North Korea leader tells military to be ready to use nuclear weapons

Beaudreaux said:

You brought up Crimea. Just saying.

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I'm not saying it can't be brought up. I'm saying it is a distinctly different situation from Crimea.

What about North Korea?

ecofarm said:

I'm not saying it can't be brought up. I'm saying it is a distinctly different situation from Crimea.

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Which I agree with, and why I didn't mention it in the first place. Crimea had nothing to do with my original statement in this thread about the US agreement with Ukraine.

ecofarm said:

Crimea has been Russian for a long time. Ukraine had a chance to assimilate it and instead chose to deny people of the area Ukrainian passports, because the government considered them Russian.

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Even the name Crimea is not Russian. It is Tatar. Nikita Khrushchev no longer wanted to support Crimea financially and officially ceded the peninsula to Ukraine in 1954. Ergo, it has been Ukrainian land for the past 60 years. The Crimean infrastructure (gas/electric/water/road/rail) is embedded with Ukraine, not Russia. I don't know where you got that notion of passports, but I have lived in Crimea and your story is poppycock. Actually, the Russian consulate on Bolshevistskaya street in Simferopol would hand out Russian passports to virtually anyone for free. This is where the Russian mafia obtained phony documents.

ecofarm said:

If Russia had invaded Ukraine proper, that would have been different.

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Russia did invade the mainland (the Donbas - Luhansk/Donetsk oblasts) in eastern Ukraine in April of 2014. (see - Ukraine)

To date:
10,000+ dead
15,000+ wounded
3,000,000 refugees
715 remain missing
130 known prisoners held captive
Billions of dollars in infrastructure/environmental damage

TheDemSocialist said:

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:shrug::shrug:Looks like Kim is mad that some of the toughest economic sanctions are going to be put on his country.... [/FONT]

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Nuking Seoul would certainly embarrass Peking. But it might also make the global community understand the increasing level of danger we are all allowing to develop.

I know why Kimmy is so upset:

Some analysis on the new sanctions. Will they stop? Should US apply sanctions and also openly negotiate?

Simpleχity;1065628616 said:

I don't know where you got that notion of passports, but I have lived in Crimea and your story is poppycock. Actually, the Russian consulate on Bolshevistskaya street in Simferopol would hand out Russian passports to virtually anyone for free.

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I personally witnessed it. I watched someone struggle to get a Ukrainian passport. She was denied, and existed as a stateless person, because her parents were prominent Russians. This despite her having been born and raised in Crimea.

Fraudulent Russian paperwork has nothing to do with Ukraine refusing to issue passports to Crimeans that were so-called Russians.

ecofarm said:

I personally witnessed it. I watched someone struggle to get a Ukrainian passport. She was denied, and existed as a stateless person, because her parents were prominent Russians. This despite her having been born and raised in Crimea. Fraudulent Russian paperwork has nothing to do with Ukraine refusing to issue passports to Crimeans that were so-called Russians.

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I don't buy this one iota. I know many people in Crimea: Tatars, ethnic Ukrainians, and ethnic Russians. None had a problem with passports until the Russian Anschluss of Crimea in 2014.

The biggest problem currently is that countless thousands of Crimeans were born in mainland Ukraine and even though they may have lived in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea (ARC) for many years, they never re-registered as residents of Crimea. This was never a problem as long as Crimea was a part of sovereign Ukraine. But after the illegal Russian annexation, these people are now officially considered foreigners even though they own homes/businesses in Crimea and have lived there for years (some for decades). There are roughly 100,000 people who fall into this category ... people now regarded as foreigners on what was once their own soil. Needless to say, the vast majority of the people now classified as foreigners are ethnic Ukrainian. The Russian courts and Federal Migration Service (FMS) usually find a workaround for ethnic Russians trapped in this bureaucratic no-mans-land.

Simpleχity;1065682784 said:

I don't buy this one iota. I know many people in Crimea: Tatars, ethnic Ukrainians, and ethnic Russians. None had a problem with passports until the Russian Anschluss of Crimea in 2014.

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I'm referring to the late 1990s and early 2000s. In ~2002, she finally got a Ukrainian passport and was no longer stateless. Her stateless status was confirmed by the grad school she was attending (as was I) in Europe.