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Before they were called Muslims, they were Arabs and lived in the ME almost 4,000 years before Christianity came along....
There were many tribes wandering around but Islam still showed up last. Why do Muslims believe they should have control of the Middle East when it is the earlier home of Jews and Christians? In reality it should all be Jewish land.
 
Yes, and they came in that order as well, but now Muslims claim the Middle East as their own.

How did that happen?

Nobody else wanted it until oil was discovered there.
 
There were many tribes wandering around but Islam still showed up last. Why do Muslims believe they should have control of the Middle East when it is the earlier home of Jews and Christians? In reality it should all be Jewish land.

What's your guess? Why was there almost no christians and only a handful of Jews in the ME 'till, oh, 1935 or so?
 
What's your guess? Why was there almost no christians and only a handful of Jews in the ME 'till, oh, 1935 or so?
I don't have to guess. The stats are available to both of us. If you don't know anything about the area or its history why are you involving yourself in the debate?
 
I don't have to guess. The stats are available to both of us. If you don't know anything about the area or its history why are you involving yourself in the debate?

Okay, I'll tell you. Before WW2, the non Muslim population of the Middle East as a whole was statisticalty insignificant. They were pretty much all confined to Palestine and there, Jews and Christians combined were a fraction of Muslims.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Palestine

Nobody else wanted the God-forsaken (okay, awkward word) place.
 
In fact many Jews, Christians and many people of other faiths were living in the Middle East. Why should it be Muslim?

In fact, there's was very few of anyone except Muslims.
 
Perhaps, but the Bible is not being discussed and Christians are not the problem. In fact they are the ones being targeted and murdered by Muslims..

If Christians are being targeted, then why didn't they blow up a Christian church...or wait until a Christian holiday? Instead they attacked the Starbucks, an American company at the American Airlines terminal where there were likely to be more American tourists. The second attack was in the subway system that was largely paid for from the wealth that Belgium stole from their former African colony, the Belgian Congo.
 
If Christians are being targeted, then why didn't they blow up a Christian church...or wait until a Christian holiday? Instead they attacked the Starbucks, an American company at the American Airlines terminal where there were likely to be more American tourists. The second attack was in the subway system that was largely paid for from the wealth that Belgium stole from their former African colony, the Belgian Congo.

10 historical sites destroyed by ISIS and why they matter - Home | Day 6 | CBC Radio

Isis has destroyed Iraq's oldest Christian monastery, satellite images confirm | World news | The Guardian

Here Are the Ancient Sites ISIS Has Damaged and Destroyed

PHOTOS - ISIS Destroys Christian Churches, Artwork, Ancient Artifacts, Monastery - The Gateway Pundit

Perhaps cover-ups are the reason why there is so much confusion among some of these posters and their clear lack of knowledge.

Articles: NBC News Covers For Muslims' Vicious Destruction of Non-Islamic Artifacts
 
I don't like it when Canadians publicly demonstrate their lack of knowledge on the internet.

Where were they? All those Jews and Christians in the Middle East, where were they before you stepped up to champion their cause?
Or maybe you just made them up, looking to take a shot at Muslims from a new, exciting direction.
 



I thought we were discussing the recent attacks in Europe. If they were attacking Christians like you claim, then why didn't they blow up Christian church in Paris or Brussels....instead of a Starbucks and a metro station?
 
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I thought we were discussing the recent attacks in Europe. If they were attacking Christians like you claim, then why didn't they blow up Christian church in Paris or Brussels....instead of a Starbucks and a metro station?
Because Muslims didn't kill target Christians specifically in these latest attacks in Europe doesn't mean that aren't killing them. Their clear intent is to kill people. Jews are also suffering at the hands of Muslims.

House declares ISIS committing genocide against Christians, other minorities | Fox News
 
Because Muslims didn't kill target Christians specifically in these latest attacks in Europe doesn't mean that aren't killing them. Their clear intent is to kill people. Jews are also suffering at the hands of Muslims.

House declares ISIS committing genocide against Christians, other minorities | Fox News

They, ISIS, are the Nazi Germany of this generation. A combined, concerted effort by Western nations will defeat them but I'd feel better about the future if there was solid participation from the Arab states.
It's not Muslims who are the problem. It's jihadist extremists. Don't fall into that logic fallacy
 
They, ISIS, are the Nazi Germany of this generation. A combined, concerted effort by Western nations will defeat them but I'd feel better about the future if there was solid participation from the Arab states.
It's not Muslims who are the problem. It's jihadist extremists. Don't fall into that logic fallacy
Jihadist extremists are Muslims.

I'm still waiting for one of their religious leaders to issue a fatwa on terrorists like they did on Geert Wilders, Hirsi Ali and Salman Rushdie. Or have a world wide protest against terrorism like they did over a silly cartoon. Then I'll begin taking these folks more seriously. It's the world's worst religion, without a doubt.
 
I don't see a map. Did you forget to post it....or did you realize it didn't back up your claim and edit it out?

Click the link I'm on a smart phone and all I can post are links not img's. Here it is yet again, the Byzantine Empire under Justinian circa 555AD:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Justinian555AD.png



Apparently you didn't read it...

I read the portion you quoted.

because most of the article was about the Banu Qurayza...."The Jews of Medina." It says they betrayed Mohammed when they aligned with the Meccans.....and then the Meccans betrayed the Banu Qurayza.




Muhammad: Legacy of a Prophet . Muhammad and Jews of Medina | PBS

These are what we in the reality based community call genocide apologism, how did they know they intended to betray them or fight them? The answer is they didn't and there is absolutely 0 I repeat zero actual evidence that they did, furthermore, the undeniable and unequivocal facts are that the Qurayza never attacked Mohammad, never gave aid to his enemies and never harmed or killed a single Muslim but hey way to make excuses for genocide, disgusting!!!

I notice you don't argue that Mohammad perpetrated genocide and ethnic cleansing against the Nadir, Qaynuqa, or Qurayza though you do seek to justify it which might be even worse actually.

Also, care to name one of these fictional Jewish tribes which existed Mediba following Mohammad's conquest? Thought not.
 
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Okay, I'll tell you. Before WW2, the non Muslim population of the Middle East as a whole was statisticalty insignificant. They were pretty much all confined to Palestine and there, Jews and Christians combined were a fraction of Muslims.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Palestine

Nobody else wanted the God-forsaken (okay, awkward word) place.

Christians made up a majority in Lebanon and depending on the source still do, there were and still are tens of Millions of Christians in Egypt, Syria, Lebanon etc. Your assertion that they were confined to the Palestinian Mandate is ahistorical laughable nonsense. For example Christians make up 20% of the population of Egypt and if anything that percentage has declined not increased since WW2.
 
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Christians made up a majority in Lebanon and depending on the source still do, there were and still are tens of Millions of Christians in Egypt, Syria, Lebanon etc. Your assertion that they were confined to the Palestinian Mandate is ahistorical laughable nonsense. For example Christians make up 20% of the population of Egypt and if anything that percentage has declined not increased since WW2.

I know there's a Coptic presence in Egypt but Egypt isn't the middle east. As for the rest, you'll have to link to sources. Remember, we're talking about the Middle East previous to WW2.
 
Click the link I'm on a smart phone and all I can post are links not img's. Here it is yet again, the Byzantine Empire under Justinian circa 555AD:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Justinian555AD.png
What makes that map different from the ones I posted....except that mine are more accurate?

I read the portion you quoted.

These are what we in the reality based community call genocide apologism, how did they know they intended to betray them or fight them? The answer is they didn't and there is absolutely 0 I repeat zero actual evidence that they did,...

Haven't you ever heard of the "Constitution of Medina?" It's was a charter that the Muslim and Jewish tribes had agreed to,...and it was also the worlds first constitution (social contract). The Banu Qurayza broke the contract when they allied with Mohammed's enemies to attack him....



The Banu Qurayza were punished for their betrayal to Mohammed according to Jewish law....

Deuteronomy 20:12-14 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies.


"....A former ally of the Banu Qurayza, an Arab chief named Sa'd ibn Muadh, now a Muslim, was chosen as judge. His fellow chiefs urged him to pardon these former allies, but he refused. In his view, the Banu Qurayza had attacked the new social order and failed to honor their agreement to protect the town. He ruled that all the men should be killed. Muhammad accepted his judgment, and the next day, according to Muslim sources, 700 men of the Banu Qurayza were executed. Although Sa'd judged according to his own views, his ruling coincides with Deuteronomy 20:12-14.....

Muhammad: Legacy of a Prophet . Muhammad and Jews of Medina | PBS


furthermore, the undeniable and unequivocal facts are that the Qurayza never attacked Mohammad, never gave aid to his enemies and never harmed or killed a single Muslim but hey way to make excuses for genocide, disgusting!!!
There's more evidence that says they attacked/betrayed Mohammed, than not. NTL, it pales in comparison to the Christian Emperor, Justianian murdering 30,000 Christians in the Hippodrome....

CLIO History Journal - Justinian and the nike riots


Also, care to name one of these fictional Jewish tribes which existed Mediba following Mohammad's conquest? Thought not.
If you had read the article you wouldn't have had to ask....

"...Yet Muhammad did not confuse the contentiousness of clan relations in the oasis with the religious message of Judaism. Passages in the Qur'an that warn Muslims not to make pacts with the Jews of Arabia emerge from these specific wartime situations. A larger spirit of respect, acceptance, and comradeship prevailed, as recorded in a late chapter of the Qur'an: We sent down the Torah, in which there is guidance and light, by which the Prophets who surrendered to God's will provided judgments for the Jewish people. Also, the rabbis and doctors of the Law (did likewise), according to that portion of God's Book with which they were entrusted, and they became witnesses to it as well…. Whoever does not judge by what God has sent down (including the Torah), they are indeed unbelievers. (5:44) Some individual Medinan Jews, including at least one rabbi, became Muslims. But generally, the Jews of Medina remained true to their faith. Theologically, they could not accept Muhammad as a messenger of God, since, in keeping with Jewish belief, they were waiting for a prophet to emerge from among their own people.

The exiled Banu Nadir and the Banu Qaynuqa removed to the prosperous northern oasis of Khaybar, and later pledged political loyalty to Muhammad. Other Jewish clans honored the pact they had signed and continued to live in peace in Medina long after it became the Muslim capital of Arabia..."


Since Christians blamed Jews for the death of Jesus, the Christian Crusades probably displaced and killed more Jews than Muslims did during the entire reign of the Ottoman Empire.
 
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Jihadist extremists are Muslims.

I'm still waiting for one of their religious leaders to issue a fatwa on terrorists like they did on Geert Wilders, Hirsi Ali and Salman Rushdie. Or have a world wide protest against terrorism like they did over a silly cartoon. Then I'll begin taking these folks more seriously. It's the world's worst religion, without a doubt.

But the vast majority of Muslims are not Jihadist extremists.
 
I know there's a Coptic presence in Egypt but Egypt isn't the middle east. As for the rest, you'll have to link to sources. Remember, we're talking about the Middle East previous to WW2.
No, we're talking of the history of the Middle East and North Africa. The part of the world Muslims have claimed as their own.
 
But the vast majority of Muslims are not Jihadist extremists.
That's right. Not all Muslims are terrorists. But too many Muslims support terrorism or make excuses for it or deny there's a problem. We know that not all Germans were Nazis, not all Italians Fascist, and so on, but in the end it didn't matter. You either literally distance yourself from the problem of Islam or you're part of the problem.

It's an ignorant religion anyway, and there are far superior beliefs circulating around the world.
 
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