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Mosul dam engineers warn it could fail at any time, killing 1m people

reinoe said:
No, like affluenza kid, we can just walk away.
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You can only walk away if you are a complete sociopath. As for affluenza kid, he is in jail. There are consequences for acting like a douche bag.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
****ing journalists. THe flavor of the piece was for sure that everyone in recent memory has neglected this dam.
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I know. The only reason I knew what I did is because I knew the guy that was running the project in Iraq after the US occupied it. My wife works for the same company. They restored the hydro electric turbines. Not only do they have a flooding problem but it is the biggest hydro electric generator in the country.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
Maybe this is just the "break" we've needed in order to get boots back on the ground over there. A few hundred workers with a few thousand soldiers providing cover from ISIS?

This is exactly what will need to happen in order to prevent it from collapsing.
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Yep, sure is.
 
longview said:
That could be bad, I am thinking they may need to open the sluice gates,
even if they have to use explosives.
The gates can be repaired later, if the dam goes the sluice gates go with it.
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If they break the gates then the reservoir runs dry and they still have a massive humanitarian crisis on their hands.
 
danarhea said:
Up to a million people dead if this dam collapses and, because the equipment used to maintain the dam has been looted by ISIS and other groups, it could go at any time.

Article is here.
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Wow.

Thanks for this- it's one of those stories I'd never hear about otherwise.

Infrastructure. It's a whole lot cheaper to keep it on good repair than pay for its failure.
 
NonoBadDog said:
I know. The only reason I knew what I did is because I knew the guy that was running the project in Iraq after the US occupied it. My wife works for the same company. They restored the hydro electric turbines. Not only do they have a flooding problem but it is the biggest hydro electric generator in the country.
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Or you could have, you know, read the article, which was pretty clear on ISIS's role.
 
Plan: We go old school with a red barron style bi-plane or whatever and drop leaflets out of the plane to the people in the "flood zone"/"kill zone" to warn them that says something like...


GTFO
That dam is gonna break and kill y'all because ISIS!!
Get out of the danger area while you can and if you can organize a melitia or something and take the area back from ISIS then get ahold of us
@ 1-USA-AME-RICA
and maybe we can help you fix the dam..

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Orly? said:
Plan: We go old school with a red barron style bi-plane or whatever and drop leaflets out of the plane to the people in the "flood zone"/"kill zone" to warn them that says something like...


GTFO
That dam is gonna break and kill y'all because ISIS!!
Get out of the danger area while you can and if you can organize a melitia or something and take the area back from ISIS then get ahold of us
@ 1-USA-AME-RICA
and maybe we can help you fix the dam..

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Don't tell me...


You're a big Trump supporter, eh?
 
Thrilla said:
agreed...I'm a Libertarian myself, and to be quite honest, if we see a problem like this that will potentially kill a million people, ... then we need to solve the problem before it happens..... politics matters not one bit in such situations.

and yes, our ignoring the Rwandan genocide is a monumental embarrassment and disgrace.... no doubt about it.
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I am a libertarian myself.. and this is not OUR problem. The Mosul Dam was one of the worst dams every build in the world. It's built on Gypsum and since 2006 US ACE (Army Corp of Engineers) and US Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction have flat out said it's not a question of if it fails but when. US Government and Military spend YEARS trying to convince the Iraqi Government to do certain plans. One of them was to build up the Badush Dam which is upstream of the Mosul Dam, Iraqi's didn't want to spend the $10b to do it. US ACE present a plan of stabilizing Mosul Dam by building up it's foundation. Iraqi Government rejected all plans.

So this is on Iraq's Government. They had roughly 10 years to fix this problem and ignored it because they were stealing money for themselves.

Rwanda? Rwanda was a UN screw up.
 
They were quick to sell the post war oil leases to China, maybe they should call them.
 
danarhea said:
Up to a million people dead if this dam collapses and, because the equipment used to maintain the dam has been looted by ISIS and other groups, it could go at any time.

Article is here.
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I guess that's one way to easily clear Mosul of ISIS!

"OMG!"

"It broke!"

"Too bad, ISIS!"
 
Orly? said:
Plan: We go old school with a red barron style bi-plane or whatever and drop leaflets out of the plane to the people in the "flood zone"/"kill zone" to warn them that says something like...


GTFO
That dam is gonna break and kill y'all because ISIS!!
Get out of the danger area while you can and if you can organize a melitia or something and take the area back from ISIS then get ahold of us
@ 1-USA-AME-RICA
and maybe we can help you fix the dam..

​
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Threegoofs said:
Don't tell me...


You're a big Trump supporter, eh?
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Yeah, but it was pretty funny IMO! :lamo
 
reinoe said:
No, like affluenza kid, we can just walk away.
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Or, even better, we should have never invaded. Now if that dam breaks the US will get the blame for it regardless of the reason.
 
Threegoofs said:
Or you could have, you know, read the article, which was pretty clear on ISIS's role.
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Where in the article did it say anything about hydro electric turbines?

The project manager had a security team that was supposed to have air evac available. When they needed it, being attacked by insurgents, they called the security team for an extraction and the security company admitted that they were counting on the Army to do the extractions for them so no extraction was available. They also had to pay the workers with cash so they had to drive on a road the only leads to the dam with briefcases of cash. They were hit once and decided to change security companies and change the way they moved cash. That was during OIF around 2004, way before ISIS.

http://asc.army.mil/docs/pubs/alt/2...rs_Puts_More_Megawatts_on_the_Grid_200501.pdf.

Your post is pretty much asinine crap. Do you have anything other than asinine crap to add?
 
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PoS said:
Or, even better, we should have never invaded. Now if that dam breaks the US will get the blame for it regardless of the reason.
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I've personally never cared for the opinions of the "Blame America First" crowd. Anyway since this dam was a disaster right from the start who gives a ****? We aren't responsible for the dam being constructed on sand 30 years ago.
 
NonoBadDog said:
Where in the article did it say anything about hydro electric turbines?

The project manager had a security team that was supposed to have air evac available. When they needed it, being attacked by insurgents, they called the security team for an extraction and the security company admitted that they were counting on the Army to do the extractions for them so no extraction was available. They also had to pay the workers with cash so they had to drive on a road the only leads to the dam with briefcases of cash. They were hit once and decided to change security companies and change the way they moved cash. That was during OIF around 2004, way before ISIS.

http://asc.army.mil/docs/pubs/alt/2...rs_Puts_More_Megawatts_on_the_Grid_200501.pdf.

Your post is pretty much asinine crap. Do you have anything other than asinine crap to add?
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Well while we all respect your expertise because your wife works at some company that had something to do with the dam, (and you 'know a guy'!) it's quite clear that the issues are known and the disruption in maintainence was primarily due to the ISIS occupation.
 
Threegoofs said:
Well while we all respect your expertise because your wife works at some company that had something to do with the dam, (and you 'know a guy'!) it's quite clear that the issues are known and the disruption in maintainence was primarily due to the ISIS occupation.
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No ****. I already said that. Glad you are keeping up.

Some substance mixed with asinine statement. It's an improvement.
 
Threegoofs said:
Well while we all respect your expertise because your wife works at some company that had something to do with the dam, (and you 'know a guy'!) it's quite clear that the issues are known and the disruption in maintainence was primarily due to the ISIS occupation.
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With as corrupt and incompetent as Baghdad has been, and with as stretched as the Kurds have been, with as incompetent as our occupation of Iraq was, I dont know that this dam was being taken care of before DAESH took the area. I am still trying to nail this down actually.
 
Sounds like Iraq's problem to me.

Let them handle it.
 
austrianecon said:
I am a libertarian myself.. and this is not OUR problem.
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Why does that matter? If a neighbor's house was on fire, I wouldn't refuse to help because it didn't affect me or because the neighbor left the stove on.
 
MadLib said:
Why does that matter? If a neighbor's house was on fire, I wouldn't refuse to help because it didn't affect me or because the neighbor left the stove on.
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This is more along the lines of "If I see a little old lady about to walk in front of a car do I go help her or do I let Mr Putin do it?" Sure Putin is probably wanting to walk her home to rob her and maybe rape her but that is kind of a different thing. Right?




I am just asking some questions that come to mind here.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
With as corrupt and incompetent as Baghdad has been, and with as stretched as the Kurds have been, with as incompetent as our occupation of Iraq was, I dont know that this dam was being taken care of before DAESH took the area. I am still trying to nail this down actually.
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We look forward to the results of your intensive internet browsing.
 
MadLib said:
Why does that matter? If a neighbor's house was on fire, I wouldn't refuse to help because it didn't affect me or because the neighbor left the stove on.
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It matters because if your neighbor kept ignoring your warning about their house, at what point do you just say enough?
 
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