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Employment Situation 1 April 2016

Then it seems utterly absurd, and possibly partisan, for you to be upset about Hillary's server getting hacked. :shrug:

That's the point.
Nonsense. Even if we accept your source from Fortune, there are many factors which make your point unverifiable. You don't know the security of the State Department, you don't know how prevalent the knowledge of her e-mail system was outside the State Department, we don't even know if her server was hacked. We do know the State Department servers have been hacked several times, so complaining that Clinton's server COULD have been hacked seems rather ridiculous, don't you think?

There have been multiple IT security experts say their opinion isn't IF her servers were hacked it was just when and how much data was taken.
I just supplied an article saying she had no encryption for 3 months... her domain has her name on it... like a beacon of come try and hack me. you believe whatever you want and I will be inclined to believe the likely.
 
Shouldn't those people be prosecuted for interfering with an ongoing investigation? I find that highly suspect.

I don't know if they had permission or if they did it in a way that didn't interfere. I would suppose if they did interfere the FBI would have done something about it.
 
Manufacturing will never again be a major job creator due to automation. Poor manufacturing job growth is probably also hurting wage growth as low skilled manufacturing workers transition to low skill service sector workers they will undoubtably be paid less.

Not that I understand why. We often assume that working on the assembly line takes a higher skill level than flipping burgers, but I've done both and I've supervised both, and it's my opinion that service jobs are at about the same skill level if not higher than assembly line jobs. I don't know why manufacturing ever paid more than the service sector, other than for the fact that most low skilled service sector jobs are part time and for some reason we assume that people taking a 20 hour a week job don't need to make as much per hour as a 40+ hour a week job.

It does not pertain to just manufacturing jobs. Cheap illegal labor has either stagnated or killed wages in the construction industry.
 
Not that I understand why. We often assume that working on the assembly line takes a higher skill level than flipping burgers, but I've done both and I've supervised both, and it's my opinion that service jobs are at about the same skill level if not higher than assembly line jobs. I don't know why manufacturing ever paid more than the service sector, other than for the fact that most low skilled service sector jobs are part time and for some reason we assume that people taking a 20 hour a week job don't need to make as much per hour as a 40+ hour a week job.

I don't know if it was skill as much as it was a different time. I think manufacturing paid better because at the time when manufacturing was big in this country, it was a different era, most households only had one wage earner. The man only worked, he needed to make enough to take care of his family. He was the only one paying the bills.

Now? It's a given, most households have 2 wage earners. Even if you are single it's a given you will have a roommate(s), and there will be 2-3 people paying the bills.
 
There have been multiple IT security experts say their opinion isn't IF her servers were hacked it was just when and how much data was taken.
Which is still speculation. As opposed to the State Department servers which we have confirmation were hacked.

Do you understand yet how stupid your point is?
you believe whatever you want and I will be inclined to believe the likely.
You'll believe whatever allows you to continue your political viewpoints. Actual facts don't really seem to matter to you.

I've already said her server probably was hacked. I'm just pointing out how utterly absurd it is for you to whine about it when we KNOW the State Department was hacked and will always be a high profile target. You're not doing anything but engaging in ridiculous political nonsense, not any real concern for America.
 
Cheap illegal labor has either stagnated or killed wages in the construction industry.

Do you have any evidence to back that up? I don't follow the industry and don't know much about it. There's plenty of complaining on right-wing, anti-immigrant sites, but as you might guess, I don't give much weight to that.

If you look at the annual percentage change in non-supervisory construction wages in recent years, things were improving in the 1990s, slowed down for a few years, perhaps because of immigrant labor, I dunno, shot up when the economy collapsed as last-hired, lower-wage workers were let go, fell back down as the economy recovered and employment increased, and have done OK for the past two years — up 2.4% annually with very low inflation.

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A few years ago, undocumented workers held about one job in seven in construction/extraction.

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But according to Commerce Department data, if you look at just workers from Mexico, "many of the workers who went back to Mexico during the real estate crisis haven't returned to work in the U.S. due to tighter immigration controls — both for those entering legally and those not — and comparable job opportunities in some Mexican states with improving economies." ("How an Immigration Downturn Has Contributed to the Construction-Worker Shortage," WSJ, Sept 21, 2015

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That doesn't bode well for a home-building industry that increasingly has cited labor shortages among the factors deterring greater production of late.

Builders differ on whether higher pay is needed to lure workers back into the industry, be they Mexican or American. Roy Weatherford, owner of Apex Foundation LLC, which pours foundations, driveways and sidewalks in the Houston area, is among those who don't see pay as the issue. He sees the answer in more recruitment and training to bring young people into the industry, rather than trying to lure back workers who left.

“One thing we're noticing here in the Houston market is that the workers from Mexico are not coming back," Mr. Weatherford said. "There is work in Mexico. They've opened plants in Mexico. Look how many car manufacturers have moved to Mexico. They can work there, and if they're making a living, they’d all rather be home."

In the Denver market, John Van Dyk's Van Dyk Construction Inc. builds frames for about 700 homes each year. He agreed that Mexican-born construction workers are finding work outside of the U.S., but he added that there are still some who would return.

"Supposedly, there's work farther south, in South America, Honduras and places like that that aren't as hard to get to," Mr. Van Dyk said. "I still feel like there is labor there that is willing to come here if we got immigration [policy] figured out. Most of my guys who are immigrants tell me that they could get labor if they were allowed."

Immigration policy is a hotly debated topic among presidential candidates with the election still more than a year away. In their report, Messrs. Burns and Porter steered clear of suggesting any changes to immigration policy. Rather, their report cites numerous data points indicating a less hospitable environment in the U.S. in recent years for Mexican migration, legal or illegal.

Their report notes Commerce Department figures showing a 67% decline in immigration to the U.S. from Mexico from 2006 to 2013. Employers' use of the E-Verify online system for verifying employment eligibility has risen from almost nothing in 2001 to more than 27 million employment checks last year. — same source​
 
Do you have any evidence to back that up? I don't follow the industry and don't know much about it. There's plenty of complaining on right-wing, anti-immigrant sites, but as you might guess, I don't give much weight to that.

If you look at the annual percentage change in non-supervisory construction wages in recent years, things were improving in the 1990s, slowed down for a few years, perhaps because of immigrant labor, I dunno, shot up when the economy collapsed as last-hired, lower-wage workers were let go, fell back down as the economy recovered and employment increased, and have done OK for the past two years — up 2.4% annually with very low inflation.

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A few years ago, undocumented workers held about one job in seven in construction/extraction.

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But according to Commerce Department data, if you look at just workers from Mexico, "many of the workers who went back to Mexico during the real estate crisis haven't returned to work in the U.S. due to tighter immigration controls — both for those entering legally and those not — and comparable job opportunities in some Mexican states with improving economies." ("How an Immigration Downturn Has Contributed to the Construction-Worker Shortage," WSJ, Sept 21, 2015

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That doesn't bode well for a home-building industry that increasingly has cited labor shortages among the factors deterring greater production of late.

Builders differ on whether higher pay is needed to lure workers back into the industry, be they Mexican or American. Roy Weatherford, owner of Apex Foundation LLC, which pours foundations, driveways and sidewalks in the Houston area, is among those who don't see pay as the issue. He sees the answer in more recruitment and training to bring young people into the industry, rather than trying to lure back workers who left.

“One thing we're noticing here in the Houston market is that the workers from Mexico are not coming back," Mr. Weatherford said. "There is work in Mexico. They've opened plants in Mexico. Look how many car manufacturers have moved to Mexico. They can work there, and if they're making a living, they’d all rather be home."

In the Denver market, John Van Dyk's Van Dyk Construction Inc. builds frames for about 700 homes each year. He agreed that Mexican-born construction workers are finding work outside of the U.S., but he added that there are still some who would return.

"Supposedly, there's work farther south, in South America, Honduras and places like that that aren't as hard to get to," Mr. Van Dyk said. "I still feel like there is labor there that is willing to come here if we got immigration [policy] figured out. Most of my guys who are immigrants tell me that they could get labor if they were allowed."

Immigration policy is a hotly debated topic among presidential candidates with the election still more than a year away. In their report, Messrs. Burns and Porter steered clear of suggesting any changes to immigration policy. Rather, their report cites numerous data points indicating a less hospitable environment in the U.S. in recent years for Mexican migration, legal or illegal.

Their report notes Commerce Department figures showing a 67% decline in immigration to the U.S. from Mexico from 2006 to 2013. Employers' use of the E-Verify online system for verifying employment eligibility has risen from almost nothing in 2001 to more than 27 million employment checks last year. — same source​

Those stats do not mean squat. I can go to every residential and commercial job sites right now in my area............ and not find a American born drywall hanger, Drywall finisher, Framer, Roofer, landscaper, or concrete finisher.
 
Which is still speculation. As opposed to the State Department servers which we have confirmation were hacked.

Do you understand yet how stupid your point is?
You'll believe whatever allows you to continue your political viewpoints. Actual facts don't really seem to matter to you.

I've already said her server probably was hacked. I'm just pointing out how utterly absurd it is for you to whine about it when we KNOW the State Department was hacked and will always be a high profile target. You're not doing anything but engaging in ridiculous political nonsense, not any real concern for America.

Speculation yes.. but educated speculation. We get opinions from experts and take them seriously all the time in courts before congressional testimony and for research all the time.
 
Those stats do not mean squat. I can go to every residential and commercial job sites right now in my area............ and not find a American born drywall hanger, Drywall finisher, Framer, Roofer, landscaper, or concrete finisher.

There's a reason the plural of anecdote =/= data. We just had a big job done at our house, and quite a bit of landscaping, and almost all of them were American born. The only one who was obviously foreign born (there were a few hispanics, but they spoke perfect English) was the painter. So it depends. It's true that when we had a bad hail storm take out about 2/3 of the roofs in this area, almost all the roofing crews which came from all over the region were at least mostly hispanic. Couldn't tell by looking where they were born....
 
Speculation yes.. but educated speculation.
As opposed to the State Department which we KNOW was hacked. So you're saying you would rather have had her use servers we KNOW were hacked than one we think might have been hacked? This makes sense to you?

Your position is absolutely ridiculous and nakedly political.
 
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