Emails: Clinton sought secure smartphone, rebuffed by NSA

Vern said:

well now that you're up to speed on the fact that Hillary can certainly have a private email server, lets get you up to speed on the rules that took effect after Hillary left. It wasn't newsworthy so there wasnt alot of articles. Heres a link to WSJ article. Its behind a paywall but you can read the title that shows you once again posting things because you wish it was true or as you would say "hopeless wishfulness".

Hillary Clinton's Personal Email Use Came Before Recent Rule Changes - WSJ

Oh, and don't forget, you need to explain to ReverendH that he started a thread based on a lie.

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See the post above.

NonoBadDog said:

And she used her private email for business. He got 22 emails from her with her private email address on it. The President chose to not release the emails.

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that's you backtracking from your belief that she couldn't have a private email server. Yes NBD, she used her private email server for business. Its funny watching you try to "massage" your narrative now that you figured out she was allowed to have a private email server.

You want to split hairs here. She was not authorized to use a Black Berry for classified information. The only person with an authorized secure blackberry is Obama. Hillary was told she was not going to get one because of the cost and infrastructure it would take to give her one in the State Department. She wasn't told not to. She was told she couldn't.

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no NBD, I'm not splitting hairs. I trying to explain the facts to you. And just like conservatives, you're looking for any phrase or sentence fragment to cling to your narrative. She did not use her blackberry for classified information. She used her blackberry to access her email. Classified information that shouldn't have been on the .gov server was emailed to her. so again, this thread was started on the lie that she ignored the NSA.

And NBD, now that you understand that she indeed can use her blackberry to access her email what does that do for this thread? You really should address the lie that Hillary wanted a "secure government smartphone, was told no but did it anyway". She used her smartphone for her email. and NBD, this is why you have Trump. You have to ignore the facts to cling to the lying narratives from the right. Its also what makes you claim you didn't say exactly what you said.

Here is my post that you quoted where I said it was illegal for Clinton to have a private server.

Where do I state that it was illegal for her to have a private server? You have it all screwed around again. Email is different than a server. Using an internet email account to send classified information is unauthorized so it would make her internet email account an unauthorized email account for the purpose of sending classified information or avoiding the archival requirement. You even said so:

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You called it unauthorized. again, this is why you have Trump

Vern said:

that's you backtracking from your belief that she couldn't have a private email server. Yes NBD, she used her private email server for business. Its funny watching you try to "massage" your narrative now that you figured out she was allowed to have a private email server.



no NBD, I'm not splitting hairs. I trying to explain the facts to you. And just like conservatives, you're looking for any phrase or sentence fragment to cling to your narrative. She did not use her blackberry for classified information. She used her blackberry to access her email. Classified information that shouldn't have been on the .gov server was emailed to her. so again, this thread was started on the lie that she ignored the NSA.

And NBD, now that you understand that she indeed can use her blackberry to access her email what does that do for this thread?

She used her smartphone for her email. and NBD, this is why you have Trump. You have to ignore the facts to cling to the lying narratives from the right. Its also what makes you claim you didn't say exactly what you said.



You called it unauthorized. again, this is why you have Trump

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The only way you seem to address this conversation is to insist that I said something that I didn't through all sorts of twisting and rhetoric. I noticed you didn't offer any useful or substantive information, just a dishonest projection of things that weren't said.

NonoBadDog said:

The only way you seem to address this conversation is to insist that I said something that I didn't through all sorts of twisting and rhetoric. I noticed you didn't offer any useful or substantive information, just a dishonest projection of things that weren't said.

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sure, I didn't post a picture of a smartphone but I did get you up to speed on the fact that the rules were changed that all email must CC one's .gov account was changed after Hillary left office. I did point out your repeated use of "unauthorized email" when you started a thread titled " Oama knew that Hillary was using her private email account for business ". Again, I can only point out that if there was nothing wrong with having a private email account, why is that worthy of a thread? Oh and I did point out that now you fully understand there was nothing wrong with Hillary using a private email server that this thread is based on yet another lying conservative narrative. that's "substantive information". Other than a picture of a smartphone what "substantive information" did you offer?

Vern said:

sure, I didn't post a picture of a smartphone but I did get you up to speed on the fact that the rules were changed that all email must CC one's .gov account was changed after Hillary left office. I did point out your repeated use of "unauthorized email" when you started a thread titled " Oama knew that Hillary was using her private email account for business ". Again, I can only point out that if there was nothing wrong with having a private email account, why is that worthy of a thread? Oh and I did point out that now you fully understand there was nothing wrong with Hillary using a private email server that this thread is based on yet another lying conservative narrative. that's "substantive information". Other than a picture of a smartphone what "substantive information" did you offer?

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You didn't get me up to speed on anything. You said that I said something that I didn't and repeated a lie over and over again. You still continue to lie. Then you repeated stupid nonsensical statements about Obama not knowing that Hillary was using a private email for business. You ignore the fact that Hillary used her server to save, capture, store and send classified information (2069 emails). The only email device she used was her blackberry. Her blackberry was her private blackberry and not secure. She was told that the govt would not supply her a secure blackberry. She was also instructed not to send, store, receive or capture classified information on any device that wasn't on SIPRNET.

We can take these issues one at a time. I would be more than happy to do that. You chose the first issue and we can go from there.

NonoBadDog said:

You didn't get me up to speed on anything.

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mmmm, I did bring you to speed on the fact that the slight rules changes concerning the use of private email changed after Hillary left. Are you trying to deny that also?

You said that I said something that I didn't and repeated a lie over and over again. You still continue to lie.

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sorry NBD, I don't believe you. I've told you several times she could use a private email server. You were never really clear what you were flailing at when you flailed at me. Maybe you should try to be more clear in the future when you respond instead flailing and insulting. Here's another example

Vern said:

oh nono, haven't you embarrassed yourself enough for one thread. You started a thread based on the falsehood that Hillary wasn't allowed to have a private email servers and you accuse me of denying the truth. Classic conservative.

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NonoBadDog said:

Oh, Vern,you wouldn't admit the truth when it comes to Shrillary if you had to.

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see, you simply flailed at me. And, this is key, there was nothing else in the post for you to claim "oh I was flailing at this not that". So NBD, that's two exchanges between us that leads me to believe you thought just having a server was a crime.

Then you repeated stupid nonsensical statements about Obama not knowing that Hillary was using a private email for business.

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I really have no idea what point you think you are making because I didn't address what President Obama knew. I addressed the point that you clearly articulated in several posts that you think it was crime just to have a private email server. Here's my first post in that thread.

Vern said:

Nono, thanks for showing that conservative narratives flailing at Hillary are just a mish mosh of lies, spin and delusion. Her private email server was not "unauthorized". The secretary of State can still have his/her own server. And the info she got was not labeled "Top Secret". that's why she's not a target of the FBI investigation.

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see how my post is clear and straight forward. so can you clarify your latest incoherent statement. thanks.

Threegoofs makes a rather relevant point in another thread:

Threegoofs said:

Other Secretaries Handled Classified Material on Private Email, State Dept. Concludes - ABC News

Classified Info Found on Past Secretaries' Private Email

The State Department’s internal investigation arm issued a final memorandum today on the email practices of past and current secretaries of state, and it said definitively that past secretaries handled classified material on unclassified email systems.

The same claims were made in an early February memo when the State Department's inspector general first announced it was conducting a records review related to the email accounts of five secretaries of state -- Madeline Albright, Colin Powell, Condoleezza Rice, Hillary Clinton and John Kerry -- and their immediate staff.

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Hmmm. Looks like this horrible felonious behavior was pretty common. I wonder when Fox News is going to call for Condi Rice's prosecution?

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Starting to sound like she wasn't doing anything out of the ordinary....

Now, maybe we shouldn't like any of it. But still...the fuss being made over her sounds rather extreme in light of this.

Vern said:

mmmm, I did bring you to speed on the fact that the slight rules changes concerning the use of private email changed after Hillary left. Are you trying to deny that also?



sorry NBD, I don't believe you. I've told you several times she could use a private email server. You were never really clear what you were flailing at when you flailed at me. Maybe you should try to be more clear in the future when you respond instead flailing and insulting. Here's another example




see, you simply flailed at me. And, this is key, there was nothing else in the post for you to claim "oh I was flailing at this not that". So NBD, that's two exchanges between us that leads me to believe you thought just having a server was a crime.



I really have no idea what point you think you are making because I didn't address what President Obama knew. I addressed the point that you clearly articulated in several posts that you think it was crime just to have a private email server. Here's my first post in that thread.



see how my post is clear and straight forward. so can you clarify your latest incoherent statement. thanks.

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I noticed you didn't mention taking these issues one at a time. Not up to the challenge?

NonoBadDog said:

I noticed you didn't mention taking these issues one at a time. Not up to the challenge?

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I'm sorry NBD, that post makes zero sense. I get that a lot from conservatives after I shred them. But at least you cooled your jets in calling me a liar for pointing out you believed that it was a crime for Hillary to even have a private server.

Vern said:

I'm sorry NBD, that post makes zero sense. I get that a lot from conservatives after I shred them. But at least you cooled your jets in calling me a liar for pointing out you believed that it was a crime for Hillary to even have a private server.

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Okay, I accept your white flag. :surrender:thumbs::surrender

NonoBadDog said:

Okay, I accept your white flag. :surrender:thumbs::surrender

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NBD, I have to ask, why are you at a debate forum. The concept clearly befuddles you. You posted about a "challenge" that exists only in your mind. I'm discussing that the thread is based on a lie. a lie you finally realized. See how you have to deflect from that discussion. And quite desperately I might add.

Vern said:

NBD, I have to ask, why are you at a debate forum. The concept clearly befuddles you. You posted about a "challenge" that exists only in your mind. I'm discussing that the thread is based on a lie. a lie you finally realized. See how you have to deflect from that discussion. And quite desperately I might add.

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Dude, I offered and you declined. White flag. The offer still stands, debate the issues in depth one at a time. That eliminates the cherry picking, obfuscation and general bouncing around when you are faced with an uncomfortable fact.

NonoBadDog said:

Dude, I offered and you declined. White flag. The offer still stands, debate the issues in depth one at a time. That eliminates the cherry picking, obfuscation and general bouncing around when you are faced with an uncomfortable fact.

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I don't know what to say NBD. I am debating the issues. you are simply flailing at my posts and creating strawmen. Thanks to me discussing the issues (because I understand that its a debate forum) you learned that it wasn't a crime to have a private email server and you learned they changed the rules after Hillary left office. And you also learned the thread is based on a lie. So feel free to discuss any issue I've discussed. Its why I'm here.

Vern said:

I don't know what to say NBD. I am debating the issues. you are simply flailing at my posts and creating strawmen. Thanks to me discussing the issues (because I understand that its a debate forum) you learned that it wasn't a crime to have a private email server and you learned they changed the rules after Hillary left office. And you also learned the thread is based on a lie. So feel free to discuss any issue I've discussed. Its why I'm here.

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You can say yes, we will debate the issues one issue at a time with no diversion. Put your money where your mouth is.

NonoBadDog said:

You can say yes, we will debate the issues one issue at a time with no diversion. Put your money where your mouth is.

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diversions? what a cowardly strawman that is. Its a debate forum. Nothing is stopping you from debating what I've posted. Unlike you, I've posted clear straightforward posts. If I've posted something you want to "debate" cut and paste it and explain why its not true. Hey I know, cut and paste where I said " you believe that even having a private server was a crime".

Vern said:

diversions? what a cowardly strawman that is. Its a debate forum. Nothing is stopping you from debating what I've posted. Unlike you, I've posted clear straightforward posts. If I've posted something you want to "debate" cut and paste it and explain why its not true. Hey I know, cut and paste where I said " you believe that even having a private server was a crime".

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You never produced a post where I said a private server was a crime. You said I did and in spite of the challenge to produce a post where I said that you failed, seriously failed.

Vern said:

NBD is operating under the belief that the private server itself is a crime.

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Again, produce the post where I stated that it was a crime for Hillary to use a private server. It is such an easy task. Having a server isn't illegal. I never said it was illegal contrary to your lie that I said it was. Having a gun isn't illegal either. It is how you use it. Come on Vern, you can do it. I know you can. Find the post that proves that you aren't a liar. Oh yeah, it doesn't exist.

NonoBadDog said:

You never produced a post where I said a private server was a crime. You said I did and in spite of the challenge to produce a post where I said that you failed, seriously failed.

Again, produce the post where I stated that it was a crime for Hillary to use a private server. It is such an easy task. Having a server isn't illegal. I never said it was illegal contrary to your lie that I said it was. Having a gun isn't illegal either. It is how you use it. Come on Vern, you can do it. I know you can. Find the post that proves that you aren't a liar. Oh yeah, it doesn't exist.

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Er uh NBD, I posted this

Vern said:

oh nono, haven't you embarrassed yourself enough for one thread. You started a thread based on the falsehood that Hillary wasn't allowed to have a private email servers and you accuse me of denying the truth. Classic conservative.

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You replied with this.

NonoBadDog said:

Oh, Vern,you wouldn't admit the truth when it comes to Shrillary if you had to.

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Sure looks like your disputing my point that it wasn’t a crime to have a private email server. I think this meets your “challenge” requirement. In fact, when I posted that discussion between us that’s when you created your original strawman about some “challenge”. And NBD, if you didn’t think it proved exactly what I said it proved, why would you deflect to the strawman “challenge”? But NBD, lets just settle this with no distractions (whatever that means). You posted this.

NonoBadDog said:

I put a personal server in the multiple felony category, along with perjury. It isn't perjury yet but it will be before the end of the week if Judge Sullivan's court order is enforced.

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Who knows what the delusional perjury narrative is but NBD, that’s MULTIPLE posts from you that convey the belief that just having a private emails server is a crime. Here read it again.

NonoBadDog said:

I put a personal server in the multiple felony category, along with perjury. It isn't perjury yet but it will be before the end of the week if Judge Sullivan's court order is enforced.

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NonoBadDog said:

You never produced a post where I said a private server was a crime. You said I did and in spite of the challenge to produce a post where I said that you failed, seriously failed.

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wow, it sure is quiet in this thread. NBD,is that what you meant by no distractions? anyhoo, I produced a post where you said it was illegal for Hillary to have a private email server so I succeeded, seriously succeeded. the only question is did you really not know what you posted or were you being dishonest? I've seen your posts so its a toss up.

and guess what NBD, the thread starter thinks its illegal to have a private email server. It tries to give the impression Hillary ignored the NSA. See how conservative narratives rely on the ignorance or gullibility of conservatives. if you guys in any way demanded accountability you wouldn't have Trump leading the polls. But alas, conservatives choose narrative over integrity.