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California authorities raid home of anti-Planned Parenthood videographer[W:251]

Re: California authorities raid home of anti-Planned Parenthood videographer

imyoda said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...home-of-anti-planned-parenthood-videographer/
California authorities raid home of anti-Planned Parenthood videographer


“Investigators with the California Department of Justice on Tuesday raided the home of David Daleiden, the anti-abortion activist behind a series of undercover videos targeting Planned Parenthood, the activist said……….

…………. A spokeswoman for California Attorney General Kamala Harris (D) said she could not comment on an ongoing investigation. But the raid confirms that California is among the states looking into possible criminal activity on the part of Daleiden and his organization, the Center for Medical Progress, which have been the center of controversy since releasing videos purporting to show that Planned Parenthood illegally sells fetal tissue for a profit……….

…………… a Houston grand jury earlier this year indicted Daleiden in connection with fake driver’s licenses he used to gain access to Planned Parenthood facilities and abortion provider conferences. ……………

…………… “David Daleiden’s lies are catching up with him,” Planned Parenthood spokeswoman Erica Sackin said in a statement. “The only people who engaged in wrongdoing are the extremists who broke multiple laws to spread lies about Planned Parenthood — and it looks like they’re finally being held accountable.”


ALSO SEE:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...330e34-2a4d-11e5-bd33-395c05608059_story.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/27/u...-gop-over-planned-parenthood-battle.html?_r=0
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...lanned-parenthood-videos-faces-felony-charge/
https://www.facebook.com/centerformedicalprogress

It seems I recall another zealot with a camera who doctored up his film work to make it seem Planned Parenthood and others were up to no good……

He went to jail............

Is this a repeat of the same crap?
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So do you support the gov't using it's authority to silence voices of dissent??
 
Re: California authorities raid home of anti-Planned Parenthood videographer

jmotivator said:
Editing video isn't a crime, and if fake IDs is a crime worthy of a police raid then every home with a teenager or illegal alien is due for a police raid.

I mean, I wonder how many people here applauding the police state tactics here ever had a fake ID when they were a kid and whether a they support a police raid on the home of teenagers who were caught trying to get into a bar?
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Editing a video to falsely portray the actions of others and make it public? That's not a crime? I guess we'll find out. If not there are also civil charges that can be pursued. Falsely harming people and businesses can definitely be offenses.

You are being dishonest claiming this is a random investigation into a fake ID....I guess your argument doesnt have much of a factual foundation to it.
 
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smb said:
Happens all the time dude.
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All the time? Do we have news stories of underaged kids having their homes raided because they used a fake ID? Or are we just saying things?
 
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Lursa said:
Do most people with fake IDs falsify videos in order to incriminate organizations that provide services they dont agree with?
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that wasn't part of the justification. It was stated as

"Using fake drivers licenses is considered criminal.
Taking a ex classmates name and making a fake license in her name.
They took computers and hard drives perhaps to find if there are anymore identity thefts he used."

Does that say anything about videos? No it doesn't. This is where reading what one is responding to so you can reply in context comes in handy.
 
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lol, the peoples republic strikes again.
 
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Lursa said:
Editing a video to falsely portray the actions of others and make it public? That's not a crime?
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No, not in and of itself. It would depend what you do with that. Propaganda goes around all the time, misinformation and distortions. These are not illegal in and of themselves. If you try to present it in a court of law, perhaps you'll run afoul. If you try to use it in a lawsuit, perhaps there will be legal fallout from it. But just making a misleading video or an edited video and putting it online may not be enough for slander/libel and if not that, and it's not being used for other purposes, there may be nothing illegal about it.

It may be a civil matter, but it doesn't have to be a legal one.
 
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OpportunityCost said:
The only thing I would say in response is that PP is not transparent. If they receive federal funding they should be. It would be my hope that discovery be completely published on both sides and let the court make a decision, I have a feeling both parties will come out of this case disappointed, to some extent.
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What is it about PP that you find secretive? They are 501c3 organization that posts all their financials on line. Their leadership, corporate office addresses, their mission, their activities are all posted publicly or available free to public. What about PP is not transparent?
 
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And AG Harris has a conflict of interest. She is running for the Senate, and look at this petition: Add Your Name to Defend Planned Parenthood
 
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faithful_servant said:
So do you support the gov't using it's authority to silence voices of dissent??
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If that dissent involves breaking the law, you can't really be surprised when handcuffs rather than of a pot of gold awaits you at the end of that particular rainbow.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
It's the same MO that liberals uses. :shrug: They're trying their best to minimize what Hillary has done for example. But that's neither here nor there and most definitely not a part of this thread. I was just using it as an example.

I do however find it interesting that a TEXAS grand jury declined to indict PP for any criminal misconduct. Considering that state is HUGELY anti-abortion that imo is saying quite a bit about these claims against PP. It's also obvious to me that Daleiden & Co did break some laws in order to do what they did. The government, or any government for that matter, has never liked people using fake ID's and filling out federal forms with lies. I've never known any government official to not go after people that do that. Of course I don't know everything so for all I know there are some cases where they haven't done so. :shrug:
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Big difference on the Hillary issue. There has been no indictment, no completed investigation, no grand jury etc. etc. The only thing there is on Hillary is allegations, an open ongoing investigation and a whole lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth. I don't know any liberal that has stated that if the completed investigation of Hillary ends up with an indictment then we will deal with that when the investigation reveals wrongdoing. What is happening now is bunch gossip grannies at knitting circle talking about so and so.
 
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Ikari said:
that wasn't part of the justification. It was stated as

"Using fake drivers licenses is considered criminal.
Taking a ex classmates name and making a fake license in her name.
They took computers and hard drives perhaps to find if there are anymore identity thefts he used."

Does that say anything about videos? No it doesn't. This is where reading what one is responding to so you can reply in context comes in handy.
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Since identity theft has already been established, further investigation into other possible identity thefts is warranted.
 
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danarhea said:
Since identity theft has already been established, further investigation into other possible identity thefts is warranted.
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OK, that's fine. But you'll notice that's also not in the initial justification that I had responded to. The only thing stated there was the use of fake drivers licenses. Which is illegal, but rarely a cause to raid one's home.
 
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nota bene said:
And AG Harris has a conflict of interest. She is running for the Senate, and look at this petition: Add Your Name to Defend Planned Parenthood
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"Conflict of interest" traditionally applies to areas of pecuniary gain. If conflict of interest applied to personal opinion, I'm pretty sure only dogs and cats could serve in government positions.
 
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Hasn't Harris accepted campaign contributions from Planned Parenthood?
 
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nota bene said:
Hasn't Harris accepted campaign contributions from Planned Parenthood?
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I don't know, actually. Has she?
 
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Ikari said:
All the time? Do we have news stories of underaged kids having their homes raided because they used a fake ID? Or are we just saying things?
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These were not underaged kids.
They were adults using fake IDs.
 
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minnie616 said:
These were not underaged kids.
They were adults using fake IDs.
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Using fake IDs, in and of itself, generally does not trigger raids. It doesn't matter if it's an underaged kid or an adult, using a fake ID is using a fake ID.

Others in the thread have completed the argument and demonstrated why, in this case, a raid resulted.
 
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Ikari said:
Using fake IDs, in and of itself, generally does not trigger raids.
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Feeling a bit like Leonard Shelby right now. Didn't smb just provide instances of such raids, and didn't you immediately reply with "Fair enough"?
 
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Re: California authorities raid home of anti-Planned Parenthood videographer

Ikari said:
OK, that's fine. But you'll notice that's also not in the initial justification that I had responded to. The only thing stated there was the use of fake drivers licenses. Which is illegal, but rarely a cause to raid one's home.
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I mistakenly thought it was already established in the number of OP links that identity theft was established and they were looking for more evidence.
 
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This is raid on an opinion.

Undercover journalism is not acceptable or condoned in California regardless of what you are doing. You have the three or four established news outlets, and that is all you are allowed to report to.

Kamelia Harris is running for governor. She's anti death penalty, pro abortion, and pro everything else I can think of except borders, guns, voter ID, and citizenship.
 
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