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Donald Trump protesters block traffic in Arizona[W:72]

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they would have really pissed off people, if it was a weekday and people were on their way to the mayo clinic.
 
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Nope. Even a pedophile or a terrorist is worthy of rights.

Respect, however, is an entirely different matter.

so that means you don't respect other peoples rights and their exercise, if they make you mad?
 
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so that means you don't respect other peoples rights and their exercise, if they make you mad?

Restate your question please--we may sincerely be talking past each other.

they would have really pissed off people, if it was a weekday and people were on their way to the mayo clinic.

So privileged people's one-time convenience trumps the lifetime well-being of the disenfranchised?
 
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Restate your question please--we may sincerely be talking past each other.

question?...do you respect others people rights and them exercising them, even though their exercise makes you mad?




So privileged people's one-time convenience trumps the lifetime well-being of the disenfranchised?

people have a right to travel thru the privilege of roads, and if i had to be at mayo for at doctors visit or procedure i want to make sure i get there, you seem to think desires outweighs rights
 
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Except a for a ambulance with a possible dying patient.............right?

Or a fire truck trying to get to a fire?

Typical.

On another forum I brought up this exact point and they said that those individuals wouldn't mind. I had to quit that forum's debate sections because of course I did.
 
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What's next, blocking peoples way to the voting booth? Hey, they might just prevent you from getting there as well.
I'd hate to say it but I seriously think these protesters would try it. Like those Black Panthers who were trying to intimidate voters.
 
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This is just the stimulus Trump's campaign needed. A gentle reminder to the electorate of Occupy Wall Street, BLM, and all the left-wing protesters who clutter up city streets.

That is what I am afraid of. I don't want Trump as a candidate. I will vote for him if the choice is Clinton or Trump.
 
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"It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance".TS


run don run
 
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Well, as I've stated in other threads, every incident attributed to Trump has been orchestrated by the opposition.

Here we see an example of people willing to violate the rights of others in order to enforce their own ideologies...something they keep trying to tar the Trump campaign with.

We don't like Trump soooo let's violate freedom of expression, movement, association, etc. because: "Freedom!" :doh

This is why I believe when it comes to election time Trump is going to do a lot better than his opposition expects. Most people don't appreciate this kind of "Our rights to express ourselves trump your rights every day of the week" attitude.

Every incident? How about Trump attacking people verbally all the time? Is that the fault of the opposition too? Because I have heard him attack the media time and time again in speeches, is that orchestrated by the opposition too?

The reasons for a lot of these incidents are caused by people opposing the discourse Trump unleashes in his rallies every time, but nobody from the opposition made Trump supporters spit, push, sucker punch, etc. etc. etc. So to blame them for the horrible behavior of Trump supporters and Trump himself is not right IMHO, people still are responsible for their own actions now aren't they.

That is the problem with both sides, people have no self control anymore, take responsibility for their own actions or know the meaning of boundaries. One of these boundaries is not spitting in people's faces, not sucker punching people, not pushing, pulling, violently screaming in faces. A fair bit of this comes from Trump supporters but the people protesting Trump need to be civilized too, screaming in the faces of Trump supporters is also not acceptable. Self control and self respect as well as the respect for others has been massively lacking in this whole process. Some of that is due to the underhanded tactics of the protesters but some of it is also down to Trump supporters and their vitriolic candidate who stirs the pot in ways that are very un-presidential.

Trump violates freedom of expression when he bans journalists who are critical of him, lashes out at someone like Megyn Kelly because she asks him a question he dislikes, he actively calls for violence against protesters. That is not violating people? People protest, campaigns need to deal with that in a respectful way.

And since when has Trump's freedom to express himself, his movement, right to associate been infringed upon in a serious manner? Once at a Chicago rally maybe? Ever counted the number of times Trump has been free to express himself on TV? On campaign stops? Phoning in to shows? If there is one person who has been given every possible opportunity to express himself then it is Donald Trump.

And FYI, the other side also has the right to express themselves and their right to express themselves is equal to the Trump supporters rights to express themselves. But as a whole your rights do not trump the rights of all the other voters, you are quite wrong in that. They have equal rights to that as well, and I think most of them will express that right in the voting booths when they vote one of the most unpopular presidential candidates of all times right out of the park.

Also, Trump first has to win the nomination and seeing/hearing about the dirty tricks the RNC is planning against him, frankly I am not a 100% sure that he will even become the republican presidential nominee.

PS. I disagree with blocking traffic to disrupt a political rally, people need to be free to get to the campaign meeting but from what I see most Trump supporters stand in line for hours to get into one so how disruptive it is, frankly I do not know but I am very negative about the disruption this causes for all other people on the road. So protesters, piss off from the streets, they are for traffic, not protesters.
 
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Every incident? How about Trump attacking people verbally all the time?

You do understand the difference between words and deeds, right? Words only have the power you give them over you. Actions speak louder than words.

Every incident? How about Trump attacking people verbally all the time? The reasons for a lot of these incidents are caused by people opposing the discourse Trump unleashes in his rallies every time, but nobody from the opposition made Trump supporters spit, push, sucker punch, etc. etc. etc. So to blame them for the horrible behavior of Trump supporters and Trump himself is not right IMHO, people still are responsible for their own actions now aren't they.

Exactly where did almost all of these Trump supporter responses occur? Oh yeah; INSIDE his rented rally locations. If you think the same thing has never happened in similar circumstances in just about any campaign where protestors go to disrupt the process then you really better re-think your position. Like I've said in the past, if you intentionally poke a hornet's nest, why blame the hornets for stinging you? :shrug:

That is the problem with both sides, people have no self control anymore, take responsibility for their own actions or know the meaning of boundaries. One of these boundaries is not spitting in people's faces, not sucker punching people, not pushing, pulling, violently screaming in faces. A fair bit of this comes from Trump supporters but the people protesting Trump need to be civilized too, screaming in the faces of Trump supporters is also not acceptable. Self control and self respect as well as the respect for others has been massively lacking in this whole process. Some of that is due to the underhanded tactics of the protesters but some of it is also down to Trump supporters and their vitriolic candidate who stirs the pot in ways that are very un-presidential.

I think most of Trump's supporters exercised great control. Look at the last incident, the old guy who walked along the row to sucker punch the protester. I didn't agree with it, as there was no need. However, it was ONE person in a crowd of supporters, most of whom just watched and maybe jeered as the protester was escorted out. We can point to violent acts of protesters during the prior incidents when they entered his rallies to stir up trouble.

Trump violates freedom of expression when he bans journalists who are critical of him, lashes out at someone like Megyn Kelly because she asks him a question he dislikes, he actively calls for violence against protesters. That is not violating people? People protest, campaigns need to deal with that in a respectful way.

Sorry, I guess you don't understand the difference between free press rights and privacy rights. When a person rents a venue here in the USA, it is no longer a "public" venue. The renter has property rights and can decide who can and cannot remain on the property. If he was holding a public rally on public property with simple permission, then any reporter can go a report to their hearts content. Understand the difference?

And since when has Trump's freedom to express himself, his movement, right to associate been infringed upon in a serious manner? Once at a Chicago rally maybe? Ever counted the number of times Trump has been free to express himself on TV? On campaign stops? Phoning in to shows? If there is one person who has been given every possible opportunity to express himself then it is Donald Trump.

Every time someone has entered a rally to try to disrupt the process; rushing up in attempts to take his mike, coming in with bags of tomatoes to throw, chanting and marching and trying to cause trouble inside the rally venue, that's when.

And FYI, the other side also has the right to express themselves and their right to express themselves is equal to the Trump supporters rights to express themselves. But as a whole your rights do not trump the rights of all the other voters, you are quite wrong in that. They have equal rights to that as well, and I think most of them will express that right in the voting booths when they vote one of the most unpopular presidential candidates of all times right out of the park.

You have a right to express yourself, but NOT to a right to block access, prevent freedom to associate, or try to silence someone else's right to express themselves by entering a venue bought an paid for by the party you oppose with intent to disrupt the proceedings. :shrug:
 
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You do understand the difference between words and deeds, right? Words only have the power you give them over you. Actions speak louder than words.



Exactly where did almost all of these Trump supporter responses occur? Oh yeah; INSIDE his rented rally locations. If you think the same thing has never happened in similar circumstances in just about any campaign where protestors go to disrupt the process then you really better re-think your position. Like I've said in the past, if you intentionally poke a hornet's nest, why blame the hornets for stinging you? :shrug:



I think most of Trump's supporters exercised great control. Look at the last incident, the old guy who walked along the row to sucker punch the protester. I didn't agree with it, as there was no need. However, it was ONE person in a crowd of supporters, most of whom just watched and maybe jeered as the protester was escorted out. We can point to violent acts of protesters during the prior incidents when they entered his rallies to stir up trouble.



Sorry, I guess you don't understand the difference between free press rights and privacy rights. When a person rents a venue here in the USA, it is no longer a "public" venue. The renter has property rights and can decide who can and cannot remain on the property. If he was holding a public rally on public property with simple permission, then any reporter can go a report to their hearts content. Understand the difference?



Every time someone has entered a rally to try to disrupt the process; rushing up in attempts to take his mike, coming in with bags of tomatoes to throw, chanting and marching and trying to cause trouble inside the rally venue, that's when.



You have a right to express yourself, but NOT to a right to block access, prevent freedom to associate, or try to silence someone else's right to express themselves by entering a venue bought an paid for by the party you oppose with intent to disrupt the proceedings. :shrug:

hey now, common sense come-on where is that going to get you?
 
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Yeah, people who hate Trump should not act like Trump followers...

When did Trump followers block traffic?
 
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Brighter than Trump supporters, who violently attack non-Trump supporters for no reason at all.

What do you suppose the actual percentage of Trump supporters that is? There has been more violence by Bernie supporters.
 
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Does this really warrant a response? Are you comparing Trump supporters with the Brits, and these fine protesters, who are standing in the way of free assembly, with colonialists?



It is not a moral judgement to make, both have the same rights. As much as Trump and everything around him disgusts me, their right to protest is enshrined in the formation of the nation.
 
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Nothing wrong with non-violent civil disobedience to draw attention to issues.

Is that your opinion if the target was a Hillary or Sanders rally?

Are the protesters rights more important than those who disagree with them?

I actually had to delay my trip back to the valley because of these people and their "draw attention to issues". Missed doctor appointment with a specialist.
 
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Half the country is also below the national mean IQ as well.

wrong half though
 
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ABC Action News ~ Donald Trump protesters block traffic in Arizona



Seriously? Blocking traffic on a road that leads into a town so that people can't get to work, grocery store etc etc just to try and deny Trump some rally supporters. How stupid can they get?

It was apparent from the news feeds that this was actually relatively few people who managed to stop their vehicles on a major thoroughfare in Arizona and disrupt a populace considerably larger than those planning to attend Trump's rally. It is amazing how such a fringe minority of liberal (or socialist) activists, with their fragile and meaningless causes, are so afraid that if they allow Trump and his supporters their first amendment rights, their shallow agenda will be revealed and everyone will learn that the Emperor of liberal causes has no clothes.
 
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Poor thread title taken from an ambiguous headline. I first read it as 'pro-Trump protesters' blocked traffic which would have met the man-bites-dog criterion as being news. When we get in fact is just routine lefty hooliganism.
 
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It is quite ironic that we have heard Trump's name innumerable times in regards to this event, yet we really have no idea what the protestors hoped to accomplish. Who were they? What was their message? Or were they just attempting to be disruptive? I suspect that many more of the locals were annoyed by the disruption than were influenced by it. What a feeble waste of effort. Maybe they should have stayed home collecting their unemployment checks or studying how best to avoid deportation...that would have been a fruitful endeavor.
 
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Hey, at least they weren't pointing guns at federal officers like the Bundies...

Or terrorizing the local population by setting up armed checkpoints and such....

"....we are not to pull over civilians without, you know, reasonable cause...."



:screwy
 
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Moderator's Warning:
This thread is about trump and protestors against trump. Anything else is derailing the thread. Stick to the topic.
 
Remember that time Conservatives blocked the road to the Hillary rally?...me neither
 
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What do you suppose the actual percentage of Trump supporters that is? There has been more violence by Bernie supporters.

Yea, if you use Trump as your only source for that opinion.

BTW, you do know that Trump is a blustering and bull****ting bully, right?
 
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Is that your opinion if the target was a Hillary or Sanders rally?

Are the protesters rights more important than those who disagree with them?

I actually had to delay my trip back to the valley because of these people and their "draw attention to issues". Missed doctor appointment with a specialist.

Very sorry to learn this.

From Daily Kos on a different topic (guns):

You may have the right to freely swing your arms, but I have the right to keep the shape of my nose, so the limits of that freedom for you are at the point of my nose.

Those who insist upon their rights being absolute and unfettered even at the expense of the liberty and safety of others are to my mind sociopathic. Your rights end at the point of my nose
 
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