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‘I couldn’t do anything to stop them’: Mother claims principal threatened her with ja

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Paleocon said:
No it isn't. The law there requires consent, which she gave.
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The law does not require consent. Here's the statute. The only way out is to provide a doctor's note exempting the child due to mental health reasons.
 
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Henrin said:
What consent? The agreement was made under duress.
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Alleged duress. Actually it's not clear if she's even alleging actual duress.

Napoleon said:
The law does not require consent. Here's the statute. The only way out is to provide a doctor's note exempting the child due to mental health reasons.
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Well that's all fine and dandy, but this district did require consent and did obtain it.
 
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If a parent does not want their child to recieve a spankig, their are ways they can get an exemption. These can be done at any time. This mother should have looked into them when her son first starting having behavioral issues not when they got so far out of hand that a paddle was brought into the equation.


IMO this mother has received some flack from her choice, and now is back peddling on how this all really happened.


Lets not loose focus that in all of this there is a child who has behavior issues and it seems both the parents and officials are running out of options for effective discipline.
 
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Nesta said:
If a parent does not want their child to recieve a spankig, their are ways they can get an exemption. These can be done at any time. This mother should have looked into them when her son first starting having behavioral issues not when they got so far out of hand that a paddle was brought into the equation.


IMO this mother has received some flack from her choice, and now is back peddling on how this all really happened.


Lets not loose focus that in all of this there is a child who has behavior issues and it seems both the parents and officials are running out of options for effective discipline.
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Really the whole thing is silly. I highly suspect that if they hadn't had to go through all the hullabaloo to use the paddle, or if it'd been used at home, there wouldn't be any substantial behavioral problems to speak of.
 
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Paleocon said:
Well that's all fine and dandy, but this district did require consent and did obtain it.
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That isn't the question. The question was do you accept that an employee/agent of the State should be allowed to strike your child at will with or without your consent?
 
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Doesn't matter if you think corporal punishment is correct or not, it's not legal.

I can understand why the mother conceded. There are children who are taken away for not allowing schools to drug their kids with ritalin. We live in a crazy country these days.

Tragic story. I hope the two admins get the full force of the law.
 
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Northern Light said:
Doesn't matter if you think corporal punishment is correct or not, it's not legal.
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Yes, it is.

Napoleon said:
That isn't the question. The question was do you accept that an employee/agent of the State should be allowed to strike your child at will with or without your consent?
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If that is the publicly established policy for public schools, then yes via implied consent. If you don't like it, don't send your kid to public schools.

I might also note, that we are at this point completely beyond the thread topic, which was a particular incident, and off in the land of hypotheticals.
 
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Paleocon said:
If that is the publicly established policy for public schools, then yes via implied consent. If you don't like it, don't send your kid to public schools.

I might also note, that we are at this point completely beyond the thread topic, which was a particular incident, and off in the land of hypotheticals.
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It isn't a hypothetical; its the law of the State of Georgia and one I hope the mother in the OP works to have struck down.
 
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Napoleon said:
It isn't a hypothetical; its the law of the State of Georgia and one I hope the mother in the OP works to have struck down.
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It's irrelevant to this case because this school required consent.

And even if the Supreme Court hadn't already ruled that schools are allowed to use corporal punishment, she still wouldn't have standing to challenge that law because she gave consent here. But please, don't let me stop your journey to lala land.
 
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Paleocon said:
It's irrelevant to this case because this school required consent.
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The school only has the authority to do this under a law that is both unconstitutional and discriminatory.

Paleocon said:
And even if the Supreme Court hadn't already ruled that schools are allowed to use corporal punishment...
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In a 5-4 decision from 1977. Its been 40 years and the Court is ripe for the liberal taking. That decision can be overturned.

Paleocon said:
...she still wouldn't have standing to challenge that law because she gave consent here.
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Under duress.

Paleocon said:
But please, don't let me stop your journey to lala land.
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Just stating the facts.
 
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Beaudreaux said:
I saw no child abuse - much less any obvious crimes.
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School officials hitting a child is the definition of child abuse.
 
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JANFU said:
?I couldn?t do anything to stop them?: Mother claims principal threatened her with jail if son wasn?t paddled | National Post

‘I couldn’t do anything to stop them’: Mother claims principal threatened her with jail if son wasn’t paddled




Read the link pls, then comment.
Thank you
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Two issues right off for me:

1. Why on earth would you BEAT/PUNISH A 5 YEAR OLD!!!!!!!! for his parents not sending him to school? Are the people in that school/state totally idiotic or immoral morons? Are they backward like people in the middle east where they at least have the pathetic excuse of culturally still living in the dark ages?

2. really? Corporal punishment is still allowed in schools? No school should have the right to beat/hit/corporal punish a child, especially not a 5 year old. If I were a parent no teacher would be allowed to touch a child of mine no matter what he/she did. Only a parent should have the right to make such a choice (even if it is the terrible choice of laying their hands on their child) but no school should have that right.
 
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Napoleon said:
The school only has the authority to do this under a law that is both unconstitutional and discriminatory.
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I see you are enjoying your trip to lala land. The law is not unconstitutional nor is it discriminatory in a constitutionally suspect manner. But as I said, don't let me stop you.

I'll never cease to be amazed by the ability of liberals to just make crap up as they go.

Your Star said:
School officials hitting a child is the definition of child abuse.
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No, it is not.
 
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Paleocon said:
Yes, it is.



If that is the publicly established policy for public schools, then yes via implied consent. If you don't like it, don't send your kid to public schools.

I might also note, that we are at this point completely beyond the thread topic, which was a particular incident, and off in the land of hypotheticals.
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I wasn't familiar with the laws of GA, you appear to be correct about the law.

However, the admins were wrong in overruling the parent. If the parent says "no you will not hit my child", then sorry, they don't get to hit her child. They may suspend the child if they wish, but their exercising of power went above and beyond what was acceptable.

Their threat was also incorrect. Suspending a child is not tantamount to truancy. Truancy is when the child is absent from school for delinquent reasons, or improper parenting. You can't claim truancy if you're barring the child from school as part of a suspension.

The mother's mistake was not standing up to these jerks and knowing her rights, but who can blame her really. Most parents blindly expect school admins to do their jobs with fairness and professionalism.
 
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Peter King said:
Two issues right off for me:

1. Why on earth would you BEAT/PUNISH A 5 YEAR OLD!!!!!!!! for his parents not sending him to school? Are the people in that school/state totally idiotic or immoral morons? Are they backward like people in the middle east where they at least have the pathetic excuse of culturally still living in the dark ages?

2. really? Corporal punishment is still allowed in schools? No school should have the right to beat/hit/corporal punish a child, especially not a 5 year old. If I were a parent no teacher would be allowed to touch a child of mine no matter what he/she did. Only a parent should have the right to make such a choice (even if it is the terrible choice of laying their hands on their child) but no school should have that right.
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Here in the American south, schools are still allowed to correct misbehaving students. Don't like it, don't send your kids to a public school.
 
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Northern Light said:
I wasn't familiar with the laws of GA, you appear to be correct about the law.

However, the admins were wrong in overruling the parent. If the parent says "no you will not hit my child", then sorry, they don't get to hit her child. They may suspend the child if they wish, but their exercising of power went above and beyond what was acceptable.

Their threat was also incorrect. Suspending a child is not tantamount to truancy. Truancy is when the child is absent from school for delinquent reasons, or improper parenting. You can't claim truancy if you're barring the child from school as part of a suspension.

The mother's mistake was not standing up to these jerks and knowing her rights, but who can blame her really. Most parents blindly expect school admins to do their jobs with fairness and professionalism.
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The mother never said not to. And it's not at all clear that she's even alleging that they made such a threat, much less that they actually did.
 
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Paleocon said:
Here in the American south, schools are still allowed to correct misbehaving students. Don't like it, don't send your kids to a public school.
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Or move to a state where archaic idiotic things like corporal punishment are not used in schools. And how was this case about a misbehaving student? Did the child have the ability to go to school if the parents did not bring him? If anyone should have been punished, it should have been the parent.
 
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Peter King said:
Or move to a state where archaic idiotic things like corporal punishment are not used in schools. And how was this case about a misbehaving student? Did the child have the ability to go to school if the parents did not bring him? If anyone should have been punished, it should have been the parent.
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I would highly encourage people who think spanking is idiotic to move elsewhere.

It's about a misbehaving student because this student engaged in some sort of misbehavior that caused him to get spanked. We don't know what that was.
 
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Paleocon said:
The law is not unconstitutional nor is it discriminatory in a constitutionally suspect manner.
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Really? What provision of the Constitution endows the State with the power to dictate and carry out beatings of the children of the citizenry?
 
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Paleocon said:
I would highly encourage people who think spanking is idiotic to move elsewhere.

It's about a misbehaving student because this student engaged in some sort of misbehavior that caused him to get spanked. We don't know what that was.
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Like I said before, I don't care if you're for or against spanking, this is about parental rights. The mother was trying to intervene and she was being threatened by administrators. They came between her and her child. That's simply wrong.

Do you think school officials should get to override a parent like this?
 
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Napoleon said:
Really? What provision of the Constitution endows the State with the power to dictate and carry out beatings of the children of the citizenry?
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In loco parentis.

Northern Light said:
Like I said before, I don't care if you're for or against spanking, this is about parental rights. The mother was trying to intervene and she was being threatened by administrators. They came between her and her child. That's simply wrong.

Do you think school officials should get to override a parent like this?
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That isn't what happened. We have video of them carrying out the spanking in front of her and her not objecting.
 
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Paleocon said:
In loco parentis.
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Which is not a concept found anywhere in the Constitution and is not generally considered to include physical abuse of children.
 
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Napoleon said:
Which is not a concept found anywhere in the Constitution.
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How much do postcards cost in lala land? Send me one if it's not too expensive.
 
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Paleocon said:
I would highly encourage people who think spanking is idiotic to move elsewhere.

It's about a misbehaving student because this student engaged in some sort of misbehavior that caused him to get spanked. We don't know what that was.
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I think it is much wiser to change idiotic laws that allow corporal punishment at school.
 
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Paleocon said:
How much do postcards cost in lala land? Send me one if it's not too expensive.
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Unfortunately the United States Postal Service does not travel back in time to deliver mail so you'll have to do without whilst I enjoy the 21st century.
 
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