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Trump reveals how he would force Mexico to pay for border wall

Yes because Trump aint gonna win. But the problem here is attitude. He loves to threaten to sue people. He has sued people, over minor idiotic things and he has lost. This attitude is a problem if you happen to command the biggest military and economy on the planet.... Trump could not do much about Scotland not wanting his golf courses.. as a private citizen, but he could enact revenge in other ways when President. Trump is a man who holds grudges and plays dirty. We know this from his hole business careerer where he has been a slum lord to a bankruptcy skater. To put it blunt.. Trump is a typical school house bully, that happens to have nukes and special forces at his command if he becomes president.

And it does not even address the fact that building a wall will fail.. it will cost almost more to maintain than freaking build. Where the wall has been built it has actually caused massive problems for locals, as this wall will have to be built a considerable way inside the US border to be legal.. unless Trump wants to break those laws as well. Or even better, he might just invade Mexico and build it there!...

Trump would be on the edge of impeachment, just by being elected and I'm fairly certain that both parties would united to find a way to boot him out.
A Trump presidency is not a likely scenario.

What he could/would is immaterial to me.
His policies are dumb and he wouldn't last long trying to do them.
 
Part of the Patriot Act (and its subsequent versions) allows for oversight of the US banking system, which extends globally through anyone with whom we do business. It's designed to help us counter money laundering and terror support.

Thank you.
 
Trump would be on the edge of impeachment, just by being elected and I'm fairly certain that both parties would united to find a way to boot him out.
A Trump presidency is not a likely scenario.

What he could/would is immaterial to me.
His policies are dumb and he wouldn't last long trying to do them.

Sadly that is what they said of the last few populist politicians to get power... Orban in Hungray, Putin in Russia, Hitler in Germany... you get the idea.
 
who would turn down a free fence? if I had property on the border, I would be for it.

When the government tried this on a 300 mile stretch of border in 2007, dozens of landowners and municipalities in Texas objected. Keep in mind that many private citizens with border property have strong Mexican ties. If you're interested here's a 2008 Washington Post article on the subject:

Border Fence Would Slice Through Private Land


Upshot really is that on top of everything else any attempt to build a wall is going to run into eminent domain issues.
 
It would collapse the US economy... the US credibility would take a massive hit and funds would flow out to avoid similar consequence for other places Trump hates... lets start a list.

UK due to Scotland pissing him off
China cause you know
Most of the Middle East...
Most of Europe cause we hate him

A little weak coming from Denmark, who is connected by the hips to Russian gas. Not that I supported the confiscation of Russian assets, either, but none of ya'll cared about that. In other words, what you said is all hot air.
 
When the government tried this on a 300 mile stretch of border in 2007, dozens of landowners and municipalities in Texas objected. Keep in mind that many private citizens with border property have strong Mexican ties. If you're interested here's a 2008 Washington Post article on the subject:

Border Fence Would Slice Through Private Land


Upshot really is that on top of everything else any attempt to build a wall is going to run into eminent domain issues.

And it did not do much.. other than line the bank accounts of Bush supporters who were tasked to build it.. I saw an interview of a farmer who has this fence going through his property and he was asked.. does it work? He just laughed and said of course not.
 
Economic trade war HG. Lots of materials from around the world flow to and from Mexico across our border. Let's just say Trump get's his way and Mexico stops all traffic at the border. That would be very bad.

More like a drop in the bucket. If Russian sanctions only caused moderate economic backlash then Mexican sanctions wouldn't really amount to much at all.
 
A little weak coming from Denmark, who is connected by the hips to Russian gas. Not that I supported the confiscation of Russian assets, either, but none of ya'll cared about that. In other words, what you said is all hot air.

Errr Denmark gets almost no gas from Russia. We have our own supplies in the North Sea or buy from the Norwegians.
 
The other huge problem with this idiotic idea is that only about a third - maybe 40% - of the land where a wall would be erected is actually Federal. The rest is either state land or in private hands. That's a lot of land to subject to eminent domain.

Trumpie loves him some Eminent Domain
 
Another thread about Trump saying he's going to do something that in reality all he is doing is blowing nothing but hot air.

As time goes by Donald Trump, who sees himself as Mr. anti-establishment, and Mr. I'm not a politician sounds and acts more and more like an establishment politician.
 
If the US economy collapsed or took a beating because of the stupid policy of its commander in chief, then yes the world would suffer. And Mexico is not the issue, the issue is unilaterally withholding the private funds of forigen citizens... we are talking about 2 billion dollars a month. What is to stop Trump from pulling this card against other nations that dont want to bow down and kiss his small penis?

But it's OK for Obama to do it, right?
 
Errr Denmark gets almost no gas from Russia. We have our own supplies in the North Sea or buy from the Norwegians.

EU dependent on Russian gas for ‘foreseeable future’, warns IEA – EurActiv.com

The European Union will remain dependent on Russian pipeline gas imports for the “foreseeable future”, the International Energy Agency (IEA) has warned.

As domestic fossil fuel production continues to decline fast, especially in Denmark and the Netherlands, gas imports are expected to increase between 2020 and 2030, according to the IEA’s 2014 review of EU energy policy.
 
Yes, he has done it to Russia.

No...he has with large parts of the world put sanctions on Russia. These sanctions does include freezing the funds of certain regime personas, but not the whole freaking population. Nor has he seized the funds of Russians that are trying to send them "home" or elsewhere.
 
No...he has with large parts of the world put sanctions on Russia. These sanctions does include freezing the funds of certain regime personas, but not the whole freaking population. Nor has he seized the funds of Russians that are trying to send them "home" or elsewhere.

It makes no difference whether you have the agreement of other countries or not. Seizing another countries assets has been done. If it can be done for one, it can be done for another. The sad part is that it's possible to not only secure the boarder without it costing any money but it can be done at a savings.
 
It makes no difference whether you have the agreement of other countries or not. Seizing another countries assets has been done. If it can be done for one, it can be done for another. The sad part is that it's possible to not only secure the boarder without it costing any money but it can be done at a savings.

You still dont get it.. there is a huge difference between seizing the assets of a country and that of that countries citizens. Not even Iranian citizens had their assets seized after the revolution.. the state of Iran had its seized along with some high level people, but not all the citizens.

What Trump wants to do, is seize the assets of civilians of another country..... he did not even go after Mexican government assets or Mexican companies in the US, no he went after the Mexican citizen migrants funds... I can not remember any country doing that... maybe during WW2, and even then any seized assets of private persons were returned.

You do realize that the 4th richest man on the planet is Mexican, and he as considerable assets and funds in the US right? His money wont be touched.. odd no?
 
It makes no difference whether you have the agreement of other countries or not. Seizing another countries assets has been done. If it can be done for one, it can be done for another. The sad part is that it's possible to not only secure the boarder without it costing any money but it can be done at a savings.

Which, in this case, would lead to complete chaos. Just imagine millions of people would stop working all at once to boycott this Trump nonsense. It could happen.
 
The US gives about $750 million in foreign aid to Mexico every year. Holding that back would pay for the wall in 3 to 5 years. Permanently holding it back would cover the cost of the troops on the border.
 
I don't know if it isn't legal, but it's not smart.
It could spur an even greater migration wave.

I'm not sure where to begin with this crazy proposal by the Donald.

First off, if the money Mexican aliens are sending back to their families in Mexico is having such a huge economic impact on the Mexican economy, how does Donald Trump stand to force Mexico to pay for the wall if their economy is decimated by taking funds out of circulation by force? Only a mad man would think this pressure tactic could work.

Second, if the #1 reason Mexicans are fleeing Mexico is to find work that affords them a better living standard than they could get in Mexico, wouldn't that further compel Mexican citizens to leave Mexico?

Third, the provision Trump quotes in his memo (Section 326 of the USA Patriot Act) would only come into force IF the bank (financial institution) client (account holder) is on the known or suspect terrorist watch list. And since all you'd have here are a bunch of illegal aliens starting bank accounts to use whereby they'd transfer funds back home to their families in Mexico, I'd say no financial institution would execute this provision without cause.

Fourth, these illegal aliens may not be U.S. citizens but they're still afforded basic civil and privacy rights under the law. So, unless Trump plans to make an Executive Order whereby every illegal alien is deemed a terrorist, he'd be violating their civil rights.

Fifth, per subparagraph 1 of his memo, Donald Trump would first have to get Congress to amend the USA Patriot Act before any of his proposal could ever come into effect. Somehow, I doubt that would happen.

Sixth, by "squeezing" Mexico using tarriffs or attempting to "freeze" private accounts (wire transfers, etc.), Donald Trump would simply be making an enemy of Mexico rather than retaining them as an ally.

Seventh, the solution to this problem isn't hitting Mexico economically. It's IMMIGRATION REFORM!
 
It makes no difference whether you have the agreement of other countries or not. Seizing another countries assets has been done. If it can be done for one, it can be done for another. The sad part is that it's possible to not only secure the boarder without it costing any money but it can be done at a savings.

In some cases shooting someone is legal self-defense. In others it's murder. It all depends on the details. Freezing the assets of working people in this case is probably illegal and even if it isn't it is unethical and immoral.
 
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