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The ‘tampon tax’ fight has reached D.C

roguenuke said:
Lets go without toothpaste for a month and tampons/pads for a month and see which causes more issues. (Toilet paper should be tax exempt too since that too would be a necessity, at least for our current culture until we learn to use the frickin three seashells.)
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Like it or not, sanitary pads & tampons are a modern cultural thing, too.

Are you saying you wouldn't clean up yourself? Seriously? Eeeewwww.
 
tres borrachos said:
What's the thinking in taxing food and water for that matter? We don't want people eating or drinking? Taxes are just nuts all around. These kinds of threads drive it home for me.
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Actually, these bills are being proposed in states that specifically exempt food and water (and other things) from being taxed. This isn't really something people are just saying should be an exemption and nothing else. They are saying that due to the nature of other exemptions their states already make, this (along with in many cases diapers) should be exempt as well since it is a necessity.
 
roguenuke said:
Actually, these bills are being proposed in states that specifically exempt food and water (and other things) from being taxed. This isn't really something people are just saying should be an exemption and nothing else. They are saying that due to the nature of other exemptions their states already make, this (along with in many cases diapers) should be exempt as well since it is a necessity.
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Actually, I don't care. I wasn't saying something should be tax exempt or not. I was giving more examples to XFactor to affirm the validity of his post.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Not being a dick but hygiene products are affordable, with the tax, there's no good reason to not tax them.
Get rid of all the exempt categories and be done with it.
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sales tax varies state by state. I don't see how the federal government can do anything about it.
states get to set their own tax laws.
 
radcen said:
Like it or not, sanitary pads & tampons are a modern cultural thing, too.

Are you saying you wouldn't clean up yourself? Seriously? Eeeewwww.
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You do realize that it continues to flow for up to 5-7 days right? In order to not get blood and tissue everywhere, a woman would have to stay in the house for that whole time so that she didn't get it everywhere. That is the purpose of pads and tampons, to absorb the blood and tissue our bodies naturally dispel so that it does not end up wherever we sit or go, possibly even on the floor if the flow is heavy enough. There is no way to continuously clean up after that every single time blood and tissue is expelled from our bodies for up to a week.
 
tres borrachos said:
Actually, I don't care. I wasn't saying something should be tax exempt or not. I was giving more examples to XFactor to affirm the validity of his post.
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Except it isn't valid since different states have different tax rules and these exemptions are only being requested in states that already exempt those things you mentioned.
 
roguenuke said:
Except it isn't valid since different states have different tax rules and these exemptions are only being requested in states that already exempt those things you mentioned.
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Will you please stop quoting me and going off topic? This isn't about state tax rules and pending legislation on removing tax on food and water. As a moderator I would think you know that.
 
roguenuke said:
Actually, these bills are being proposed in states that specifically exempt food and water (and other things) from being taxed. This isn't really something people are just saying should be an exemption and nothing else. They are saying that due to the nature of other exemptions their states already make, this (along with in many cases diapers) should be exempt as well since it is a necessity.
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those are states like FL and TX that have no income tax and only a sales tax.
they exempt certain things like food etc as necessity items.

their logic is flawed. hygiene products do not fall into that exception area.
 
Samhain said:
It's the same logic that started the "birth control costs $3,000 a year" line. It's not reality, but it helps sell your argument.

Exempt? Clearly they should be free!
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Please show where anyone made any argument that tampons or other feminine sanitary products should be "free". This is about tax exemption, not getting something for free.
 
roguenuke said:
How is a razor anything like a tampon or pad? If my husband doesn't shave a day or two or even a whole year, it won't cause any sanitation issues, but if we don't have a pad or tampon on during our period, we cause sanitation issues wherever we go during that time.
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Men shave, though, which was the point. An unavoidable fact of life - many guys must shave per requirements of military (etc).

And there are other options to disposable fem care products. Things like the Diva Cup and reusable pads that you wash out. Believe it or not, many women do opt for these alternatives.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
No I'm saying on a state/local level.
Just dump the exempt tax status on it all.

One rate, all things, case closed, no more complaining.
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that would cause issues and put a heavy burden on middle income and poor people.
that is the reason they are exempt in the first place.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Men shave, though, which was the point. An unavoidable fact of life - many guys must shave per requirements of military (etc).

And there are other options to disposable fem care products. Things like the Diva Cup and reusable pads that you wash out. Believe it or not, many women do opt for these alternatives.
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Most military men buy their razors in the commissary or post exchange, which are tax free to begin with. And those things would still be things that should be tax free as well since they would still fall under the auspice of "feminine hygiene product" like those being discussed.
 
roguenuke said:
You do realize that it continues to flow for up to 5-7 days right? In order to not get blood and tissue everywhere, a woman would have to stay in the house for that whole time so that she didn't get it everywhere. That is the purpose of pads and tampons, to absorb the blood and tissue our bodies naturally dispel so that it does not end up wherever we sit or go, possibly even on the floor if the flow is heavy enough. There is no way to continuously clean up after that every single time blood and tissue is expelled from our bodies for up to a week.
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It's a natural bodily function that people dealt successfully with for eons. Modern innovations have made it easier and more convenient to deal with, is all. I read some where recently that TP wasn't even invented until the late 1800s. Don't know how true that is, but I am thankful I live in this era and not that era... and I pay taxes for that convenience.

Food is exempt because you need it to literally live. You do not need a sanitary pad or tampon in the same literal sense. It's just a convenience. A damn nice convenience, absolutely, but a convenience nonetheless.

That being said, and as I have already said in a previous post, I am fine with it being tax-exempt. I just think the reasons given are a tad overly dramatic.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
I don't believe that to be true.
Could be wrong though.
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the fact is that states that have no income tax like FL and TX rely heavily on sales tax.
in order to help offset sale tax burden they have deemed some items to be a necessity and therefore not taxable.

if it would be taxable it would put an undo burden on poorer people and middle income.
food is expensive. adding tax onto that would make it almost unaffordable for some people.

things like medicine, food, has been deemed a necessity.

hygiene products do not fall into that category.
 
radcen said:
It's a natural bodily function that people dealt successfully with for eons. Modern innovations have made it easier and more convenient to deal with, is all. I read some where recently that TP wasn't even invented until the late 1800s. Don't know how true that is, but I am thankful I live in this era and not that era... and I pay taxes for that convenience.

Food is exempt because you need it to literally live. You do not need a sanitary pad or tampon in the same literal sense. It's just a convenience. A damn nice convenience, absolutely, but a convenience nonetheless.

That being said, and as I have already said in a previous post, I am fine with it being tax-exempt. I just think the reasons given are a tad overly dramatic.
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I don't disagree with the reasoning being overdramatic (since it doesn't cost $7/month for them when most women can get at least three months worth of pads at least, not sure on tampons since I don't use them, from one box costing that much)(oh, and she did say that was how much they cost, not how much the taxes on them were). I was just pointing out that they are different than other sanitary items (except maybe toilet paper and diapers) mentioned because they are necessary for more than just the person using them. They simply aren't just a convenience or something we could do without. If you went without any of these things for even a month (assuming you bought them normally) it would put an unbelievable burden on the person and society in regards to health and sanitation. And I'm actually fine with states exempting things like soap and toothpaste or any other product they think is a "necessity", I just think people are complaining way too much about this particular exemption push. Hell, I'm even for exempting condoms, which was mentioned in another article as something people were trying to compare this to.
 
roguenuke said:
Most military men buy their razors in the commissary or post exchange, which are tax free to begin with. And those things would still be things that should be tax free as well since they would still fall under the auspice of "feminine hygiene product" like those being discussed.
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And on that same note - if someone's so poor they can't afford a few $ every month for disposable pads then they probably qualify for welfare.

So at what point do we draw the line? 'Everything necessary to live and unavoidable are tax free' - like medications and education, that too? This is why I don't support exemptions. I don't see the need, whereas I do support assistance for those who do need it.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
And on that same note - if someone's so poor they can't afford a few $ every month for disposable pads then they probably qualify for welfare.

So at what point do we draw the line? 'Everything necessary to live and unavoidable are tax free' - like medications and education, that too? This is why I don't support exemptions. I don't see the need, whereas I do support assistance for those who do need it.
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Those states where the exemptions are being requested already exempt (most of them from what I've seen, definitely California where the representative in the OP article is from) medications, and even exempt things like walkers and other such medical equipment.
 
The fact that Viagra is considered anything but a luxury item is hilarious.

As for the tampon tax, it is a double standard to not tax viagra but to tax tampons and diapers. One is a necessity and the other is for boners. There is no need for boners. You can exist quite well without one. In fact, most boner issues aren't even properly addressed by viagra. There are often underlining mental and physical issues that impede that.
 
roguenuke said:
Please show where anyone made any argument that tampons or other feminine sanitary products should be "free". This is about tax exemption, not getting something for free.
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You haven't heard? As part of this tax free silliness, they are also asking for free tampons at all colleges, work sites, government buildings etc.. Actually all public restrooms....

Free Tampons Should Be A Human Right
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Simplest solution is to eliminate the none taxed categories.
Then no one can claim unfairness.

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Why is Viagra the go to product to make stupid comparisons?
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Because feminists, like most activists, aren't smart enough to communicate an issue without using a silly wedge issue to make themselves appear to even more victimized. Its all for show.
 
Moon said:
Because feminists, like most activists, aren't smart enough to communicate an issue without using a silly wedge issue to make themselves appear to even more victimized. Its all for show.
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I get so tired of all the ****, that may disaffect women negatively, getting painted as malicious gender discrimination.
I mean, again with the example of car insurance, guys pay more and for good reason.
It doesn't need to be fixed, this doesn't need to be fixed.
 
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