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FBI has accessed San Bernardino shooter’s phone without Apple’s help

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I wonder if we'll get to find out whether all the fuss was over nothing or something. If they don't get anything useful it was a tremendous waste of time.
 
Well, there went a selling point for Apple.
 
JoeTrumps said:
Apple's San Bernardino fight is officially over as government confirms working attack | The Verge

Court case officially over. Apple should have mixed feelings. They have to be asking "how did the FBI do it?" and you know if they ask the FBI will now give them the middle finger.
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they might be able ot use the courts to compel he FBI to tell them..... but I'm not sure about that..

I wouldn't doubt Apple helped the FBI on the down-low.

well ,the good news is the American people now know that Apples encryption isn't very tough to defeat... so they know their privacy isn't as protected as Apple pretends it to be.
that's good information for the consumer to have when purchasing their products.
 
JoeTrumps said:
Apple should have mixed feelings. They have to be asking "how did the FBI do it?" and you know if they ask the FBI will now give them the middle finger. Because Apple refused to help the info on the phone could be of no use now.
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fmw said:
I don't think the FBI knows either. They hired a third party company to hack the phone.
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Thrilla said:
they might be able ot use the courts to compel he FBI to tell them..... but I'm not sure about that..

I wouldn't doubt Apple helped the FBI on the down-low.

well ,the good news is the American people now know that Apples encryption isn't very tough to defeat... so they know their privacy isn't as protected as Apple pretends it to be.
that's good information for the consumer to have when purchasing their products.
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Security experts have been weighing in on this, and the most likely way is something called NAND mirroring. Essentially they take the chip from the inside of the phone, and physically copy the entire thing. Then try the amount of passcode attempts you can on the first chip, if you don't get it, discard that chip and try again with the next one. Repeat until you get in.

This method wouldn't actually work with a newer iPhone. If you have an iPhone with touch ID (fingerprint scanner) then your phone has an extra chip called a 'Secure Enclave' that prevents this, so I doubt Apple are too worried. It also won't work if you use an alphanumeric passcode rather than the standard 4 digit pin.

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So basically Apple has to work on the security of their devices.
 
JoeTrumps said:
Apple's San Bernardino fight is officially over as government confirms working attack | The Verge

Court case officially over. Apple should have mixed feelings. They have to be asking "how did the FBI do it?" and you know if they ask the FBI will now give them the middle finger. Because Apple refused to help the info on the phone could be of no use now.
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I'm pretty sure Apple knew how it could be done.

They were taking a moral stand in favor of privacy, and may they be praised for it.




"Give me liberty or give me death" used to mean something.....the most important thing.
 
Nilly said:
Security experts have been weighing in on this, and the most likely way is something called NAND mirroring. Essentially they take the chip from the inside of the phone, and physically copy the entire thing. Then try the amount of passcode attempts you can on the first chip, if you don't get it, discard that chip and try again with the next one. Repeat until you get in.

This method wouldn't actually work with a newer iPhone. If you have an iPhone with touch ID (fingerprint scanner) then your phone has an extra chip called a 'Secure Enclave' that prevents this, so I doubt Apple are too worried. It also won't work if you use an alphanumeric passcode rather than the standard 4 digit pin.

More info: Just a moment...
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I would add to this that the FBI have classified the methods used to get in, so whilst opinions of security experts are educated speculation, it is speculation nonetheless.
 
Lutherf said:
I wonder if we'll get to find out whether all the fuss was over nothing or something. If they don't get anything useful it was a tremendous waste of time.
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I'm guessing it was over nothing, because the San Bernadino terrorist had 3 phones, 2 of which he totally destroyed. This 3rd one was just his work phone.
The goods were probably on the other 2 phones.
 
Henrin said:
So basically Apple has to work on the security of their devices.
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Nobody has EVER concocted code that can't be broken. If you can build it I guarantee you that someone else can knock it down.
 
JoeTrumps said:
Apple's San Bernardino fight is officially over as government confirms working attack | The Verge

Court case officially over. Apple should have mixed feelings. They have to be asking "how did the FBI do it?" and you know if they ask the FBI will now give them the middle finger. Because Apple refused to help the info on the phone could be of no use now.
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Well, the FIB could have saved a lot of tie and trouble if they'd just broke into it in the first place. But first, they wanted Apple to make it easy. Nope, no agenda there.
 
Mr Person said:
I'm pretty sure Apple knew how it could be done.

They were taking a moral stand in favor of privacy, and may they be praised for it.




"Give me liberty or give me death" used to mean something.....the most important thing.
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Yep, I no fan of Apple. Not even close. I wouldn't buy an Apple under any circumstance. But anyone who thinks Apple didn't know how this could be done, and how to do it is being extremely naive.
 
JoeTrumps said:
Apple's San Bernardino fight is officially over as government confirms working attack | The Verge

Court case officially over. Apple should have mixed feelings. They have to be asking "how did the FBI do it?" and you know if they ask the FBI will now give them the middle finger. Because Apple refused to help the info on the phone could be of no use now.
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THere's zero evidence that the FBI actually accomplished any hacking. It's merely a statement made by the FBI, though it's certainly possible.
 
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Lutherf said:
Nobody has EVER concocted code that can't be broken. If you can build it I guarantee you that someone else can knock it down.
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Totally false. It's not difficult to make something hack proof. The challenge is making it hack-proof and convenient to use.
 
Mr Person said:
I'm pretty sure Apple knew how it could be done.

They were taking a moral stand in favor of privacy, and may they be praised for it.




"Give me liberty or give me death" used to mean something.....the most important thing.
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This was probably nothing more than a PR stunt for Apple--trying to create the impression to the public that they will stand up to the US gummint.

In reality, the whole story-line--the notion that the FBI was trying to hack an iPhone and Apple wouldn't let it--doesn't make any sense, because the US is fundamentally a plutocracy, a system where the govt. takes orders from major corporations, and not the other way around.

It's more likely that Apple has specific security-breaching arrangements w/the US govt. i. e. in exchange for making the iPhones hackable, Apple gets certain regulatory favors.
 
Lutherf said:
Nobody has EVER concocted code that can't be broken. If you can build it I guarantee you that someone else can knock it down.
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Maybe, maybe not.

Yes, if you have an unlimited amount of time and attempts!

But the Apple phones apparently wipes after 10 failed attempts!

Now, this is from my very basic understanding I've recently gleaned, and not actual working knowledge.
 
Chomsky said:
Maybe, maybe not.

Yes, if you have an unlimited amount of time and attempts!

But the Apple phones apparently wipes after 10 failed attempts!

Now, this is from my very basic understanding I've recently gleaned, and not actual working knowledge.
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Android has apps that will wipe the phone after 5 attempts.

The 10 attempts on Apple can be turned off by the user. So it can be unlimited.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Android has apps that will wipe the phone after 5 attempts.

The 10 attempts on Apple can be turned off by the user. So it can be unlimited.
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Thanks for the clarification! :thumbs:
 
Chomsky said:
Maybe, maybe not.

Yes, if you have an unlimited amount of time and attempts!

But the Apple phones apparently wipes after 10 failed attempts!

Now, this is from my very basic understanding I've recently gleaned, and not actual working knowledge.
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That is how it works yes. And they were asking apple to disable that feature essentially. Honestly the I knew the gov could do it themselves if they wanted to spend the time and man hours figuring it out with a bunch of iphones to practice on.
but a few people or groups had offered to do it so apparently that's the route they took instead.
 
JoeTrumps said:
Apple's San Bernardino fight is officially over as government confirms working attack | The Verge

Court case officially over. Apple should have mixed feelings. They have to be asking "how did the FBI do it?" and you know if they ask the FBI will now give them the middle finger. Because Apple refused to help the info on the phone could be of no use now.
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SocialD said:
That is how it works yes. And they were asking apple to disable that feature essentially. Honestly the I knew the gov could do it themselves if they wanted to spend the time and man hours figuring it out with a bunch of iphones to practice on.
but a few people or groups had offered to do it so apparently that's the route they took instead.
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The FBI couldn't find pictures of Superman in an old Comic book.
You don't think a couple of suits from Utah are up to the task do you?
I mean, really.

Who can hack an iPhone for the FBI? Clues point to Cellebrite in Israel.
Who can hack an iPhone for the FBI? Clues point to Cellebrite in Israel.
Mashable - 3/25/16

The FBI has been trying to hack into the iPhone used by the San Bernardino shooter for months. But this week, when the Justice Department suddenly announced that a mysterious "outside party" was helping investigators access the data, security experts wondered who might be capable of cracking Apple's encryption.

Now, all eyes are on an Israeli cybersecurity company whose past connections and recent movements suggest it may be the FBI's white knight.

Israeli newspaper 'Yedioth Aharonot' reported Wednesday that the unidentified party is Cellebrite, based just outside Tel Aviv. But the FBI and Cellebrite have refused to confirm any relationship. And on Thursday, unnamed law enforcement officials speaking on background to USA Today squashed reports of a partnership.

Mashable has learned, however, that the company's executive vice president for mobile forensics, Leeor Ben-Peretz, spent the last few days in the United States. According to a person who recently worked with the company and who spoke on condition of anonymity, Ben-Peretz is Cellebrite's top executive who would demonstrate its forensics capabilities.

On Thursday evening, Ben-Peretz landed back at Israel's Ben Gurion Airport. He was surprised — and not very happy — to receive a phone call from me.
"Did you demonstrate Cellebrite's capabilities to the FBI?" I asked.
"What I did in the U.S. is my own business," he replied. "I will not comment on this. ... I can’t add any more details on this issue."

Cellebrite co-CEO Yossi Carmil also declined to comment on Thursday.
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Lutherf said:
I wonder if we'll get to find out whether all the fuss was over nothing or something. If they don't get anything useful it was a tremendous waste of time.
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Well, not really. The FBI was filling in an unknown either way.
 
Erod said:
Well, there went a selling point for Apple.
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Isn't an Apple a fruit? This isn't some new competitor for Android is it? ;)

jmotivator said:
Well, not really. The FBI was filling in an unknown either way.
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Agreed. A lead is never a waste of time and not all leads are instant evidence. Some don't pan out at all. There's no magic wand that the FBI waves to make every lead tangible.
Most investigations are like a puzzle that has had pieces from unrelated puzzles thrown in just for added fun. You don't know a piece is related or not without looking at it.
 
Mr Person said:
I'm pretty sure Apple knew how it could be done.

They were taking a moral stand in favor of privacy, and may they be praised for it.
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Do you know what a ****ing warrant is?



"Give me liberty or give me death" used to mean something.....the most important thing.
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Yes we know your iPhone password is worth potential jihad attacks going unthwarted because the FBI really wants your cat videos and dick picks, ****ing spare me! Tell us how exactly would apple cracking the phone, handing it back to the FBI, and not telling them how they did it, effected anyone's liberty whatsoever?
 
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Now Apple will spend lots of cash and manpower to figure out how to prevent this "backdoor" access from being possible in the future.
And...when the FBI or other agency needs to...they will again figure out how to gain entry. (Or, as is the case here, enlist the aid of someone else to gain entry)
 
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