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Trump protester sucker-punched by supporter in brutal video of Tucson rally

Caine said:
I think I'm done.
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Damned straight you are. As soon as you get asked to prove your false claims you cut and run. Rather common

You are all about one liners and splitting hairs to try to aggravate and annoy people.
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As opposed to making false accusations and then when confronted cutting and running?

I am eagerly awaiting the day you receive 30 active points and get banned from this site so the rest of us can go back to not being annoyed.
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I have 3 points total. I've been here 5 years. Good luck with that. I'm betting you are way closer to 30 than me..
 
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Mr Person said:
That's interesting. I don't see either position in the post I was responding to, which was:




Not once do you condemn the violence. Not once do you say so much as that they are guilty of assault. The entire thing is victim-blaming.

Kinda strange to spend all your effort on blaming the people who got punched if your position is that they shouldn't have been assaulted, isn't it?
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That's what he does. Then he claims because the victim was wearing a hood that you are supporting the KKK because you dare question the violent assault.

He will run again. It's what he does.
 
Caine said:
Do I really have to state that people who commit violence are guilty of said violence in every post I make on this issue?
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If you spend 200 words on why it makes perfect sense for someone to punch someone else, then yes, you should probably pay a little attention to making sure you aren't actually supporting the punch.

Although I usually object to slicing up a quote, I'm doing it here, because the rest are just plain weasel words.



There's just not excuse.

Trump has been encouraging violence and violence has been happening at Trump rallies. (And only Trump rallies). Don't blame the victim.
 
Caine said:
The idea that someone's illegal action is both understandable and yet still wrong isn't exactly new.
I mean, it is the reason why we have some guys who murder their child's rapist get away with it, while others get convicted in this country.
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Actually, that's not entirely accurate.

If they catch the guy in the act and deadly force is necessary to stop the rape, then they'll be acquitted. But usually, the best thing they get is manslaughter under the "heat of passion" defense.

If they go hunting for the guy, it's murder, and juries convict.
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haymarket said:
The first impulse from who?

I was describing the 'thought process' (if one could call it that) of the far right believer.
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Everyone's first impulse is that "leftwing bad - thus anything that hurts them is good."
We're back where we started.
Looks like you're the odd man out.
 
Mr Person said:
If you spend 200 words on why it makes perfect sense for someone to punch someone else, then yes, you should probably pay a little attention to making sure you aren't actually supporting the punch.

Although I usually object to slicing up a quote, I'm doing it here, because the rest are just plain weasel words.



There's just not excuse.

Trump has been encouraging violence and violence has been happening at Trump rallies. (And only Trump rallies). Don't blame the victim.
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Do you think context is important when considering ones words?

The reason why I ask is that I DO believe that context is important.

And Donald Trump advocated violence not just to be violent, but in response to someone throwing a tomato at other people. He advocated violence to prevent an assault.

Now, if you are a pacifist who believes that violence should never be used, EVER. Then there is no reconciliation between the two of us on this matter.

However, if you believe, as I do, that sometimes one has to use force to prevent a crime in defense of self or others; then I don't see where you can claim, objectively, that he was entirely wrong in his statement.

EDIT: I figured I might as well add that you apparently ignored most of one of my previous posts regarding why violence is happening only at Trump rallies and not other rallies. And the two categories (Trump Rallies Vs "Other" Rallies) have one major difference. The type of protest and the maginitude of its effect on the rally.

To pretend the protesters at Trump rallies and the (if you can even call it) protesters at other rallies are comparable is being blind to reality.
 
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Mr Person said:
Actually, that's not entirely accurate.

If they catch the guy in the act and deadly force is necessary to stop the rape, then they'll be acquitted. But usually, the best thing they get is manslaughter under the "heat of passion" defense.

If they go hunting for the guy, it's murder, and juries convict.
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I wasn't interested in parsing words whether it be murder or manslaughter, etc. I guess with the way our conversations have been going I should have done so.

However,
Juries nullify cases like this as well. And they do it because they empathize with the circumstances behind a person's actions, even if they violated the law.
 
bubbabgone said:
Everyone's first impulse is that "leftwing bad - thus anything that hurts them is good."
We're back where we started.
Looks like you're the odd man out.
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What language is that because it sure makes no sense in English.
 
Caine said:
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To pretend the protesters at Trump rallies and the (if you can even call it) protesters at other rallies are comparable is being blind to reality.
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To pretend that the racist demagogue named Trump isn't inciting violence is far worse. Someone is going to get hurt. Oh wait. Too late.
 
Excon said:
Oh gawd!
The fact that you believe that speaks volumes.

Prove your above assertion.
Show these so-called several times.


The fact that you know they are a left leaning rag yet hold them out as some virtue of the truth is hilarious.
Get a clue. When they have to spin things to make it a lie they are not being honest.
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Just by calling it left leaning because so many RW statements are called out................But then maybe it means most RW BS are lies...........Ever think of it that way?

You might want to read thru it and make up your own mind rather than having others do your thinking for you........
 
haymarket said:
What language is that because it sure makes no sense in English.
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You said "Its the knee jerk reaction...... leftwing bad - thus anything that hurts them is good."
I agreed with you that people do automatically assume the leftwing is bad and you still won't accept it.
You're very hard to get along with.
 
bubbabgone said:
You said "Its the knee jerk reaction...... leftwing bad - thus anything that hurts them is good."
I agreed with you that people do automatically assume the leftwing is bad and you still won't accept it.
You're very hard to get along with.
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It is precisely that feature that makes me so adorable. :mrgreen::2wave:
 
imyoda said:
Excon said:
imyoda said:
Trump made the "pay the legal fees" several times at several different "rallies"......each one slightly different.......
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Prove your above assertion.
Show these so-called several times.


The fact that you know they are a left leaning rag yet hold them out as some virtue of the truth is hilarious.
Get a clue. When they have to spin things to make it a lie they are not being honest.
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Just by calling it left leaning because so many RW statements are called out................But then maybe it means most RW BS are lies...........Ever think of it that way?

You might want to read thru it and make up your own mind rather than having others do your thinking for you........
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So you failed to substantiate your claim and now engage in deflection. Figures.


Secondly no one should rely on politifact to do their thinking for them as you have done, especially since it is known that they spin reality to arrive at their conclusions.
 
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