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South Carolina, New York State Consider Refugee Registries

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While Republican front-runner Donald Trump continues to make waves nationally for his comments about banning Muslims from traveling to the country, lawmakers in two very different states are proposing that all refugees register with the government.

Registration bills are being proposed in both New York State and in South Carolina, where if refugees commit an act of terrorism, their sponsors, under the bill, could be held liable.

The South Carolina lawmakers say they are less concerned about a possible constitutional challenge than a possible terrorist threat coming to the state.

Opponents, however, say the measure is out of character for a state that often espouses the importance of Christian hospitality and loving your neighbor.

"I want us to be who we have always been — a welcoming people," said Sen. Kevin Johnson, D-Manning, who is helping lead the fight against the bill.

Sponsoring Sen. Kevin Bryant said the bill has three components: a registry of all refugees; civil liability for sponsors of refugees from counties considered state sponsors of terror by the federal government (currently Iran, Sudan and Syria) for crimes committed by refugees; a prohibition on the state spending any money on refugees and their families.

Bryant said the goal of the bill is to protect people's safety. Nearly 850 refugees from a number of countries in Europe, Africa and the Middle East have come to South Carolina since 2010, with 87 arriving since last summer. The Anderson Republican said if only one of them were to conduct a terrorist attack it would be devastating.

Instead, he said people in South Carolina can show their compassion by giving to relief organizations that help refugees elsewhere.

"Why should we bring one refugee here when we could spend the same money and help 10 in their part of the world?" Bryant said.

A challenge to the South Carolina law is likely because the law singles people out by county of origin and seems bent toward discriminating against Muslims, said Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations.

"If it is not illegal, it is at least un-American," Hooper said.

South Carolina senators debated the bill Wednesday and Thursday and would likely come back to it next Tuesday. Bryant is talking to Democrats about tweaking the proposal to allow some state money to be spent on refugee families, like for public education.

South Carolina, New York State Consider Refugee Registries - ABC News
 
While Republican front-runner Donald Trump continues to make waves nationally for his comments about banning Muslims from traveling to the country, lawmakers in two very different states are proposing that all refugees register with the government.

Registration bills are being proposed in both New York State and in South Carolina, where if refugees commit an act of terrorism, their sponsors, under the bill, could be held liable.

The South Carolina lawmakers say they are less concerned about a possible constitutional challenge than a possible terrorist threat coming to the state.

Opponents, however, say the measure is out of character for a state that often espouses the importance of Christian hospitality and loving your neighbor.

"I want us to be who we have always been — a welcoming people," said Sen. Kevin Johnson, D-Manning, who is helping lead the fight against the bill.

Sponsoring Sen. Kevin Bryant said the bill has three components: a registry of all refugees; civil liability for sponsors of refugees from counties considered state sponsors of terror by the federal government (currently Iran, Sudan and Syria) for crimes committed by refugees; a prohibition on the state spending any money on refugees and their families.

Bryant said the goal of the bill is to protect people's safety. Nearly 850 refugees from a number of countries in Europe, Africa and the Middle East have come to South Carolina since 2010, with 87 arriving since last summer. The Anderson Republican said if only one of them were to conduct a terrorist attack it would be devastating.

Instead, he said people in South Carolina can show their compassion by giving to relief organizations that help refugees elsewhere.

"Why should we bring one refugee here when we could spend the same money and help 10 in their part of the world?" Bryant said.

A challenge to the South Carolina law is likely because the law singles people out by county of origin and seems bent toward discriminating against Muslims, said Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations.

"If it is not illegal, it is at least un-American," Hooper said.

South Carolina senators debated the bill Wednesday and Thursday and would likely come back to it next Tuesday. Bryant is talking to Democrats about tweaking the proposal to allow some state money to be spent on refugee families, like for public education.

South Carolina, New York State Consider Refugee Registries - ABC News

I suggest that they try that (bolded above) concept first with those granted probation and parole by their state's employees. The recidivism statistics are far worse for those folks than for folks granted political asylum.
 
I suggest that they try that (bolded above) concept first with those granted probation and parole by their state's employees. The recidivism statistics are far worse for those folks than for folks granted political asylum.
What are your sources on the two "recidivism" rates?
 
How can anyone without an ulterior motive be against this?
 
What are your sources on the two "recidivism" rates?

The recidivism rate for suicide terror attacks is zero. The reason for wanting to hold others (financially?) accountable is rather obvious - is it not? The reason for granting convicts early release (or probation instead of jail time) is also obvious - it may cost a future victim (or two) more but it saves the state money.
 
The recidivism rate for suicide terror attacks is zero. The reason for wanting to hold others (financially?) accountable is rather obvious - is it not? The reason for granting convicts early release (or probation instead of jail time) is also obvious - it may cost a future victim (or two) more but it saves the state money.
All terrorists are not solely suicide attackers. Some are the plotters, some are into logistics, some are trainers, some are recruiters, some are the dummies that actually carry out the mission.. all working towards creating terror.

So, your formulation presumes that the states are just in this for the money, correct?
 
I just wish that not so great Governor Jerry Brown would get behind this idea in California. We are after all taking in more refugees than any other state, so we have the most to lose if some of these refugees turn out to be Isis supporters.
 
How can anyone without an ulterior motive be against this?

If someone buys your gun and then commits a murder....
 
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