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Bernie Sanders Crushes Hillary Clinton in Alaska, Washington and Hawaii

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I see this isn't the most popular bit of news on this board, or elsewhere. :2razz:

IMO, Uncle Bernie doesn't have a snowflake's chance in hell of beating HRC due to her super delegates. After the first 5 Primaries, it was easy to see that it was numerically impossible for Bernie to win, and it's only gotten worse for him since.
 
Crusdr57 said:
I see this isn't the most popular bit of news on this board, or elsewhere. :2razz:

IMO, Uncle Bernie doesn't have a snowflake's chance in hell of beating HRC due to her super delegates. After the first 5 Primaries, it was easy to see that it was numerically impossible for Bernie to win, and it's only gotten worse for him since.
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If he wins on State delegates (which is completely doable), the Super Delegates will pretty much have to follow, or they will split the party and hand the Republicans victory come November; it would be comparable to the GOP denying Trump the nom despite him handily winning it: i.e. political suicide.
 
There's tons of posts like this in the election forum.

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Sanders has a far more difficult path to the nomination, and even with his successes in Washington, Hawaii and Alaska, he remains a distinct underdog.

The next states to vote range along the north-east and through New England, including Clinton’s home state of New York, as Democrats hold “closed” primary elections that do not allow independent voters to participate. This is a major disadvantage for Sanders, who has won unaffiliated voters by huge margins in open primaries.

Furthermore, the Democratic party allows for “superdelegates”, party officials who vote at the Democratic National Convention but who are not bound to vote according to their states’ election results. Among those, Sanders trails Clinton by an estimated margin of 469 to 29, making his path to the nomination even more arduous.
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The bottom line is Sanders will need a miracle to beat Hillary. Thats reality. And I doubt he will win- he is making a good run for it and his supporters are certainly fanatical- but it wont be enough.
 
PoS said:
There's tons of posts like this in the election forum.

From the OP article:



The bottom line is Sanders will need a miracle to beat Hillary. Thats reality. And I doubt he will win- he is making a good run for it and his supporters are certainly fanatical- but it wont be enough.
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Again on State Delegates it's an uphill battle, but not to the extent that providence and divine intervention need apply; if you include Super Delegates that's more miracle territory, but again, Supers will follow State.
 
Surrealistik said:
Thought I'd throw it up because I haven't yet seen it posted:

Bernie Sanders crushes Hillary Clinton in Alaska, Washington and Hawaii | US news | The Guardian

Massive, dominant wins, including in a state like Hawaii that is filled with minorities, and at %s significantly higher than the targets Bernie needs to pull out the nomination. If he can keep this up, especially in the more heavily populated states, he can definitely clinch it.
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The election hinges on 2 states. California and New York.
 
Surrealistik said:
Again on State Delegates it's an uphill battle, but not to the extent that providence and divine intervention need apply; if you include Super Delegates that's more miracle territory, but again, Supers will follow State.
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95% of super delegates are siding with Hillary. Plus she will crush Sanders in big states lie NY and CA. Alaska and Hawaii have very few delegates compared to those places so his wins in those states was a drop in the bucket. The only way Sanders could win now is if Hillary is struck by lightning.
 
Surrealistik said:
Thought I'd throw it up because I haven't yet seen it posted:

Bernie Sanders crushes Hillary Clinton in Alaska, Washington and Hawaii | US news | The Guardian

Massive, dominant wins, including in a state like Hawaii that is filled with minorities, and at %s significantly higher than the targets Bernie needs to pull out the nomination. If he can keep this up, especially in the more heavily populated states, he can definitely clinch it.
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I think Sanders is a much better candidate than Clinton, but he won't end up with the nomination. There's too much stacked against him.
 
PoS said:
95% of super delegates are siding with Hillary. Plus she will crush Sanders in big states lie NY and CA. Alaska and Hawaii have very few delegates compared to those places so his wins in those states was a drop in the bucket. The only way Sanders could win now is if Hillary is struck by lightning.
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More than a little premature. Super delegates at this point count for exactly nothing until the State delegates are in, and whether Bernie wins the linchpin states, the ones that truly dictate whether or not he succeeds, is completely unknown. Further, it's not about what the wins in Alaska and Hawaii have concretely gained Bernie so much as what they imply going forward.
 
Surrealistik said:
Thought I'd throw it up because I haven't yet seen it posted:

Bernie Sanders crushes Hillary Clinton in Alaska, Washington and Hawaii | US news | The Guardian

Massive, dominant wins, including in a state like Hawaii that is filled with minorities, and at %s significantly higher than the targets Bernie needs to pull out the nomination. If he can keep this up, especially in the more heavily populated states, he can definitely clinch it.
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If he beats Clinton, it will become difficult. Unless kasich could swing a deal to fight off the two Republican schnucks to become nominee, I don't know whom one could seriously support and vote for in good conscience.
 
joG said:
If he beats Clinton, it will become difficult. Unless kasich could swing a deal to fight off the two Republican schnucks to become nominee, I don't know whom one could seriously support and vote for in good conscience.
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In the event Bernie wins? Easy choice for me, and I suspect many others in light of all the national level head to head polling I've seen where Bernie beats everyone handily, including Clinton.
 
PoS said:
95% of super delegates are siding with Hillary. Plus she will crush Sanders in big states lie NY and CA. Alaska and Hawaii have very few delegates compared to those places so his wins in those states was a drop in the bucket. The only way Sanders could win now is if Hillary is struck by lightning.
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Or by an indictment.
 
Surrealistik said:
More than a little premature. Super delegates at this point count for exactly nothing until the State delegates are in, and whether Bernie wins the linchpin states, the ones that truly dictate whether or not he succeeds, is completely unknown. Further, it's not about what the wins in Alaska and Hawaii have concretely gained Bernie so much as what they imply going forward.
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LOL youre living in a dreamworld if you think his wins in Alaska and Hawaii are somehow going to turn things around for him. Even his own staff admits he's a long shot. He cant win in big diverse states and he lost the Black vote. You Bernie supporters are hilarious.
 
Surrealistik said:
More than a little premature. Super delegates at this point count for exactly nothing until the State delegates are in, and whether Bernie wins the linchpin states, the ones that truly dictate whether or not he succeeds, is completely unknown. Further, it's not about what the wins in Alaska and Hawaii have concretely gained Bernie so much as what they imply going forward.
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Which linchpin states?
 
brothern said:
Which linchpin states?
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California and NY are the two largest coming up. If Bernie can win decisively in CA Hillary is in trouble and the party is going to have to explain the whole super delegates thing very carefully to their membership. It will be ugly.
 
clownboy said:
California and NY are the two largest coming up. If Bernie can win decisively in CA Hillary is in trouble and the party is going to have to explain the whole super delegates thing very carefully to their membership. It will be ugly.
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Bernie will not win in CA, Hillary's polling numbers is almost at a 10 point lead. She beat Obama in 2008 in CA. NY is her home state and she won that in 2008 too. Bernie is a goner.
 
Bernie had an advantage in mostly-white and caucus states. And Washington state is both. California and New York are neither.

If I were a betting man, I would place my money on June 8, the day after the California and several other primaries, as Sanders's drop-out date.
 
Surrealistik said:
More than a little premature. Super delegates at this point count for exactly nothing until the State delegates are in, and whether Bernie wins the linchpin states, the ones that truly dictate whether or not he succeeds, is completely unknown. Further, it's not about what the wins in Alaska and Hawaii have concretely gained Bernie so much as what they imply going forward.
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He's running out of caucus States and those are where he shines.
 
Phys251 said:
Bernie had an advantage in mostly-white and caucus states. And Washington state is both. California and New York are neither.

If I were a betting man, I would place my money on June 8, the day after the California and several other primaries, as Sanders's drop-out date.
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And then Bernie will stand proudly on Stage with Hillary in a united stance against the Republicans. One thing is clear, Bernie is NOT a spoiler even if some of his supporters wish he was.
 
PoS said:
Bernie will not win in CA, Hillary's polling numbers is almost at a 10 point lead. She beat Obama in 2008 in CA. NY is her home state and she won that in 2008 too. Bernie is a goner.
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Wasn't predicting he will. The question I was answering was which states are lynchpin. Btw, NY is her adopted home state.

She'll most likely win both. But hey, the other shoe hasn't dropped yet on Hillary.
 
PoS said:
LOL youre living in a dreamworld if you think his wins in Alaska and Hawaii are somehow going to turn things around for him. Even his own staff admits he's a long shot. He cant win in big diverse states and he lost the Black vote. You Bernie supporters are hilarious.
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I didn't say they were some kind of decisive, TSN turning point; my view is that they help advance his momentum which has steadily increased and Hawaii proves Bernie's appeal in states with large minority populations. Further, I do think that Bernie remains a longshot, and have said as much in this very thread. However, he does have a chance, and those wins underscore this. Again, if he can take CA and at least put a good showing in NY, while replicating some more of his recent successes elsewhere, he can take this just yet.

PoS said:
Bernie will not win in CA, Hillary's polling numbers is almost at a 10 point lead. She beat Obama in 2008 in CA. NY is her home state and she won that in 2008 too. Bernie is a goner.
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We'll see; I have no reason to admit defeat until it happens.

Phys251 said:
Bernie had an advantage in mostly-white and caucus states. And Washington state is both. California and New York are neither.

If I were a betting man, I would place my money on June 8, the day after the California and several other primaries, as Sanders's drop-out date.
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Hillary's still the obvious bet, but Hawaii proves that Bernie can win decisively even in states with massive minority populations.

I'm also not at all convinced by the Caucus argument.
 
iguanaman said:
And then Bernie will stand proudly on Stage with Hillary in a united stance against the Republicans. One thing is clear, Bernie is NOT a spoiler even if some of his supporters wish he was.
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I hope so. Some of Bernie's recent comments, and some of his disciples' fervor, have made me think otherwise.
 
iguanaman said:
And then Bernie will stand proudly on Stage with Hillary in a united stance against the Republicans. One thing is clear, Bernie is NOT a spoiler even if some of his supporters wish he was.
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Agreed, however, though Bernie himself isn't a spoiler, some of his supporters are. I don't believe a lot of his supporters will make the switch even if he endorses her. I live near a lot of them and they all tell me they are dropping out of this election if it's not Bernie, they just won't vote for Hillary come hell or high water.
 
The real story here is that Hillary is struggling mightily to beat a socialist nobody. Sanders was to be just sacrificial fodder to make this look like a legitimate Democratic primary. How many Democrats wanted to run for President that didn't because the Clinton machine, led by the Wasserman monster, probably warned them not to? Clinton buddy Mallory and a socialist corpse was all she was supposed to endure.
 
clownboy said:
Agreed, however, though Bernie himself isn't a spoiler, some of his supporters are. I don't believe a lot of his supporters will make the switch even if he endorses her. I live near a lot of them and they all tell me they are dropping out of this election if it's not Bernie, they just won't vote for Hillary come hell or high water.
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True, but the same goes for Trump.
 
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