% behind legalizing pot...and I dont smoke it nor do I care to. Never really was my thing.

beefheart said:

If you don't like it, don't use it. But there is no THC poisoning because its not poison.

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You can kill your dogs if they get into your peanut butter with Xylitol (many use it as a sweetener)...so we better ban peanut butter too! And poinsettias...that kills kids and dogs too. Quite a list of that stuff actually. We'd better ban it all, just to be 'safe.'

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JasperL said:

That's not really true - if you drink, you're getting some kind of high from the drug alcohol.

And the statistics are pretty clear. Most people don't drink at all or drink rarely - about 75% drink less than once per week. Something like 6% of the heaviest drinkers consume half of the alcohol and 20% consume 83% of the alcohol. All of those get a high when drinking - they are binge drinkers who consume 5 or more in one session.

And I don't care how many "negative articles on weed and ill effect of weed" there are, there is simply no evidence that weed is as harmful to health or society as alcohol. The costs of alcohol abuse are pretty staggering - something like 100,000 deaths per year, $100 billion in health costs per year, far more damage to families with alcoholic members, drunk driving, beatings, etc. If you can find similar figures for weed, produce them because I've looked and never seen figures even approaching those.

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Your first statement is incorrect, there are millions of people who drink alcohol with no pyschotropic affects at all.

Cell phones kill more people in vehicular accidents than alcohol. This isnt about me defending alcohol and comparing it to weed use. I just find the legalize weed movement comical and phony. Weed will be legalized.
The comical part is that the weed proponents ALWAYS use alcohol as the excuse.

They want to tell us that deep inhaling weed is better for you that cigarettes and now they are even trying to tell me that there are people that use marihuana that only take ONE TOKE and dont get high lmao.

When you smoke weed the sole purpose is to get high that is the intention of the user and its the only purpose of the drug. There is no other purpose, even if its used medicinally it gets you high. When your high your motor controls change and your heart rate and your ability to rationalize. There is much information on the proven harm marihuana does the media doesnt report it like it does when they want to imbed something in your brain and the stoners ignore it.

Most people smoke the plant's dried leaves, flowers, stems, and seeds. But marijuana can also be mixed into food (like brownies, cookies, and lollipops), brewed as a tea, or inhaled with a vaporizer.

No matter how it gets into your system, it affects almost every organ in your body, and your nervous system and immune system, too. When you smoke pot, your body absorbs THC right away. (If you eat a baked good or another item, it may take much longer for your body to absorb THC, because it has to break down in your stomach before it enters your bloodstream). You may notice changes in your body right after you smoke. The effects usually stop after 3 or 4 hours.

Smoking pot can increase your heart rate by as much as two times for up to 3 hours. That’s why some people have a heart attack right after they use marijuana. It can increase bleeding, lower blood pressure, and affect your blood sugar, too.

[SIZE=4[B]]We don’t yet know if marijuana is linked to higher odds of getting lung cancer.[/SIZE] But the process does irritate your lungs -- which is why regular pot smokers are more likely to have an ongoing cough and to have lung-related health problems like chest colds and lung infections.[/B]


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lpast said:

Your first statement is incorrect, there are millions of people who drink alcohol with no pyschotropic affects at all.

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That's impossible. :shock:

You're digging yourself a big hole with this silly line of argument. Those who rarely drink can get quite high with a single drink. Those who feel no obvious effects have just built up a tolerance over time, but to say that there is NO effect is quite literally impossible and absurd on its face. And in my experience there is a vanishingly small group of people who drink regularly but never exceed one drink - as rare as white rhinos in my world, which don't exist where I live.

Cell phones kill more people in vehicular accidents than alcohol. This isnt about me defending alcohol and comparing it to weed use. I just find the legalize weed movement comical and phony. Weed will be legalized.
The comical part is that the weed proponents ALWAYS use alcohol as the excuse.

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Cite for that - I looked it up and it's less than 4,000 for 'distracted driving' and 100,000 for drinking.

And you're the poster child for why people bring up alcohol when discussing whether or not to keep our stupid ban on pot. You're making laughable arguments to distinguish the two, and the reason you have to do that is to somehow justify criminalizing use of one drug, while allowing another drug (presumably one you and/or yours use on a regular basis) to be sold in nearly every convenience store in the country, every grocery, etc.

When you smoke weed the sole purpose is to get high that is the intention of the user and its the only purpose of the drug. There is no other purpose, even if its used medicinally it gets you high. When your high your motor controls change and your heart rate and your ability to rationalize. There is much information on the proven harm marihuana does the media doesnt report it like it does when they want to imbed something in your brain and the stoners ignore it.

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Now that we have edibles, pot users can use the same excuse that drinkers do now, which is they do it for the taste! :roll:

I drank for many years and so know that taste has quite a bit to do with the enjoyment of alcohol, but it's just laughable that there are more than a tiny sliver, a fraction of a %, who would regularly drink scotch or any other alcohol variety that had no potential for getting them high.

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JasperL said:

That's impossible. :shock:

You're digging yourself a big hole with this silly line of argument. Those who rarely drink can get quite high with a single drink. Those who feel no obvious effects have just built up a tolerance over time, but to say that there is NO effect is quite literally impossible and absurd on its face. And in my experience there is a vanishingly small group of people who drink regularly but never exceed one drink - as rare as white rhinos in my world, which don't exist where I live.



Cite for that - I looked it up and it's less than 4,000 for 'distracted driving' and 100,000 for drinking.

And you're the poster child for why people bring up alcohol when discussing whether or not to keep our stupid ban on pot. You're making laughable arguments to distinguish the two, and the reason you have to do that is to somehow justify criminalizing use of one drug, while allowing another drug (presumably one you and/or yours use on a regular basis) to be sold in nearly every convenience store in the country, every grocery, etc.



Now that we have edibles, pot users can use the same excuse that drinkers do now, which is they do it for the taste! :roll:

I drank for many years and so know that taste has quite a bit to do with the enjoyment of alcohol, but it's just laughable that there are more than a tiny sliver, a fraction of a %, who would regularly drink scotch or any other alcohol variety that had no potential for getting them high.

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The hole being dug is yours, you keep trying to twist words to make yourself right, that wont work with me. I said people drink every day and do not get impaired, theres always a few exceptions and few it is. The lionshare of people can drink One and may two some 3 without haveing any change to the pshche or mortor skills and will blow sober on any sobriety test.


And you're the poster child for why people bring up alcohol when discussing whether or not to keep our stupid ban on pot. You're making laughable arguments to distinguish the two, and the reason you have to do that is to somehow justify criminalizing use of one drug, while allowing another drug (presumably one you and/or yours use on a regular basis) to be sold in nearly every convenience store in the country, every grocery, etc.

Your just talking out of your ass and making it up as you go along. Conversations is over, have fun

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lpast said:

The hole being dug is yours, you keep trying to twist words to make yourself right, that wont work with me. I said people drink every day and do not get impaired, theres always a few exceptions and few it is. The lionshare of people can drink One and may two some 3 without haveing any change to the pshche or mortor skills and will blow sober on any sobriety test.

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That's not what you said at all - you said there was no psychotropic effects at all. It's simply false, and 1 or 2 or 3 drinks absolutely affects mood and motor skills. They'll blow "sober" on any sobriety test but that's a compromise number - it's the amount of impairment to judgment and motor skills that society deems acceptable, not that there is NONE - there just is.

Your just talking out of your ass and making it up as you go along. Conversations is over, have fun

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OK! eace

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JasperL said:

That's not what you said at all - you said there was no psychotropic effects at all. It's simply false, and 1 or 2 or 3 drinks absolutely affects mood and motor skills. They'll blow "sober" on any sobriety test but that's a compromise number - it's the amount of impairment to judgment and motor skills that society deems acceptable, not that there is NONE - there just is.



OK! eace

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Alcohol destroys much more than the body, it destroys families, and marriages. The addiction rate for alcohol is 20%, the mental addiction for cannabis hovers at the 9% mark. Make your own conclusions. I choose not to drink, its VERY unhealthy and rarely does anything good come of it, besides a headache the next day. However, I do not judge others if they partake in either substance, its a personal lifestyle choice.

We should not give up on the war on drugs, but the government must choose it's battles, and the battle against cannabis has been lost. The majority of Americans want the plant regulated, and an end to the Federal prohibition, its a shame the GOP does not see the writing on the wall, another social issue which will leave them with a few less votes come Nov.

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I'm just amazed that there's a thread here about someone called "Wacka Flocka flame"

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lpast said:

Your first statement is incorrect, there are millions of people who drink alcohol with no pyschotropic affects at all.

Cell phones kill more people in vehicular accidents than alcohol. This isnt about me defending alcohol and comparing it to weed use. I just find the legalize weed movement comical and phony. Weed will be legalized.
The comical part is that the weed proponents ALWAYS use alcohol as the excuse.

They want to tell us that deep inhaling weed is better for you that cigarettes and now they are even trying to tell me that there are people that use marihuana that only take ONE TOKE and dont get high lmao.

When you smoke weed the sole purpose is to get high that is the intention of the user and its the only purpose of the drug. There is no other purpose, even if its used medicinally it gets you high. When your high your motor controls change and your heart rate and your ability to rationalize. There is much information on the proven harm marihuana does the media doesnt report it like it does when they want to imbed something in your brain and the stoners ignore it.

Most people smoke the plant's dried leaves, flowers, stems, and seeds. But marijuana can also be mixed into food (like brownies, cookies, and lollipops), brewed as a tea, or inhaled with a vaporizer.

No matter how it gets into your system, it affects almost every organ in your body, and your nervous system and immune system, too. When you smoke pot, your body absorbs THC right away. (If you eat a baked good or another item, it may take much longer for your body to absorb THC, because it has to break down in your stomach before it enters your bloodstream). You may notice changes in your body right after you smoke. The effects usually stop after 3 or 4 hours.

Smoking pot can increase your heart rate by as much as two times for up to 3 hours. That’s why some people have a heart attack right after they use marijuana. It can increase bleeding, lower blood pressure, and affect your blood sugar, too.

[SIZE=4[B]]We don’t yet know if marijuana is linked to higher odds of getting lung cancer.[/SIZE] But the process does irritate your lungs -- which is why regular pot smokers are more likely to have an ongoing cough and to have lung-related health problems like chest colds and lung infections.[/B]


Marijuana - Marijuana Use and Effects of Marijuana

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I would want to the clinical studies confirming cannabis can increase your chance of a heart attack. The few studies which have been done are not FDA approved.

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yankintx said:

I would want to the clinical studies confirming cannabis can increase your chance of a heart attack. The few studies which have been done are not FDA approved.

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Of course their not approved and I hope your not naive enough to believe because the FDA doesnt approve it means the tests are bogus. Its politically motivated what is or isnt approved.

Common sense will tell anyone thats been around daily weed smokers. Later in life after a decade or two of smoking weed you will have a smokers cough most do not all. Deep inhaling ANY smoke cant be benign, yet the weed proponents will tell us weed does not hurt you in any shape or form. Only stoners want to believe that.

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lpast said:

Of course their not approved and I hope your not naive enough to believe because the FDA doesnt approve it means the tests are bogus. Its politically motivated what is or isnt approved.

Common sense will tell anyone thats been around daily weed smokers. Later in life after a decade or two of smoking weed you will have a smokers cough most do not all. Deep inhaling ANY smoke cant be benign, yet the weed proponents will tell us weed does not hurt you in any shape or form. Only stoners want to believe that.

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I am well versed in the history and legality of cannabis, I dare say more educated on the subject than I care to admit, I have been a member of NORML since 1990. I use it for medical reasons, PTSD, not all of us our stoners. I do not believe folks who have a 6 pack on a Sat night are drunks, so please choose your words more carefully.