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FBI hacks iPhone: Does this make your phone less private?

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You have to appreciate the cavalier, matter-of-fact tone of the article. "Should the FBI have a backdoor into your iphone? Should they be able to break into it and have access to your personal information? Well, they can. So...end of discussion, I guess. Have a bagel."

I am puzzled how they did it, though. You can't just do a brute force attack on these things. You have, what, three or four code entry attempts before they just lock?

FBI hacks iPhone: Does this make your phone less private? - LA Times

Weeks of contentious debate weighing privacy rights against the government's need to investigate terrorism came to an end Monday when the FBI said it found a way to gain access to Syed Rizwan Farook's iPhone 5c.


The announcement may have staved off a historic court battle, but questions still linger about how the government gained access to the device and what implications the FBI's tactics will have beyond the investigation into the San Bernardino terror attacks.
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Your iPhone was never completely secure in the first place no matter where it is.

But the difference here is the FBI has the iPhone in question in their possession, whatever they are doing to it to break it is direct.

What they do not have is your iPhone, making breaking into that (or an iCloud account) a remote function. Does not make it necessarily "more private" or "less private," but does change the game on how information is accessed.

To make all things equal means making conditions equal.

Apples and oranges...
 
Cardinal said:
You have to appreciate the cavalier, matter-of-fact tone of the article. "Should the FBI have a backdoor into your iphone? Should they be able to break into it and have access to your personal information? Well, they can. So...end of discussion, I guess. Have a bagel."

I am puzzled how they did it, though. You can't just do a brute force attack on these things. You have, what, three or four code entry attempts before they just lock?

FBI hacks iPhone: Does this make your phone less private? - LA Times
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It stands to reason that if Apple could hack the phone, then the FBI could as well.

Is my phone less private? I suppose if I go on a shooting rampage shouting "Allah Akhbar", then leave a phone behind, that phone has just become less private.
 
CanadaJohn said:
If you truly value privacy, then don't use technology.
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I should be able to use technology without the government breaking into it or spying into what I'm doing. Asking the government to not be a bunch of assholes isn't asking for too much.
 
As likely as not Apple caved and gave them a backdoor.
 
Henrin said:
I should be able to use technology without the government breaking into it or spying into what I'm doing. Asking the government to not be a bunch of assholes isn't asking for too much.
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"Should" is the keyword, and that ship on a lack of privacy sailed a long way back.
 
Cardinal said:
You have to appreciate the cavalier, matter-of-fact tone of the article. "Should the FBI have a backdoor into your iphone? Should they be able to break into it and have access to your personal information? Well, they can. So...end of discussion, I guess. Have a bagel."

I am puzzled how they did it, though. You can't just do a brute force attack on these things. You have, what, three or four code entry attempts before they just lock?

FBI hacks iPhone: Does this make your phone less private? - LA Times
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The real story, apple already gave them the key to get into that ****. deal was they had to pretend to fight it. when it looked like the court was going to side with the fake apple position, suddenly someone magically "hacked" into that iPhone. Don't believe the official story for a second.
 
OrphanSlug said:
"Should" is the keyword, and that ship on a lack of privacy sailed a long way back.
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And I want that ship to come back into harbor. The fact that the government doesn't care about the peoples privacy and refuses to listen to them when they demand them to stop says plenty about the government and none of it is good.
 
Henrin said:
I should be able to use technology without the government breaking into it or spying into what I'm doing. Asking the government to not be a bunch of assholes isn't asking for too much.
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Where's your proof the government has done that?

This was the case of a phone used in a terrorist crime that was mined for data to try to track others involved and/or future attacks. Are you a terrorist?
 
CanadaJohn said:
Where's your proof the government has done that?

This was the case of a phone used in a terrorist crime that was mined for data to try to track others involved and/or future attacks. Are you a terrorist?
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We have a long series of laws that defends everything I said. Laws that I might add that people want repealed and yet are still on the books.
 
Henrin said:
And I want that ship to come back into harbor. The fact that the government doesn't care about the peoples privacy and refuses to listen to them when they demand them to stop says plenty about the government and none of it is good.
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Then that requires no longer voting Republican or Democrat, damn near across the entire nation. One of the few bipartisan agreements in existence today is the function of security and government ability over the populace overrides the function of Constitutionality.

You know it, and I know it.

Problem is until that happens these are the ancillary conversations we are forced to have. And to you and the OP, your iPhone (and iCloud account) was never entirely secure.
 
Henrin said:
We have a long series of laws that defends everything I said. Laws that I might add that people want repealed and yet are still on the books.
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You made a claim that the government was breaking into and spying on the technology you use and I simply asked you to back it up. I take it you can't.

I'm far more concerned about the multitude of assholes out there who don't work for government who are doing exactly what you claim to be offended by. I simply pointed out that if you use today's technology, nothing you do on it or with it should be considered private.
 
If you have any type of data that you don't want anybody else to have never put it on a computer (including phones) that has any type of communication capability.
 
Cardinal said:
You have to appreciate the cavalier, matter-of-fact tone of the article. "Should the FBI have a backdoor into your iphone? Should they be able to break into it and have access to your personal information? Well, they can. So...end of discussion, I guess. Have a bagel."

I am puzzled how they did it, though. You can't just do a brute force attack on these things. You have, what, three or four code entry attempts before they just lock?

FBI hacks iPhone: Does this make your phone less private? - LA Times
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Did they really gain access, or is it a charade? Was the Israeli just a consultant? Is this the FBI/DoJ saving face?
 
I'm skeptical of the official story as well. Wondering if the DoJ came to the conclusion that this was a dog of a case to hang their position on and decided to kill it before the judge spanked them. Either that or the idiot who lost the password finally found it.
 
American said:
Did they really gain access, or is it a charade? Was the Israeli just a consultant? Is this the FBI/DoJ saving face?
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Hell if I know. I'm just taking the article at face value.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
The real story, apple already gave them the key to get into that ****. deal was they had to pretend to fight it. when it looked like the court was going to side with the fake apple position, suddenly someone magically "hacked" into that iPhone. Don't believe the official story for a second.
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Why would a multi-$billion company like Apple provide the information on the sly and then allow the government to announce that they solved the riddle anyway and dropped the case? That makes zero public relations sense to me, at all. They could fight the good fight and win or lose in court they'd have lots of good PR.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Why would a multi-$billion company like Apple provide the information on the sly and then allow the government to announce that they solved the riddle anyway and dropped the case? That makes zero public relations sense to me, at all. They could fight the good fight and win or lose in court they'd have lots of good PR.
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Simple. I want a secure device. Apple wants to come out as pro personal data security...


handing **** over to the government without a fight would be bad.


backdoor deal. Give it to us, fight us, we'll fight you, and if it looks like you are losing we'll claim a "mystery method" hack. Come on now.


the problem with apple actually winning would be that the federalis would now have legal precident to be denied.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Where's your proof the government has done that?

This was the case of a phone used in a terrorist crime that was mined for data to try to track others involved and/or future attacks. Are you a terrorist?
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I'm not a terrorist but I could easily be accused of being one. My husband has the same name as a terrorist and it's all funny at the airport but not so much when he gets guns pointed at him trying to enter an army base for work. Because it takes hours to figure out 2 people can have the same name and not be the same person. So yes even people who are not actual terrorists can still be put in vulnerable positions by the government.
 
American said:
Did they really gain access, or is it a charade? Was the Israeli just a consultant? Is this the FBI/DoJ saving face?
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I would not be surprised if they did gain access and Apple helped them covertly.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Simple. I want a secure device. Apple wants to come out as pro personal data security...


handing **** over to the government without a fight would be bad.


backdoor deal. Give it to us, fight us, we'll fight you, and if it looks like you are losing we'll claim a "mystery method" hack. Come on now.


the problem with apple actually winning would be that the federalis would now have legal precident to be denied.
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You're argument makes no sense.
 
americanwoman said:
I'm not a terrorist but I could easily be accused of being one. My husband has the same name as a terrorist and it's all funny at the airport but not so much when he gets guns pointed at him trying to enter an army base for work. Because it takes hours to figure out 2 people can have the same name and not be the same person. So yes even people who are not actual terrorists can still be put in vulnerable positions by the government.
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My condolences, but that has zero to do with the subject of the thread or the government accessing your technology.
 
CanadaJohn said:
My condolences, but that has zero to do with the subject of the thread or the government accessing your technology.
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So the government can't use the excuse to break in my phone that it's because they thought I was a terrorist? Because my name got confused with someone associated with ISIS or whatever. You stated the excuse is that it was phone used in a terrorist crime but whats to stop them from breaking in to someone elses phone if they think there might be something, even if there isn't. This has everything to do with government accessing my technology because I know how they can easily accuse someone who is not a terrorist of being one.
 
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