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Trump doing better in 'open' primaries; Cruz sees success in GOP-only contests

Anthony60 said:
To quote Frederick Douglass, “Abolish slavery tomorrow, and not a sentence or syllable of the Constitution need be altered.”

Chew on that.
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And for it to be legal, not a single syllable of the constitution needed to be altered.
 
Anthony60 said:
Actually, that is false. The Constitution (and the Declaration) laid the ground work for the end of slavery. It was inevitable.
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Which is why it required no wars to get it accomplished....
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Which is why it required no wars to get it accomplished....
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Except for the obdurate racism and greed of the southern slaveholding planter class. As W.T. Sherman pointedly observed: "War is the remedy our enemies have chosen, and I say give them all they want."
 
Trump is clearly emotionally disturbed and Cruz is a religious looney tune.

Anyone who thinks either of these ding dongs are well suited to run the most powerful nation in the world are staggeringly ignorant as to what America needs in terms of leadership, IMO.

Of the four leading candidates, only Sanders seems to be both decent and completely sane...though his socialist ideas would probably heavily damage the American economy.

I can't believe I am saying this - as I despise her - but I honestly think Hillary Clinton is the candidate of the four favorites that will destroy America the least. Other then her sex, she will be a status quo, establishment POTUS. Mediocre at best and ultimately useless but relatively harmless as well (compared to Trump, Cruz and Sanders).

This American election is definitely shaping up as the saddest I have yet to watch.
 
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Anthony60 said:
Again, you meander away from the current topic. Where are you headed next?
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I didn't start this line of discussion, don't get mad at me for it.
 
DA60 said:
Trump is clearly emotionally disturbed and Cruz is a religious looney tune.

Anyone who thinks either of these ding dongs are well suited to run the most powerful nation in the world are staggeringly ignorant as to what America needs in terms of leadership, IMO.

Of the four leading candidates, only Sanders seems to be both decent and completely sane...though his socialist ideas would probably heavily damage the American economy.

I can't believe I am saying this - as I despise her - but I honestly think Hillary Clinton is the candidate of the four favorites that will destroy America the least. Other then her sex, she will be a status quo, establishment POTUS. Mediocre at best and ultimately useless but relatively harmless as well (compared to Trump, Cruz and Sanders).

This American election is definitely shaping up as the saddest I have yet to watch.
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There is only one candidate that has exhibited fidelity to our Constitution. In fact, he's the only one that even acknowledges that it is the absolute bedrock of our government and is the firewall that protects our liberties and freedoms. It's a bit scary, and dangerous, that there are candidates that see it as an obsticle to getting things done.
 
Anthony60 said:
There is only one candidate that has exhibited fidelity to our Constitution. In fact, he's the only one that even acknowledges that it is the absolute bedrock of our government and is the firewall that protects our liberties and freedoms. It's a bit scary, and dangerous, that there are candidates that see it as an obsticle to getting things done.
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I am not a big Constitution guy. Remember, this was the same 'bedrock of our government' that allowed slavery and denied women the vote plus a bunch of other lousy things (though not nearly as bad as slavery) for generations.
It was staggeringly flawed when it was created and it is still very flawed now.
Yes, it was a huge step in the right direction. But it was only a step, it was and is nowhere near to the end of the journey.

I don't want to get into a debate about it, you are entitled to your opinion, but I think that the Constitution is looked upon too highly by too many Americans. It still needs a TON of work, IMO.


HOWEVER, I agree that a POTUS should uphold it...especially since he/she took an oath to do just that when they took office.
To stand before America, swear to uphold the Constitution and then try and circumvent it is borderline criminal to me...if not outright criminal.
 
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Erod said:
Trump doing better in 'open' primaries; Cruz sees success in GOP-only contests | Fox News



This is an interesting development. Trump is winning the open primary states, while Cruz is winning the closed states.

There also seems to be a surge behind Cruz, who is obviously benefitting from the Rubio supporters who are bailing because the math isn't going Rubio's way. I think Trump's awful debate performances, coupled with the ugliness between he and Rubio, is behind much of that momentum behind Cruz. Trump is drawing Democrats who are disgusted with their Clinton-Sanders option. (Full disclosure, I'm a Rubio supporter, but I could get behind Cruz, not Trump.)

Trump's ceiling seems to be set, his winning margins are shrinking, and he's starting to lose states he was thought to win. Rubio is crashing, and Trump is waning, while Cruz is picking up steam despite getting only a fraction of the media attention that Trump and Rubio get.

Note that most of the remaining primaries are closed. Cruz just might catch him after all.

And the great irony is that the GOP hates Cruz worse than Trump. I'm proud of how conservatives have told the GOP to go blank themselves.
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Interesting. I was curious about that. It explains a lot.
 
Erod said:
Seriously? Is there a law she's never broken, an ethic she's never ignored, or an accomplishment she's ever had?
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I don't think she's broken any laws (probably), I think she is rapacious in her pursuit of power but so are Donald Trump and Ted Cruz, and it doesn't mean she wouldn't make a competent Executive. I also think she is very intelligent and holds views which I can personally identify with.
 
tres borrachos said:
I'm a Rubio supporter too, but I disagree on the Cruz/Trump thing. Cruz isn't my ideal choice, by a long shot, but he's better than Trump and Hillary.
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I sympathize but can't go there. I think Cruz is an utterly irresponsible religious zealot with political views which I find disastrous. I would never trust him to sit in the White House.
 
DA60 said:
I am not a big Constitution guy. Remember, this was the same 'bedrock of our government' that allowed slavery and denied women the vote plus a bunch of other lousy things (though not nearly as bad as slavery) for generations.
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Actually, it didn't allow slavery, and infact, made the end of slavery inevitable.

It was staggeringly flawed when it was created and it is still very flawed now.
Yes, it was a huge step in the right direction. But it was only a step, it was and is nowhere near to the end of the journey.
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It may not be perfect, but to paraphrase Churchill, it might be the worst system, except for all the others. But really, an absolutely brilliant piece of work in human history.


I don't want to get into a debate about it, you are entitled to your opinion, but I think that the Constitution is looked upon too highly by too many Americans. It still needs a TON of work, IMO.
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Yes, that's for another thread, and has already been addressed here a bit.

HOWEVER, I agree that a POTUS should uphold it...especially since he/she took an oath to do just that when they took office.
To stand before America, swear to uphold the Constitution and then try and circumvent it is borderline criminal to me...if not outright criminal.
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Yes, that's the actual point here. Whatever you think of the Constitution, the POTUS takes an oath to uphold and defend it. Seems lately, we have people in office that do the opposite, and try and find a way around it. Obama seems to treat it as a nuisance. An obstacle to socialism, or whatever he wants.

Hillary has come right out and said she would appoint "progressive" Justices. So, she is saying she will ignore the Constitution, and appoint people that will also ignore it. No Justice should be progressive or not. They should be guided by the Constitution, that is their job.

But the real danger is that once we become unmoored from the Constitution, as we are heading, then we are done. No going back, because there never is. It is the protection we have against tyranny.

Libs think we can give all this power to the government, and change it back if it's too much. Nah ah. Not happening. Government never gives back liberties that has taken. Ever. Stalin, Hussein (not our Hussein, yet), etc... Blood and bullets is the only way to get it back, and a lot of it.

People like Hillary and Sanders will take us that way and tell us how great it will be, as Obama and the SCOTUS has. Red flag. Nothing good coming from those two.

But, who knows, maybe they'll be the first in history to promote an all powerful government, that makes all our lives better. Are you holding your breath on that? I sure won't.
 
Sherman123 said:
I don't think she's broken any laws (probably), I think she is rapacious in her pursuit of power but so are Donald Trump and Ted Cruz, and it doesn't mean she wouldn't make a competent Executive. I also think she is very intelligent and holds views which I can personally identify with.
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Wow. Incredible.
 
cpwill said:
A strong argument in favor of closed primaries.
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For what Trump is doing to the GOP... you can bet your bottom dollar they are going to put in tighter controls for future primaries. They'll start to look more like the dems' primaries with undemocratic super-delegates to attempt to control who gets the nomination.
 
Lutherf said:
I'm not so sure it was a booger but I'd have paid good money to see him wipe it on Trump's sleeve one way or the other.
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DA60 said:
Trump is clearly emotionally disturbed and Cruz is a religious looney tune.

Anyone who thinks either of these ding dongs are well suited to run the most powerful nation in the world are staggeringly ignorant as to what America needs in terms of leadership, IMO.

Of the four leading candidates, only Sanders seems to be both decent and completely sane...though his socialist ideas would probably heavily damage the American economy.

I can't believe I am saying this - as I despise her - but I honestly think Hillary Clinton is the candidate of the four favorites that will destroy America the least. Other then her sex, she will be a status quo, establishment POTUS. Mediocre at best and ultimately useless but relatively harmless as well (compared to Trump, Cruz and Sanders).

This American election is definitely shaping up as the saddest I have yet to watch.
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Well I might actually vote for Trump if he gives me a lifetime supply of steak. :mrgreen:
 
PoS said:
Well I might actually vote for Trump if he gives me a lifetime supply of steak. :mrgreen:
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I suspect based on his performance last night at HIS CLUB before HIS MEMBERS if he did that, you would have to sit at his feet and catch it in your mouth as he flung it in your general direction. And I further suspect that would not at all be acceptable to you - or anyone else with a spine and integrity.
 
PoS said:
Well I might actually vote for Trump if he gives me a lifetime supply of steak. :mrgreen:
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I'd vote for anybody who gave me a lifetime supply of steak, although that's cheaper than you'd think because my life expectancy would drop substantially.
 
Deuce said:
I'd vote for anybody who gave me a lifetime supply of steak, although that's cheaper than you'd think because my life expectancy would drop substantially.
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Well, if you eat steak in moderation you ought to be fine. :chew:
 
which means; trump doing better among independents and democrats who might vote for the right republican. which means; trump has a better shot in the general election.


oh...but this is supposed to be another trump hate thread, my bad for injecting reality into it, carry on.
 
poweRob said:
For what Trump is doing to the GOP... you can bet your bottom dollar they are going to put in tighter controls for future primaries. They'll start to look more like the dems' primaries with undemocratic super-delegates to attempt to control who gets the nomination.
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You may be correct. That's how it happened to the Dems, after all.
 
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