US election: Bernie Sanders invited to Vatican by Pope [W:124]

Gathomas88 said:

Don't expect people to actually know what you're talking about then. :shrug:

Expecting people to jump through all kinds of crazy hoops to understand your arguments, just because you can't be arsed to source properly, is nothing less than sheer laziness.



Aaaaaannnd again, why do you think the Church opposed it?

Helping the poor is fine and all, but sidling up to Red Communists who are only going to want you "purged" in the long-run is an incredibly stupid way to do it.



And? The only difference between that and "Liberation Theology" is that Liberation Theologists basically try and pretend like the bolded section doesn't exist.

Seriously, dude. Why in the Hell do you think it's called "Liberation" theology to begin with? It's called that because it adopts the Marxist idea that the lower classes need to rise up and "liberate" themselves from the existing economic and political order. It simply happens to try to justify that position using Catholic theology, as well as Marxist scientific reasoning.

That doesn't work for a number of reasons, one of which being that the Catholic Church itself is actually a part of that "order" from which people supposedly need to "liberate" themselves.



In other words, you're being anal retentive about terminology, and missing the "forest for the trees" as such. :roll:



Yup.



It is the duty of a Christian to oppose immorality, yes.

That does not make it the Church's "mission" in the world to "create justice," however. We are not meant to be the world's police, just its conscience.

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so, be outspoken about perceived immorality
just don't be expected to act to achieve more justice
got it
just like Jesus [/s]

justabubba said:

so, be outspoken about perceived immorality
just don't be expected to act to achieve more justice
got it
just like Jesus [/s]

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And where, precisely, did Christ run around demanding social and political change to create "justice," or force government to improve the lives of the poor? The answer is exactly no where.

Christ was rather explicit that his kingdom was not of this world, but the next one. He was not Ghandi, and he was certainly not Marx. :shrug:

Now, there is such a concept as the "Church Militant," where the Church may act more directly to affect change to a certain thing if it feels the need to be pressing enough (a la the Crusades). However, I see absolutely nothing to indicate that Pope Francis necessarily adopts such a view with regard to economics. That certainly does not equate to a universal mandate to "enforce justice" on the world either.