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California authorities raid home of anti-Planned Parenthood videographer[W:251]

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smb said:
This has been the MO for conservative groups through the ages. They are strict law and order types when it comes to things and people that promote change. When it comes to people they politically agree with using illegal tactics to further their political agenda they minimize it, whine about it being political persecution, or just outright justify it as being a greater good.
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It's the same MO that liberals uses. :shrug: They're trying their best to minimize what Hillary has done for example. But that's neither here nor there and most definitely not a part of this thread. I was just using it as an example.

I do however find it interesting that a TEXAS grand jury declined to indict PP for any criminal misconduct. Considering that state is HUGELY anti-abortion that imo is saying quite a bit about these claims against PP. It's also obvious to me that Daleiden & Co did break some laws in order to do what they did. The government, or any government for that matter, has never liked people using fake ID's and filling out federal forms with lies. I've never known any government official to not go after people that do that. Of course I don't know everything so for all I know there are some cases where they haven't done so. :shrug:
 
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OpportunityCost said:
The only thing I would say in response is that PP is not transparent. If they receive federal funding they should be. It would be my hope that discovery be completely published on both sides and let the court make a decision, I have a feeling both parties will come out of this case disappointed, to some extent.
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They're quite transparent about all the money that they receive and how it is distributed. That is part of the deal with having a non-profit status. They have to account for every penny to the government. If they don't then the government can pull their non-profit status.
 
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Ikari said:
Yeah, I don't see people with fake IDs getting their homes raided all the time.
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Do most people with fake IDs falsify videos in order to incriminate organizations that provide services they dont agree with?
 
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Anthony60 said:
Big Brother protecting it's own. Only in the liberal mind is the sickening behavior of PP defended, and the person who uncovered it is painted as the enemy of the State.
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Yes, preserving, preparing, and providing what otherwise would be medical waste for research to potentially save lives in the future is just despicable! /sarcasm
 
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OpportunityCost said:
So the charge is tampering with a federal record, regarding I suppose the consent form that is required. Considering no abortion occurred, I don't think that has any teeth. I'm more concerned with the timing of Harris conducting a raid for that while the target of said raid is in court with one of her money donors. Reeks of politically motivated prosecution.

Again, cui bono?
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Tampering with government records is a felony. In addition, one of them was indicted for attempting to purchase fetal tissue. One thing DID come out of their attempted hit job against Planned Parenthood. From the Link imyoda provided...........

Officials in 11 other states have concluded investigations into claims that Planned Parenthood profited from fetal tissue donation, and each one has cleared Planned Parenthood of wrongdoing.
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Planned Parenthood was cleared in Texas too.

These so-called religious whack jobs are hell bent to bring down Planned Parenthood by any means possible, As Karl Marx put it, the end justifies the means. But they seemed to have violated God's law as well as man's law in the process:

The Ninth Commandment said:
Thou shalt not bear false witness against they neighbor.
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OpportunityCost said:
No ones eyebrows went up when a court case is in Federal court and Harris "suddenly" raids the defendant 3 days later on a supposedly unrelated case? Especially in light of the donation by PP to Harris?
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It should, of course, raise everyone's eyebrows. The problem is that the supporters of Democrats and Planned Parenthood have no problem with a police state enforcing what they want. See above where Phys251 applauds the raid while having no clue why the raid was conducted. He's really only interested in the punishment.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
It's the same MO that liberals uses. :shrug: They're trying their best to minimize what Hillary has done for example. But that's neither here nor there and most definitely not a part of this thread. I was just using it as an example.

I do however find it interesting that a TEXAS grand jury declined to indict PP for any criminal misconduct. Considering that state is HUGELY anti-abortion that imo is saying quite a bit about these claims against PP. It's also obvious to me that Daleiden & Co did break some laws in order to do what they did. The government, or any government for that matter, has never liked people using fake ID's and filling out federal forms with lies. I've never known any government official to not go after people that do that. Of course I don't know everything so for all I know there are some cases where they haven't done so. :shrug:
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Well, when the person with the fake ID is an illegal alien the federal, state and local government looks the other way.
 
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Lursa said:
Do most people with fake IDs falsify videos in order to incriminate organizations that provide services they dont agree with?
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Editing video isn't a crime, and if fake IDs is a crime worthy of a police raid then every home with a teenager or illegal alien is due for a police raid.

I mean, I wonder how many people here applauding the police state tactics here ever had a fake ID when they were a kid and whether a they support a police raid on the home of teenagers who were caught trying to get into a bar?
 
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jmotivator said:
Editing video isn't a crime, and if fake IDs is a crime worthy of a police raid then every home with a teenager or illegal alien is due for a police raid.

I mean, I wonder how many people here applauding the police state tactics here ever had a fake ID when they were a kid and whether a they support a police raid on the home of teenagers who were caught trying to get into a bar?
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I had a fake ID after NJ raised the drinking age to 19 the year I turned 18. I also made some much needed money as a recent college graduate, selling my ID. I'm sure as hell glad nobody raided my house as a result of that.

I'm not sure I remember such concern on this board about the fake ID issue. I don't care one way or another about the video maker or the charges or whatever but the exuberance in this thread strikes me as odd. We have internet pedophiles filming and downloading child porn 24 hours a day. I worry more about my kids being victims of that than some anti-abortion person trying to trap Planned Parenthood.
 
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jmotivator said:
Editing video isn't a crime, and if fake IDs is a crime worthy of a police raid then every home with a teenager or illegal alien is due for a police raid.

I mean, I wonder how many people here applauding the police state tactics here ever had a fake ID when they were a kid and whether a they support a police raid on the home of teenagers who were caught trying to get into a bar?
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I also mentioned one of the fake IDs was in Deleden's old High School classmates name whom had not given him permission to use her name.( Brianna Allen )

Last it heard young someone else's identity is considered identy theft.
 
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jmotivator said:
Well, when the person with the fake ID is an illegal alien the federal, state and local government looks the other way.
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That's true.
 
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minnie616 said:
I also mentioned one of the fake IDs was in Deleden's old High School classmates name whom had not given him permission to use her name.( Brianna Allen )

Last it heard young someone else's identity is considered identy theft.
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Should read Last I heard , using someone else's identity. ( dern autocorrect )
 
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minnie616 said:
I also mentioned one of the fake IDs was in Deleden's old High School classmates name whom had not given him permission to use her name.( Brianna Allen )

Last it heard young someone else's identity is considered identy theft.
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If he used the person's social security number, address or medical records then there would be a case.

If using an alias was a crime then we'll need to raid even more homes... especially within the illegal immigrant community.
 
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OpportunityCost said:
As for alleging criminal conduct in the civil proceeding, that won't fly very far without criminal proceedings. Which is probably what Harris is doing by conducting the raids. I foresee lots of motions to suppress and all kinds of hidden discovery from this trial. If Daleiden really believes what he's alleging, he will go to jail to have discovery on criminal activity in PP. If they are selling organs, there is no way around it, its criminal activity.
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Please define "selling" in what you mean here:

1. If you mean donated tissue and charging a fee for post abortion collection, inventory, storage, and transportation without "profit". Then no that is not criminal activity as federal law provides just such fee charging.

2. If you mean donated tissue and charging fees in excess of costs associated post abortion collection, inventory, storage, and transportation with "profit". Then yes that is criminal activity as it would be a violation of federal law.​


I believe it's around a dozen states that have investigated Planned Parenthood and found no criminal activity. The only state were the investigation resulted in criminal charges (at this point) was Texas and the was against CMP.


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WorldWatcher said:
Please define "selling" in what you mean here:

1. If you mean donated tissue and charging a fee for post abortion collection, inventory, storage, and transportation without "profit". Then no that is not criminal activity as federal law provides just such fee charging.

2. If you mean donated tissue and charging fees in excess of costs associated post abortion collection, inventory, storage, and transportation with "profit". Then yes that is criminal activity as it would be a violation of federal law.​


I believe it's around a dozen states that have investigated Planned Parenthood and found no criminal activity. The only state were the investigation resulted in criminal charges (at this point) was Texas and the was against CMP.


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Considering that's what the tapes were about, I am referring to the second one. Its a big IF, but that is where I believe the defense will attempt to steer the case, if there is any evidence at all.
 
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OpportunityCost said:
Considering that's what the tapes were about, I am referring to the second one. Its a big IF, but that is where I believe the defense will attempt to steer the case, if there is any evidence at all.
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IF there is any evidence at all - So you sort of agree that all of those Republican legislators are totally incompetent as to finding evidence of criminal activity on the part of Planned Parenthood. Seems like those clowns should be voted out of office if they can't do their job - a job which some seem to think is eliminating healthcare for millions of Americans
 
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Somerville said:
IF there is any evidence at all - So you sort of agree that all of those Republican legislators are totally incompetent as to finding evidence of criminal activity on the part of Planned Parenthood. Seems like those clowns should be voted out of office if they can't do their job - a job which some seem to think is eliminating healthcare for millions of Americans
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That's part of what a trial is about. Ignoring the ACA derail attempt, you didn't think I'd bite on that did you? But take the cheap shot, its low hanging fruit.
 
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notquiteright said:
Except the 'person' uncovered nothing...
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Perfect example. Not a damn thing wrong with slicing up babies and selling their parts. Nice world you live in. Thank you.
 
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Lursa said:
Yes, preserving, preparing, and providing what otherwise would be medical waste for research to potentially save lives in the future is just despicable! /sarcasm
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Yeah, that's all it is. Other words that come to mind are... chilling, uncaring, monstrous, inhumane, heartless, cold.
 
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OpportunityCost said:
Considering that's what the tapes were about, I am referring to the second one. Its a big IF, but that is where I believe the defense will attempt to steer the case, if there is any evidence at all.
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The GOP did investigate last fall if Planned Parenthood made any profits from the the tissue donations and they could find no wrongdoing.

From the following October 2015 article titled:

GOP Congressmen Admit: No Evidence Planned Parenthood Broke the Law

“Did I look at the finances and have a hearing specifically as to the revenue portion and how they spend? Yes. Was there any wrongdoing? I didn’t find any,” Chaffetz said.

Asked whether he knows of any evidence that Planned Parenthood broke the law in any way, Chaffetz cited none.
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https://rewire.news/article/2015/10/09/gop-congressmen-admit-evidence-planned-parenthood-broke-law/
 
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minnie616 said:
The GOP did investigate last fall if Planned Parenthood made any profits from the the tissue donations and they could find no wrongdoing.



https://rewire.news/article/2015/10/09/gop-congressmen-admit-evidence-planned-parenthood-broke-law/
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Then there won't be anything to find in the trial. What makes me question that is item 124 in the brief by PP lawyers. They want to suppress all recordings, in part and in full forever. There is a difference between fraudulently obtained and fraudulent in fact.
 
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OpportunityCost said:
Considering that's what the tapes were about, I am referring to the second one. Its a big IF, but that is where I believe the defense will attempt to steer the case, if there is any evidence at all.
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If it's #2 fair enough, but that is not illegal activity.

BTW - The defense can try to make it about PP, but you can bet the court will put a stop to that **** real quick as PP legal actions are not the subject of the criminal case. The cases are about fraud, you can bet the court will not authorize search warrants for "fishing expeditions" on activities not related to the actions of CMP.



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OpportunityCost said:
Then there won't be anything to find in the trial. What makes me question that is item 124 in the brief by PP lawyers. They want to suppress all recordings, in part and in full forever. There is a difference between fraudulently obtained and fraudulent in fact.
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I did not read part 124 that way.


From part 124
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124. The expert analyst reached the following conclusion:
tisimpossibletocharacterizetheextenttowhich CMP’s undisclosed edits and
cuts distort the meaning of the encounters the videos purport to document.
However,the manipulation of the videos does mean they have no evidentiary value in a legal context and cannot be relied upon for any official inquiries unless supplemented by CMPs original material and forensic authenticated that this materials supplied in unaltered form . The videos also lack credibility as journalistic products.
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Anthony60 said:
Yeah, that's all it is. Other words that come to mind are... chilling, uncaring, monstrous, inhumane, heartless, cold.
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How? These are late term abortions...that means either the mother's health was at risk or it was a severely defective fetus. It was already being aborted....so drop the emotional rhetoric and tell me exactly what is so.......<insert your drama from above> about it? Please clarify it now that you have a hold of yourself (I hope).
 
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