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Pakistan explosion death toll rises to 63

Grant said:
I understand it very well.

Do you really believe their intended targets were other than Christians celebrating Easter? Every time a Muslim tries to defend this sort of behavior, or distance themselves from it, or deflect from it, they just expose their innate craziness further.

When are Muslim leaders going to issue fatwas against these religious fanatics?
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ISIL militants have been killing every kind of human in the ME regardless of their religion or race....
 
Medusa said:
ISIL militants have been killing every kind of human in the ME regardless of their religion or race....
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yes, these Muslims are as crazy as batdung also. The question is, what is the Muslim world going to do about it, apart from disclaiming ownership?

If you belong to the Nazi Party, the KKK, The Fascist parry, or any criminal organization, you are a part of it or you get out. The human brain was to be washed, shampooed and blown dry before anything in this religion would make sense. Rationalizing the murder of innocent human beings borders on the criminally insane.
 
Medusa said:
thread is not about muslims! stop changing the topic
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It's kind of hard to avoid mentioning Muslims or Islam:

“It was our people (members of Jamaat ul-Ahrar, an Islamist group) who attacked the Christians in Lahore, celebrating Easter,” the spokesman, Ehsanullah Ehsan, said. “It’s our message to the government that we will carry out such attacks again until sharia [Islamic law :shock:] is imposed in the country.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...e49d32-f42e-11e5-958d-d038dac6e718_story.html
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Harry Guerrilla said:
Pakistan should be partitioned.
Give the people back their cultural identities and maybe that will help reduce the violence.
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That wouldn't stop the Islamists in other parts of the world. The planet would have to be partitioned.
 
Medusa said:
ISIL militants have been killing every kind of human in the ME regardless of their religion or race....
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No, if you follow their version of Islam you might get a pass. It depends on whether or not they like you.
 
Grant said:
That wouldn't stop the Islamists in other parts of the world. The planet would have to be partitioned.
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Well, I tend to disagree.
Look at the Turks, Kazakhs, Kurds, etc.

They tend to eschew this type of fanaticism, when they have states where they are culturally congruent.
Pakistan was a made up state to block Soviet influence in India.
There are too many competing cultures within Pakistan.
 
Grant said:
I understand it very well.

Do you really believe their intended targets were other than Christians celebrating Easter? Every time a Muslim tries to defend this sort of behavior, or distance themselves from it, or deflect from it, they just expose their innate craziness further.

When are Muslim leaders going to issue fatwas against these religious fanatics?
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You know, this kind of stuff is not hard to find.

Prominent Muslim Sheikh Issues Fatwa Against ISIS Violence : NPR

70,000 Indian Muslim clerics issue fatwa against Isis, the Taliban, al-Qaeda and other terror groups | Asia | News | The Independent

Saudi clerics declare Isis terrorism a 'heinous crime' under sharia law | World news | The Guardian
 
Medusa said:
this thread is not about islam .start a thread in religion politics forum if you want to discuss this
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OK, an electric current was run through a container of unstable compound causing a rapid gas expansion which propelled ferrous materials rapidly through extant biological material, rendering it inert.
 
Kobie said:
You know, this kind of stuff is not hard to find.

Prominent Muslim Sheikh Issues Fatwa Against ISIS Violence : NPR

70,000 Indian Muslim clerics issue fatwa against Isis, the Taliban, al-Qaeda and other terror groups | Asia | News | The Independent

Saudi clerics declare Isis terrorism a 'heinous crime' under sharia law | World news | The Guardian
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That's very encouraging. Useless, but at least it's been mentioned. Now they should issue fatwas against those who hate Jews, Gays and Women and real progress might be made.
 
Ahlevah said:
Muslims in Lahore Pakistan celebrating Easter? Yeah, I suppose there might have been a few, just like the six Muslim Pakistanis killed in the twin towers on 9/11/2001 who were just trying to make a living or otherwise go on about their daily lives. The common thread is the perpetrators were Muslim.
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Please actually read the material. The bomb was aimed at Pakistani Christians celebrating Easter Sunday.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Please actually read the material. The bomb was aimed at Pakistani Christians celebrating Easter Sunday.
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Please actually read my original post and you will see that I made exactly the same point you are. What I was responding to was the idea that in a nation that's 95%-plus Muslim there might have been some Muslim victims at the park.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Well, I tend to disagree.
Look at the Turks, Kazakhs, Kurds, etc. They tend to eschew this type of fanaticism, when they have states where they are culturally congruent.
Pakistan was a made up state to block Soviet influence in India.
There are too many competing cultures within Pakistan.
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Yes, not all Muslims are terrorists but the problem is that there are a significant number who are or who sympathize with them or make excuses for them. It's well past time that people begin calling out this religion for what it is and not concern themselves with charges of "Islamophobia" or any such nonsense. This craziness must stop or there will serious long term suffering for a good many innocent people.
 
Grant said:
Yes, not all Muslims are terrorists but the problem is that there are a significant number who are or who sympathize with them or make excuses for them. It's well past time that people begin calling out this religion for what it is and not concern themselves with charges of "Islamophobia" or any such nonsense. This craziness must stop or there will serious long term suffering for a good many innocent people.
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I don't disagree with that.
Just saying that some of issues that underlie why fundies exist are more complicated that just the religion itself.
Criticizing Islam should not automatically infer cries of "Islamophobia."
 
Medusa said:
thread is not about muslims! stop changing the topic
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Yep. It is.

In particular it's about radical Muslims slaughtering Christians. Mostly women and children. At a kid's park.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
There are too many competing cultures within Pakistan.
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I agree to some extent. Pakistan is an amalgamation of many different tribes/ethnic groups that don't always see eye to eye. On the other hand, the Taliban are evidence that where grass grows you also get weeds. Their caveman form of Islam pretty much dominated Afghanistan and its tribal political system through force, and they don't appear to be giving up even though we connected with a baseball bat and thought we knocked them out of the park.
 
RetiredUSN said:
The thread is about Islam due to the nature of the attack and who did it. There cannot be a bombing without a "bomber" and a reason behind it. It is self evident.
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Don't we all long for the good ol' days when the crazies were Irish, German and Japanese terrorists???? :peace
 
Kobie said:
You know, this kind of stuff is not hard to find.

Prominent Muslim Sheikh Issues Fatwa Against ISIS Violence : NPR

70,000 Indian Muslim clerics issue fatwa against Isis, the Taliban, al-Qaeda and other terror groups | Asia | News | The Independent

Saudi clerics declare Isis terrorism a 'heinous crime' under sharia law | World news | The Guardian
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People need to realize how important it is which sect of Islam we're talking about. Those 70,000 clerics were sufis who make up a very small percentage of the world's Muslim population. They are on the margins of Islam. It's Sunnis who matter, and except for delivering the odd obligatory condemnation for political expediency, are doing absolutely nothing to stop the carnage.
 
Ahlevah said:
Don't forget to mention the Americans, like Obama's friends. ;)
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rank amateurs compared to the IRA, bader mienhof, red army....

the IRA is blamed for a round 1800 deaths, and many 'real' Americans poured millions of dollars in aid to these international terrorists.

baader mienhof- a sad second to the IRA- less than 50 murdered- guess without Americans pouring in cash European terrorists don't do very well.

The Japanese Red Army- Lod Airport massacre 26 dead 80 wounded. Bombing Mitsubishi HQ with 8 dead 376 wounded. Took hostages at US consulate to free a prisoner, hijacked a plane to free another prisoner... oh a different group did the subway sarin gas thing...

yeah ours are light weights compared to the Irish, Germans and Japanese... :peace
 
notquiteright said:
rank amateurs compared to the IRA, bader mienhof, red army....the IRA is blamed for a round 1800 deaths, and many 'real' Americans poured millions of dollars in aid to these international terrorists. baader mienhof- a sad second to the IRA- less than 50 murdered- guess without Americans pouring in cash European terrorists don't do very well. The Japanese Red Army- Lod Airport massacre 26 dead 80 wounded. Bombing Mitsubishi HQ with 8 dead 376 wounded. Took hostages at US consulate to free a prisoner, hijacked a plane to free another prisoner... oh a different group did the subway sarin gas thing...yeah ours are light weights compared to the Irish, Germans and Japanese... :peace
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Yeah, it's the fault of the Americans again. What is it about the millions of people who emigrate to that country and then create international problems? Something in the water maybe?

Or perhaps Progressives are just clueless. Could be any number of things.
 
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