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If Bernie wins the NY primary, some superdelegates vow to back Hillary Clinton anyway

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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...argely-back-clinton-sanders-article-1.2581729

Maybe the system really is rigged.
At least a half-dozen Democratic superdelegates in New York State who have already decided to support Hillary Clinton said Tuesday they would maintain their allegiance to her — regardless of the results of the Empire State’s primary.

Even if Sanders were to win the April 19 New York presidential contest, when a whopping 247 delegates are at stake, every single New York superdelegate reached by the Daily News said they would never back the Vermont senator.

“Absolutely not,” Elizabeth Stanley, the chief of staff for Westchester County Rep. Nita Lowey, told the Daily News when asked if she could see “any potential situation at all” resulting in her boss switching her support from Clinton to Sanders.
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Proof that the DNC has no intention of letting its young voters and minorities actually choose its presidential candidates without its approval.

The aristocracy wins regardless.
 
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"Crock The Vote". I love that!
 
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By word of mouth I heard that on the republican side they are talking about a "broker" convention. Which in my opinion would divide the republican party even more, but it is more evidence of the same concept. I feel like these delegate systems and electoral colleges and so forth is to create an illusion that our vote matters when really it doesn't.
 
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Both sides are showing their true colors that it's about their power, their establishment, at your expense. They are the ruling class and any they won't accept candidates outside that closed system by the hoi poloi


The question is, will this doom both parties, or will this become a distant memory for the ruling class?
 
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If you own both horses in the race, you never lose.
 
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sookster said:
By word of mouth I heard that on the republican side they are talking about a "broker" convention. Which in my opinion would divide the republican party even more, but it is more evidence of the same concept. I feel like these delegate systems and electoral colleges and so forth is to create an illusion that our vote matters when really it doesn't.
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It matters in the general election, obviously. It matters in the primary too (look at how many Republicans had to drop out when they were shown to not get any public support). It matters based on our donations as well.

But why would a political party give up the ability to ultimately choose who it can send to the general election to represent THEIR party?
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
Both sides are showing their true colors that it's about their power, their establishment, at your expense. They are the ruling class and any they won't accept candidates outside that closed system by the hoi poloi


The question is, will this doom both parties, or will this become a distant memory for the ruling class?
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I would like to think that it would doom them.



Sadly, however, I have very little faith left in the american voter. We're fickle, and we have some serious long term memory issues.
 
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robertblake60 said:
It matters in the general election, obviously. It matters in the primary too (look at how many Republicans had to drop out when they were shown to not get any public support). It matters based on our donations as well.

But why would a political party give up the ability to ultimately choose who it can send to the general election to represent THEIR party?
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To survive.


The Grand Old Party requires support from it's believers, in order to remain relevant. With that, they may as well be....well....the libertarian party, or something like that.

You can only kick a dog so many times, before it either turns around and bites you, or runs away.
 
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There's no way Bernie is gonna win NY anyway so the question is moot.
 
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PoS said:
There's no way Bernie is gonna win NY anyway so the question is moot.
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It was moot before Iowa. The superdelegates were already secured before this farce of a primary season began.
 
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Erod said:
New York superdelegates largely back Clinton over Sanders - NY Daily News



Proof that the DNC has no intention of letting its young voters and minorities actually choose its presidential candidates without its approval.

The aristocracy wins regardless.
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Hillary is winning. She has more than twice the delegate lead over Sanders than Obama ever had over her and she's earned something like 3 million more votes than Sanders. She's also polling above Sanders nationally. If Sanders were to beat Hillary in pledged delegates then you would certainly have a point. And if that were to happen this year, or if it ends up even close he will win the nomination.

But as it stands, your argument is like saying that the team who scores the most in the 4th Quarter should win the game.
 
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Republicans are just pissed because they know that their only shot (and its not a very good one) is if somehow they can get Bernie on the ballot rather than Hillary. Its their desperation that is showing.
 
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KevinKohler said:
If you own both horses in the race, you never lose.
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Excellent post!

Yep, it's a "Hobson's Choice"!

Nothing more.
 
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PoS said:
There's no way Bernie is gonna win NY anyway so the question is moot.
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It's funny that the news media keeps calling New York Hilary's "home state" when Sanders was born in Brooklyn and lived and worked in New York until his late 20s.

If I was a registered democrat I'd vote for him over Hilary any day of the week despite disagreeing with his politics. The man seems far more trustworthy that she does.
 
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Mithros said:
Hillary is winning. She has more than twice the delegate lead over Sanders than Obama ever had over her and she's earned something like 3 million more votes than Sanders. She's also polling above Sanders nationally. If Sanders were to beat Hillary in pledged delegates then you would certainly have a point. And if that were to happen this year, or if it ends up even close he will win the nomination.

But as it stands, your argument is like saying that the team who scores the most in the 4th Quarter should win the game.
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A simple point but amazing how often it needs to be reiterated.

To those demanding the people's voice be heard in the Dem primary: it is. It's calling pretty loudly for Hillary.
 
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Gaius46 said:
It's funny that the news media keeps calling New York Hilary's "home state" when Sanders was born in Brooklyn and lived and worked in New York until his late 20s.
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She was twice elected to office there, representing it in the U.S. Senate.
 
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Greenbeard said:
She was twice elected to office there, representing it in the U.S. Senate.
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I know. I live here. Still calling it her home state is a stretch. She and Bill bought a house in Chappaqua - about 30 miles north of the city - to meet residency requirements when ran for the Senate. She has no real ties to the state otherwise.
 
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Mithros said:
Hillary is winning. She has more than twice the delegate lead over Sanders than Obama ever had over her and she's earned something like 3 million more votes than Sanders. She's also polling above Sanders nationally. If Sanders were to beat Hillary in pledged delegates then you would certainly have a point. And if that were to happen this year, or if it ends up even close he will win the nomination.

But as it stands, your argument is like saying that the team who scores the most in the 4th Quarter should win the game.
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With superdelegates, yes. Hence, this thread.

Your post is proof that Democrats will vote quite literally for anything, no matter how corrupt. She is the lowest form of humanity.
 
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Erod said:
With superdelegates, yes. Hence, this thread.
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No, without the super delegates. Her pledged delegate lead (not to mention vote lead) is far bigger right now than Obama's ever was in '08.
 
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Erod said:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...argely-back-clinton-sanders-article-1.2581729



Proof that the DNC has no intention of letting its young voters and minorities actually choose its presidential candidates without its approval.

The aristocracy wins regardless.
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Not necessarily. If treasonous superdelegates back Hillary in defiance of the voters in NY, then other superdelegates in other states can easily switch to supporting Sanders.
 
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Erod said:
Proof that the DNC has no intention of letting its young voters and minorities actually choose its presidential candidates without its approval.
The aristocracy wins regardless.
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More Conservative deflection, imagine that... :roll:

Super Delegates don't belong to any one state, they are wild cards. Now it is a bit of a stretch to claim Bernie is going to win New York State- what poll shows anything close to that?

If you read past the headline most of the super delegates never commented on if they would or would not change their vote. :doh

5 said they will stick with Hillary, 6 had no comment and the other 33 were never even asked... :shock:

For me it's proof the PUBs are extremely frazzled by their own freak show (This morning the news showed all 3 remaining candidates all spinning away from their pledge to support whoever becomes the GOP nominee :shock: )

They have to make crap up in a feeble attempt to create drama for some thin veil on their own crapfest... :peace
 
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Erod said:
With superdelegates, yes.
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NO! With regular old pledged delegates. Obama NEVER had as big a lead over Clinton as she has over Sanders in pledged Delegates.

As far as super-delegates, at this point in 2008, Clinton had roughly 250 super-delegates pledged and Obama had 220 pledged. In 2016, Clinton has like 469 versus Sanders 29.
 
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