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Peter King said:
I think it is much wiser to change idiotic laws that allow corporal punishment at school.
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Thankfully, most people here aren't still believe that kids need rules and discipline.
 
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Beating kids does not help them.
 
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Napoleon said:
Unfortunately the United States Postal Service does not travel back in time to deliver mail so you'll have to do without whilst I enjoy the 21st century.
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Good to know. Anyway, keep enjoying life, I'm sure it's much easier to when you make everything up as you go and never bother with reality.
 
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Absentglare said:
Beating kids does not help them.
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Kids need to learn respect for authority figures and the rules.
 
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Paleocon said:
Kids need to learn respect for authority figures and the rules.
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Beating children doesn't make them respect you. It makes them fear you and that isn't the same thing at all.
 
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Your Star said:
School officials hitting a child is the definition of child abuse.
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I can see your point, but that is just your opinion, not fact. Then the law needs to change, and parents must be held accountable if the child cannot. There has to be consequences for bad choices. People have to learn that in a civil society, the rule of law matters, and when you choose to break the law you must pay the price - the time to teach that is in school and at home while they are still children. If the school is to have their hands tied behind their back regarding children, then the parents must be held responsible for the actions of their children. If a child gets in a fight at school, either spank the child, or arrest the parents and charge them with aiding and abetting an assault on the other child by their child - your choice, but someone MUST be held accountable for breaking the law, or the rules as in school. If the kid assaults a teacher or another student, what do you think should be done? Give them a time out, or time off from school (which is what they would love)? Consequences for bad actions must be severe enough to have an effect, or we can just stop pretending that the rules matter.
 
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Beaudreaux said:
People have to learn that in a civil society, the rule of law matters, and when you choose to break the law you must pay the price - the time to teach that is in school and at home while they are still children.
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We don't go around flogging people for misbehavior in civil society. So basically you spend years teaching children that physical violence to punish people for breaking rules is the answer and then they have to transition into a society that says that in itself is a crime.
 
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Napoleon said:
We don't go around flogging people for misbehavior in civil society.
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Of course not. Do you know what flogging actually is? It would appear not, or you just intentionally made an irrelevant and unfounded comparison, like - we don't mash fingers under rocks for misbehavior in civilized society.
 
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Paleocon said:
Thankfully, most people here aren't still believe that kids need rules and discipline.
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Rules and discipline can easily be achieved without corporal punishment, there is no need to beat children to teach them rules or discipline. If anything it is the parents who often fail to have discipline by not being consistent towards their children.
 
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Paleocon said:
Kids need to learn respect for authority figures and the rules.
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Do adults need to be taught by getting hit or is this just something special for children?
 
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Paleocon said:
Kids need to learn respect for authority figures and the rules.
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And beating them would undermine their ability to respect authority and the rules.
 
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Napoleon said:
Yes, I do: to beat with or as if with a rod or whip
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Fine, you looked it up, good. I never mentioned flogging, so my previous statement regarding your mentioning of it stands.
 
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Paleocon said:
Kids need to learn respect for authority figures and the rules.
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Hitting 5 year old children does not instill respect for authority figures or the rules. And IMHO authority figures need to deserve respect, only failed authority figures need to beat 5 year old children to gain respect. And FYI I do not respect him or think he is an authority figure, he is a bully with a weapon.
 
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Beaudreaux said:
Fine, you looked it up, good. I never mentioned flogging, so my previous statement regarding your mentioning of it stands.
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I provided the definition for your benefit. Your comment doesn't stand because thats exactly what corporal punishment is.
 
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JANFU said:
?I couldn?t do anything to stop them?: Mother claims principal threatened her with jail if son wasn?t paddled | National Post

‘I couldn’t do anything to stop them’: Mother claims principal threatened her with jail if son wasn’t paddled




Read the link pls, then comment.
Thank you
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Never having undergone corporal punishment myself, I cannot be sure, but believe that it should probably not be the preferred method of discipline. But it does seem to me that the problem possibly goes deeper than corporal punishment of the child. She was out on bond?
 
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Yea..it's Georgia. I wasn't disappointed when I read the article and learned that corporal punishment is legal there.

I'm not fundamentally against corporal punishment, but no one but a parent should have the ability to administer it. If you grant teachers that ability, they can easily descend into fascism, given the highly stressful and contentious nature of their job and how, quite frankly, teachers aren't the brightest of the bunch.
 
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Hitting children because they misbehave does not teach them to respect authority. The exact opposite usually happens. Your first "real" example of authority is generally your parents. How does it logically make sense that you will learn to grow up and respect these people if they control you by hitting you? This just tells the child that in order to win fights you need to physically hurt someone. The only possible way of resolving issues is to physically hit someone, often combined with verbal abuse as well. My parents spanked me and my brother growing up. You know what it did? It caused me to have a very untrusworthy view of authority figures and to basically never listen to any of them. I guess in the end that worked to my advantage, but it wasn't what my parents were intending. Spanking times turned into funny games of running away from the parent and seeing how long you could "survive" before they caught you and hit you. The pain was very brief and it didn't teach me anything other than physically abusing someone is a good way to take advantage of people weaker and smaller than you.
 
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Violence breeds violence. When parents (or any other adult uses physical force to enforce their will on children), they teach those children that this is an appropriate way to solve problems. It's not and it never will be, nor should it be accepted as such.

If smacking/hitting were really effective, then it would be used on adults and teenagers. It's not considered acceptable to smack around and strike people that are your own size so surely it's not that difficult to understand that it is not acceptable to hit a child.
 
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Napoleon said:
Beating children doesn't make them respect you. It makes them fear you and that isn't the same thing at all.
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A healthy dose of fear of punishment for misbehavior is good. And judicious correction of a child teaches them right from wrong.

Henrin said:
Do adults need to be taught by getting hit or is this just something special for children?
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I'm not opposed to the use of corporal punishment on criminals, though in general adults do not need supervision like children fo.
 
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Why is it I find the entire story hard to believe.
 
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Paleocon said:
I'm not opposed to the use of corporal punishment on criminals, though in general adults do not need supervision like children fo.
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What does supervision have to do with anything? People can supervise their children without ever hitting them.
 
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Beaudreaux said:
Your opinion is noted, but it is just that, your opinion. Maybe if a few butts had been spanked less butts would be in jail when they grew up - that is my opinion. Hitting a child is abuse. One spank on the rump is not, and in Georgia it is a legal form of punishment, as the article stated so stating that it is abuse is not backed up by the facts in this case. Which again, makes your statement opinion, rather than fact.
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yep I agree. a swat on the butt is not abuse. if done for the right reasons in the right circumstances. just swatting a kids hand is a good thing if done for the right circumstances and right reasons. then other times you have to let them learn their own lessons. such as don't touch something.

you are correct kids today would be a lot less bratty and wimps if their parents had swatted their behind a few times.
 
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Paleocon said:
A healthy dose of fear of punishment for misbehavior is good. And judicious correction of a child teaches them right from wrong.
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You don't teach them how to discern between right and wrong, which should be the goal of any punishment. You just teach them to associate pain with certain behaviors and to inflict pain on others.
 
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ludin said:
yep I agree. a swat on the butt is not abuse. if done for the right reasons in the right circumstances. just swatting a kids hand is a good thing if done for the right circumstances and right reasons. then other times you have to let them learn their own lessons. such as don't touch something.

you are correct kids today would be a lot less bratty and wimps if their parents had swatted their behind a few times.
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What does toughness have to do with being hit as a child? Plenty of people are tough mother****ers but were never spanked or otherwise hit as a child.
 
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