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Romney to speak TH on "state of the 2016 presidential race"

AlbqOwl said:
That's according to existing rules which they can change in a heartbeat with a straight up vote.
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I can just imagine the backlash if they did that. You have these candidates spending millions of dollars, voters going to the polls in all the States, and then, at the end, the Establishment RINOs say, never mind, we'll pick the nominee. Oh, and we'll pick a proven loser that couldn't beat the worst President in history. Obviously, they care much more about keeping control of the party than winning the White House.

These Establishment Rino's need to be swept away. And that is what they are afraid might happen if either Cruz or Trump gets the nomination. They are doing their best to pump up Rubio, but he should, frankly, be dropping out if he doesn't win Florida, if not sooner. But he will just hang on, screwing things up, in hope of pulling a fast one at the convention.
 
I put this in another thread but I will put it here too because it is important:
Failed Presidential Candidate Mitt Romney is having a news conference tomorrow to criticize me. Just another desperate move by the man who should have easily beaten Barrack Obama.
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump

Ho Hum, just another loser flapping his gums.....
 
Abbazorkzog said:
Indeed, and that may allow the Libertarians and Greens to fill the vacuum.
Still on the fence about Trump, though.
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I've been talking to a lot of clients on both sides of the political aisle this year and believe that a strong Libertarian would do very well.
 
OpportunityCost said:
He isn't even qualified on the ballot without winning 8 states. That's part of why Rubio is in trouble.
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I heard today that the threshold is winning 8 states with a 50% majority. Anybody know for sure which is correct?
 
Helix said:
i truly doubt that any of the Trump supporting delusionists give **** one about what Mitt Romney thinks.
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In fact, it sorta makes a person want to vote for Trump, just to defy being told who to vote for.
 
polgara said:
Well stated, Lutherf. :thumbs: If they honestly believe that all the folks that voted for Trump are going to say "okay, whatever you think best," they need to join the real world! As angry as the populous has been lately about so many things, this would be the final straw, IMO! To basically be told that your vote doesn't count - although many people already suspect that's the case - it sure doesn't help to see it confirmed!

Now I have just read on Yahoo that the Utah legislature is working on a bill to nullify the 17th Amendment so the State can go back to appointing Senators instead of having people vote for them! Can any State do this? I thought it was a joke, but apparently they're serious!

And Kansas is working on a bill that will require cities and towns to send traffic fine money to the State to help pay off the State debt! Like the politicians that run municipalities are by nature altruistic! :cuckoo:

YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS STUFF UP, LUTHER! :eek:
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Nullification theory does not cover amendments, It covers states rejecting laws they deem unconstitutional, and not parts of the constitution they do not like.

If they ever got the bill passed, it would be rejected by the supreme court no matter how liberal or conservative.
 
NonoBadDog said:
They would have a full blown revolt on their hands that would have repercussions for at least a decade.
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You think? It seems to me that Republicans pretty much fall in line, even when they're not crazy about the candidate. You know the expression: Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line. Although there would be a certain % of Trump supporters who wouldn't vote at all, I'm sure.
 
JumpinJack said:
You think? It seems to me that Republicans pretty much fall in line, even when they're not crazy about the candidate. You know the expression: Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line. Although there would be a certain % of Trump supporters who wouldn't vote at all, I'm sure.
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Yep, I think the Republicans have about had it. They are getting tired of having smoke piped up their skirt. The Democrats are having the same kind of thing going on but not as extreme. Everyone I talk to is tired of the govt. but most of them believe the promises and are shocked when the representative does the exact opposite.
 
JumpinJack said:
You think? It seems to me that Republicans pretty much fall in line, even when they're not crazy about the candidate. You know the expression: Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line. Although there would be a certain % of Trump supporters who wouldn't vote at all, I'm sure.
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Democrats fall in love republicans fall in line? this election cycle has been the opposite, and has been trending for a few cycles. The democrats seem to overwhemingly support hillary despite many of them hating her, aka falling in line, while the republicans are falling in love with trump, despite what the party wants.

8 years ago no one would have predicted this election cycle, and 4 years ago the few that did would have been called crazy paulbots.
 
beerftw said:
Democrats fall in love republicans fall in line? this election cycle has been the opposite, and has been trending for a few cycles. The democrats seem to overwhemingly support hillary despite many of them hating her, aka falling in line, while the republicans are falling in love with trump, despite what the party wants.

8 years ago no one would have predicted this election cycle, and 4 years ago the few that did would have been called crazy paulbots.
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This is true. It switched this year. I've never seen the Republicans so passionate about a candidate. It's similar to what Dems felt about Obama.

True about Hillary. It could be because most haven't fallen in love with Sanders. He's a Socialist and all. Nice guy, though. I like him. He seems honest and well intentioned, smart, and all that. I think his intention is to force the Dem. Party more left, and to give his ideas more prominence. I think he's succeeded. He is also more powerful, now, and will have more of a voice.
 
JumpinJack said:
In fact, it sorta makes a person want to vote for Trump, just to defy being told who to vote for.
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for me, not really. i'd prefer banning the gerrymandered party system. if this election doesn't push a voter in that direction, nothing will.
 
JumpinJack said:
You think? It seems to me that Republicans pretty much fall in line, even when they're not crazy about the candidate. You know the expression: Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line. Although there would be a certain % of Trump supporters who wouldn't vote at all, I'm sure.
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According to the early polling of them, 35% of the non-Trump Republicans Will Definitely not vote for him in the General, and an additional 13% of the non-Trump Republicans Probably Will not vote for him in the General.

And that is before any actual massive negative campaign hits Trump.

I'm a Republican because it's a vehicle for conservatism. If the Republican party ceases to be a vehicle for conservatism, it ceases to be useful to me. I have had enough of leftist authoritarians to last me a lifetime, and have no intention of voting for a minimum of 4 years more.
 
JumpinJack said:
This is true. It switched this year. I've never seen the Republicans so passionate about a candidate. It's similar to what Dems felt about Obama.

True about Hillary. It could be because most haven't fallen in love with Sanders. He's a Socialist and all. Nice guy, though. I like him. He seems honest and well intentioned, smart, and all that. I think his intention is to force the Dem. Party more left, and to give his ideas more prominence. I think he's succeeded. He is also more powerful, now, and will have more of a voice.
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Well to force the party more left is probably wy he gained acceptance and popularity. Look at obama, he is to the right of romney and about par with mcain, bush was probably slightly more to the left of obama. Come election time every republican tries to shift to the left and every democrat tries to shift to the right and pander to evangelicals and gun owners.

I think the left are tired of democrats who poses as liberal, run the election as a moderate, then moves slightly right of center after election on all issues except wedge issues like abortion and gun control. Republicans do the same, romney last election was a liberal, his record puts him left of obama, yet he campaigned as slightly right of center.

Neither side establishment is supporting candidates who back their constituents views but rather who they think can win while at the same time putting the party and it's donors above the people who elect them.
 
cpwill said:
If the Republican party ceases to be a vehicle for conservatism, it ceases to be useful to me.
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When was the last time the Republican party displayed fiscal conservatism in a presidency?
 
beerftw said:
Well to force the party more left is probably wy he gained acceptance and popularity. Look at obama, he is to the right of romney and about par with mcain, bush was probably slightly more to the left of obama. Come election time every republican tries to shift to the left and every democrat tries to shift to the right and pander to evangelicals and gun owners.

I think the left are tired of democrats who poses as liberal, run the election as a moderate, then moves slightly right of center after election on all issues except wedge issues like abortion and gun control. Republicans do the same, romney last election was a liberal, his record puts him left of obama, yet he campaigned as slightly right of center.

Neither side establishment is supporting candidates who back their constituents views but rather who they think can win while at the same time putting the party and it's donors above the people who elect them.
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Man thank you. I thought I was in crazy town for being the only person stating that Romney was more liberal than Obama. It's like nobody in the GOP was looking at that ass-clown's record as governor.
 
cpwill said:
According to the early polling of them, 35% of the non-Trump Republicans Will Definitely not vote for him in the General, and an additional 13% of the non-Trump Republicans Probably Will not vote for him in the General.

And that is before any actual massive negative campaign hits Trump.

I'm a Republican because it's a vehicle for conservatism. If the Republican party ceases to be a vehicle for conservatism, it ceases to be useful to me. I have had enough of leftist authoritarians to last me a lifetime, and have no intention of voting for a minimum of 4 years more.
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The post I was responding to was about a brokered convention, where the GOP appoints its own nominee. So are you saying you would go for that? Not just this year, but any year? Or only in the years where you like the one the GOP appoints?
 
reinoe said:
Man thank you. I thought I was in crazy town for being the only person stating that Romney was more liberal than Obama. It's like nobody in the GOP was looking at that ass-clown's record as governor.
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Romney isn't liberal. He's a moderate conservative. His fiscal views, especially. Corporations are people, privatize Social Security, eliminate taxes on interest and dividends and capital gains, trickle down economics, not to mention the social issues (anti-abortion, hate crime designation not needed, secret surveillance by govt is okay, against gay marriage), etc. The typical Republican positions. He's a bit more moderate on abortion, wanting Roe overturned, but other times saying he's personally against abortion but wouldn't change the laws to prevent it for others, or something like that.
 
AlbqOwl said:
There have been strong rumors going around that the GOP establishment is ready to force a brokered convention so they can push Romney forward as their candidate of choice. Of course they have to get him on the ballots everywhere first, so if we start seeing that happening, then we know that they intend an almost unprecedented thumb in the eye to the people who voted for Trump. And personally I think that would guarantee a Clinton victory in November.

I think they fear Cruz almost as much as they fear Trump but would take him as a last resort. It has been obvious that Rubio was the anointed one to get the nomination and it must be no end of frustration to the GOP party leaders that he has been so ineffective.

The thing is I don't personally think they give a damn about the economy or illegal immigration or Supreme Court nominations. They just don't want their power disturbed as they figure to get theirs and be long gone before anything seriously hits the fan. And the Democrats are no better.
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The GOP has one shot. Donald Trump. He is a douchebag, a liar, a political opportunist, his positions waver on a whim, he has no plan...and frankly...he sounds like damn near every other politician. He's just more abrasive and in your face about it. Even if the GOP structure doesnt like him, his supporters are the ones voting.
 
JumpinJack said:
The post I was responding to was about a brokered convention, where the GOP appoints its own nominee. So are you saying you would go for that? Not just this year, but any year? Or only in the years where you like the one the GOP appoints?
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Their problem will be the 45-50% of the party faithful plus the rest that is voting for him. DO they even bother going to the polls if they try to pull a bait and switch? And if they did...I'd bet money Trump would engage legal action AND run as an independent.
 
Romney can say what he wants...and Donald Trump will just roll this video clip....

 
Woah...

What if its all wrong. What if he comes out and ENDORSES Trump...and takes the lead as the VP front runner....
 
JumpinJack said:
The post I was responding to was about a brokered convention, where the GOP appoints its own nominee. So are you saying you would go for that? Not just this year, but any year? Or only in the years where you like the one the GOP appoints?
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A brokered convention is a possibility any cycle that a candidate can't appeal enough to a majority of Republican primary voters to get their vote.

That being said, Trump is a fascist. I have no intention of allowing the party to be hijacked by a liberal authoritarian, and am glad to find any way to stop him.
 
Who really cares what this has been has to say? Sure, he has every right to speak for the candidate of his choosing. We will have to wait and see what he has to say, and how far the establishment will go.
What worries me is that the GOP will completely disregard voters. I am no Trump fan. But let the voters speak. I hope the GOP won't manipulate for a desired outcome. If that happens, Republicans may reap the consequences. People are fed up.
Might not so bad though, for we really really need another significant party in the running, soon. Time will tell.
 
Helix said:
i truly doubt that any of the Trump supporting delusionists give **** one about what Mitt Romney thinks.
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Yep. They're not going to care what a moderate in-tone moderate says about a loud in tone liberal.

Maybe if Mitt started yelling "WALL" and "WINNING" a lot they would've ignored his various liberal tendencies or history back in 2012 like they're doing with Trump now.
 
JumpinJack said:
The post I was responding to was about a brokered convention, where the GOP appoints its own nominee. So are you saying you would go for that? Not just this year, but any year? Or only in the years where you like the one the GOP appoints?
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Any year that a person does not receive the required number of delegates I have no issue with a brokered convention. That's the way the rules are set up. That's the rules everyone knows going into a primary. You don't get to whine after the fact because you didn't do what you needed to do and get enough delegates.

If someone doesn't have enough delegates to reach a majority than the reality is that despite the claims that the "people" selected them, the reality is that less than half of the people did so and thus the majority of people voted for someone OTHER than that candidate. It's absolutely an acceptable process. If any candidate doesn't like it the answer is simple....win enough delegates.
 
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