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Georgia Governor Deal to veto "religious liberty" bill

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BREAKING: Nathan Deal vetoes Georgia’s ‘religious liberty’ bill | Political Insider blog :thumbs:

The two-term Republican has been besieged by all sides over the controversial measure, and his office has received thousands of emails and hundreds of calls on the debate. The tension was amplified by a steady stream of corporate titans who urged him to veto the bill – and threatened to pull investments from Georgia if it became law.

Georgia has lots of right-wingers who supported this bill, but it also has an enormous amount of corporate influence that lobbied fiercely against it. So Deal had to choose between two conservative gods: White Jesus, and the Almighty Dollar. This time, he chose the Almighty Dollar.

Still, he did the right thing, and in the end that's what matters.
 
Good, it was a horrible measure that would have had an economic impact. Deal did the right thing even though State Congressional Republicans will no doubt come up with another version in the next legislative session.
 
For once Nathan Deal did a good thing. Thankfully this nonsense won't become law. I can't even imagine what this would have done to my life.

Hopefully the threat's of ripping apart the Georgian economy scared enough people into not bringing up this nonsense anymore, and we won't have this embarrassment hanging over our state again.
 
For once Nathan Deal did a good thing. Thankfully this nonsense won't become law. I can't even imagine what this would have done to my life.

Hopefully the threat's of ripping apart the Georgian economy scared enough people into not bringing up this nonsense anymore, and we won't have this embarrassment hanging over our state again.

Unfortunately, we will. The same Congress and Senate which approved the bill this year will still be in office next year. And then, even if they do not pass the legislation or they pass it and he vetoes it again, every GOP gubernatorial candidate will use this piece of legislation as ammunition against Deal.

The only potential way to avoid that, if I had to predict, is that the Supreme Court or at least multiple regional courts take up cases against these types of legislation and strikes them down as unconstitutional. I just don't see that happening in such a brief time period, nor do I see the Supreme Court wading into this issue.
 
I'm glad he vetoed this, but it shows something that the citizenry needs to be more vigilant about: modern Christian thinking.

Modern Christians, particularly keep passing or trying to pass these bills, which would invoke the government's power to protect them in treating homosexuals as second class citizens. Because this is disgusting behavior by a religion, we apply the Muslim Rule, which necessarily leads us to the conclusion that all Christians are disgusting bigots.***





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*** Don't worry. I'm well aware that there are plenty of intellectually dishonest maneuvers already found on this boards, which attempt to draw a fake distinction that somehow makes it OK to apply group punishment to muslims, but not to any other group, especially American Christians.

The obscene hypocrisy in this fake distinction should still be pointed out at all opportunities.
 
For once Nathan Deal did a good thing. Thankfully this nonsense won't become law. I can't even imagine what this would have done to my life.

Hopefully the threat's of ripping apart the Georgian economy scared enough people into not bringing up this nonsense anymore, and we won't have this embarrassment hanging over our state again.

Unfortunately, we will. The same Congress and Senate which approved the bill this year will still be in office next year. And then, even if they do not pass the legislation or they pass it and he vetoes it again, every GOP gubernatorial candidate will use this piece of legislation as ammunition against Deal.

The only potential way to avoid that, if I had to predict, is that the Supreme Court or at least multiple regional courts take up cases against these types of legislation and strikes them down as unconstitutional. I just don't see that happening in such a brief time period, nor do I see the Supreme Court wading into this issue.

Well, this State has so much in the balance to consider here.

It took forever, but I did finally read through all the versions of this bill including the one now vetoed. There was a bit that became an interpretation issue but overall there was so much threat from various groups suggesting they would pull out of the State that the economics alone made Deal veto this. The veto of this bill has international attention, including a few sports outlets all for the same reason of what might get pulled from Atlanta and Georgia over this.

We already have response from several Republican members of Georgia's Congress saying they will bring this up again in the next session. Sadly, Georgia is going to have to go through all of this again early next year.

The Supreme Court on this sort of thing is going to be a problem so long as we end up with the potential for a 4-4 decision.
 
More on Gov. Deal's veto of the "Religious Freedom" bill

Gov. Nathan Deal kills Religious Freedom bill

Gov. Nathan Deal on Monday vetoed the controversial Religious Freedom bill, saying it "contains language that causes me concern."
“I do not think we have to discriminate against anyone to protect the faith-based community in Georgia of which I and my family have been part of all of our lives,” Deal said.
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“In light of our history, I find it ironic that today some in the religious community feel it necessary to ask government to confer upon them certain rights and protections,” Deal said. “If indeed our religious liberty is conferred by God and not by man-made government, we should need the 'hands-off' admonition of the First Amendment to our Constitution. When legislative bodies attempt to do otherwise, the inclusions and omissions in their statutes can lead to discrimination, even though it may be unintentional. That is too great a risk to take.”
 
Well, this State has so much in the balance to consider here.

It took forever, but I did finally read through all the versions of this bill including the one now vetoed. There was a bit that became an interpretation issue but overall there was so much threat from various groups suggesting they would pull out of the State that the economics alone made Deal veto this. The veto of this bill has international attention, including a few sports outlets all for the same reason of what might get pulled from Atlanta and Georgia over this.

We already have response from several Republican members of Georgia's Congress saying they will bring this up again in the next session. Sadly, Georgia is going to have to go through all of this again early next year.

The Supreme Court on this sort of thing is going to be a problem so long as we end up with the potential for a 4-4 decision.

it wasn't a problem even with scalia the anti gay tyrant there. It would be 5-3 at worse. If it happens again it will get vetoed again though i'm sure. They are just the worst losers ever and the christian persecution complex is really out of hand
 
I'm glad he vetoed this, but it shows something that the citizenry needs to be more vigilant about: modern Christian thinking.

Modern Christians, particularly keep passing or trying to pass these bills, which would invoke the government's power to protect them in treating homosexuals as second class citizens. Because this is disgusting behavior by a religion, we apply the Muslim Rule, which necessarily leads us to the conclusion that all Christians are disgusting bigots.***

yeah i wonder why trump doesn't invoke the muslim rule to ban christians from entering the country. You know, 'a few bad apples,' even though in georgia it's more like half the damn state

oh right, it's because unlike muslims, christians are the majority here so such a proposal would be death to any politician, proving how irrational their persecution complex is to begin with
 
For once Nathan Deal did a good thing. Thankfully this nonsense won't become law. I can't even imagine what this would have done to my life.

Hopefully the threat's of ripping apart the Georgian economy scared enough people into not bringing up this nonsense anymore, and we won't have this embarrassment hanging over our state again.

i doubt it, as the republicans vowed in both indiana and now georgia, they are all too happy to destroy their state financially, since the rural areas they represent (and not the state or constitution clearly) are already destroyed. They're perfectly fine with sinking atlanta down to that level
 
BREAKING: Nathan Deal vetoes Georgia’s ‘religious liberty’ bill | Political Insider blog :thumbs:



Georgia has lots of right-wingers who supported this bill, but it also has an enormous amount of corporate influence that lobbied fiercely against it. So Deal had to choose between two conservative gods: White Jesus, and the Almighty Dollar. This time, he chose the Almighty Dollar.

Still, he did the right thing, and in the end that's what matters.

A one pertinent fact that we learned from the OP is your overt racism.
 
A one pertinent fact that we learned from the OP is your overt racism.
:lamo

Go on, please. Elaborate on that absurd and incendiary statement. This ought to be good.
 
For once Nathan Deal did a good thing. Thankfully this nonsense won't become law. I can't even imagine what this would have done to my life.

Yeah. I can't imagine how awful it would be if you weren't able to Force a Religious Institution to marry you against their will. :roll:

This bill had already been gutted to abandon our rights of individual conscience.

The new version of the bill provides Religious Freedom Restoration Act levels of protection for certain protected persons, but it explicitly says these protections cannot apply in cases of “invidious discrimination.” Of course, no one is in favor of invidious discrimination, but the problem is that in the hands of a liberal judge, everything looks like invidious discrimination even when it is not, such as religious universities or adoption agencies that want their policies to reflect their teachings on marriage. This apes the bad “fix” that gutted the Indiana religious freedom bill.

What this “fix” means in practice is that if a new or existing law creating special legal privileges based on sexual orientation and gender identity conflicts with a sincere religious belief, the Georgia religious freedom bill may provide no protection—not even the standard balancing test that is the hallmark of religious freedom restoration acts. So in an area where we most need religious liberty protection, the new Georgia law goes out of its way to disclaim it.

The Georgia bill also provides First Amendment Defense Act-style protections with respect to beliefs about marriage for certain faith-based organizations. But here again, what it gives in one sentence, it takes away in another.

The new version of the bill adopts a very narrow definition of faith-based organizations, covering only churches, religious schools, and “integrated auxiliaries.” Indeed, Georgia’s constrained definition of religious organization mimics the one used by the Obama administration to force the Little Sisters of the Poor to help provide abortion-inducing drugs in their employee health plans because they don’t qualify for an exemption as a religious organization. Faith-based organizations come in all shapes and sizes, and there is no reason for Georgia to adopt such a cramped vision of religious organization.

But at least this thread and the responses to this bill are instructive: When liberals claim that they aren't out to trample over religious liberties by forcing everyone to acede to the New Wisdom, they are lying. You are absolutely willing to punish heretics, and stand opposed to any measure that would provide protections to those who dare dissent. Good to know.


And where is Bernie Sanders on this? I could have sworn he was really super upset about the influence of corporate power on American politics?
 
And where is Bernie Sanders on this? I could have sworn he was really super upset about the influence of corporate power on American politics?

Hes really upset about Wall Street, hes so upset hes going to tax them instead of fix the problems
 
Hes really upset about Wall Street, hes so upset hes going to tax them instead of fix the problems

I don't think they're upset about corporate speech. They're upset about corporate speech that they disagree with.
 
Interesting to see corporate influence playing a role here. Seems like right-wing religious politics are getting less and less of a pass in the business world. Sad that it had to come down to money though, and not human decency.

Oh well, whatever works to stop bigotry. :shrug:
 
Well, no. We shouldn't, for example, start murdering politicians who choose to protect anti-Christian bigotry. We should simply vote them out of office for betraying their oaths.

Huh? Who said anything about murder?

Biggest non-sequitur ever.
 
Yeah. I can't imagine how awful it would be if you weren't able to Force a Religious Institution to marry you against their will. :roll:

This bill had already been gutted to abandon our rights of individual conscience.



But at least this thread and the responses to this bill are instructive: When liberals claim that they aren't out to trample over religious liberties by forcing everyone to acede to the New Wisdom, they are lying. You are absolutely willing to punish heretics, and stand opposed to any measure that would provide protections to those who dare dissent. Good to know.


And where is Bernie Sanders on this? I could have sworn he was really super upset about the influence of corporate power on American politics?


You are correct, this does seem to be a case of "Do as I say and not as I do!" on Bernie's part. BUT, in this instance the corporate influence is a negative - they have said to Georgia, we will not spend money in your state if you pass this anti-gay bill. Bernie, and others are decrying the other side of corporate influence, those times when a corporation pours money into politics.

One case (Georgia) you get no money if you don't do what they say

Second case (all of the US) they give money, now you do what they want

Which creates the worst outcome for the greatest number of citizens?
 
Huh? Who said anything about murder?

Biggest non-sequitur ever.

You stated "Whatever Works". I was saying, no, there are limits to acceptable political behavior.
 
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