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Seattle Underbelly Exposed as Homeless Camp Violence Flares

What I am going to say may not be popular, but it sorely needs to be said.

I am a Christian man, I wish no ill on anyone. I pray for the homeless and needy and they definitely need help and guidance.

But a lot of homeless people on the street are homeless by choice. It is a lifestyle choice. I visited San Francisco several times and saw many crusties in the park lecturing me on the evils of capitalism and materialism.

Many of these homeless people, if you were to offer them a job, job training, they would not take advantage of it. They only want free money, alcohol or drugs. Again, several times I have offered homeless people on the street free food but all they wanted was cash. I know many business owners that offered homeless people jobs and they said, "I make more money panhandling on the street."

These homeless people do not want to adhere to a 9-5 schedule. Working hard, earning a pay check is not something they want to do. They would rather dumpster dive and beg for money... and are proud of it.

Again, this may not be the most popular thing to say and might offend people but it's the truth and needs to be said.
 
Bucky said:
What I am going to say may not be popular, but it sorely needs to be said.

I am a Christian man, I wish no ill on anyone. I pray for the homeless and needy and they definitely need help and guidance.

But a lot of homeless people on the street are homeless by choice. It is a lifestyle choice. I visited San Francisco several times and saw many crusties in the park lecturing me on the evils of capitalism and materialism.

Many of these homeless people, if you were to offer them a job, job training, they would not take advantage of it. They only want free money, alcohol or drugs. Again, several times I have offered homeless people on the street free food but all they wanted was cash. I know many business owners that offered homeless people jobs and they said, "I make more money panhandling on the street."

These homeless people do not want to adhere to a 9-5 schedule. Working hard, earning a pay check is not something they want to do. They would rather dumpster dive and beg for money... and are proud of it.

Again, this may not be the most popular thing to say and might offend people but it's the truth and needs to be said.
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It is true in many cases.
 
truthatallcost said:
If we stopped hard drugs from coming in at the border, these places would probably cease to exist.

Funny though, being from California, I always thought Seattle and Vancouver area looked really nice. I see tons of homeless on my way to work each morning. Didn't think Seattle was that bad.
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The War on drugs was always a failure.
 
VanceMack said:
First you have to assume the homeless see themselves as a problem that is need of a solution. Salt Lake City is a good example. There are some OUTSTANDING shelter and relief agencies that provide long term care. In addition, the City has invested in apartments and case workers for the homeless. Costs 12-15k a year last I saw. The cost is offset by the amount of money saved by state funded behavioral health placement (at 1.8k a night), jail, emergency room visits, etc. As much as I believe in personal responsibility, it is also fiscally responsible to take a real swing at the problem.

Malcolm Gladwell wrote a chapter about a guy they called Million Dollar Murray in Reno Nevada. He was homeless and an addict. They estimate the state paid over a million dollars to NOT actually help Murray. In the end, he died of an overdose. Money spent does not mean money well spent.

The main shelter in SLC is private owned and run. They always have a bed, even in the dead of winter. If you dont sign up for the program you can still get a bed starting at 5pm, out by 8, and they provide 3 hot meals. If you sign up for their program you can progress through stages where you share semi private rooms, then private rooms, then they set you up in an apartment you actually have paid for by working in the shelter. It gives people a chance to catch their breath, get on their feet, stay clean, and move forward.

There are however a large number of people that would rather just sleep in the park, panhandle, and stay out year round. You cant fix everyone. You cant even help some people.
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Agreed. We as a society have a responsibility to help those that are in need and want help.
Cost per homeless person in Canada vary, (larger cities) doing nothing from 40-50 K to over 100 k a year.
 
Bucky said:
It is a joke. You see homeless people here setting up camps on the sidewalk. The police do nothing about it.

I refuse to provide a dime to these parasites. It is funny because I always offer to buy them food at the grocery store and they refuse every time. One time I offered a sealed candy bar to a lady and she said "What am I supposed to do with that? Come back with money."

I blame weak leadership. The leaders of Seattle care more about paying for rainbow sidewalks than fixing the real problems hurting Seattle.
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You're kind. I remember my dad offering a homeless guy to help us work (we were doing a lot of yard work). 5 hours, we give him lunch and dinner, and 6 bucks an hour under the table.

Guy flat out refused us.

We now make it a point to never give to homeless people pretty much. They can go **** themselves. The old ones maybe. But no one else.
 
JANFU said:
The War on drugs was always a failure.
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I think I'd trade California for Seattle if I could afford it. Lived in Portland for a few years before the rents started going out of control. Portland was the best place I ever lived. Funny they're so liberal up there, but its like 80% white, so they don't have to deal with the destructive results of liberalism.
Drugs are pretty much legal up there from what I hear.
 
Bucky said:
What I am going to say may not be popular, but it sorely needs to be said.

I am a Christian man, I wish no ill on anyone. I pray for the homeless and needy and they definitely need help and guidance.

But a lot of homeless people on the street are homeless by choice. It is a lifestyle choice. I visited San Francisco several times and saw many crusties in the park lecturing me on the evils of capitalism and materialism.

Many of these homeless people, if you were to offer them a job, job training, they would not take advantage of it. They only want free money, alcohol or drugs. Again, several times I have offered homeless people on the street free food but all they wanted was cash. I know many business owners that offered homeless people jobs and they said, "I make more money panhandling on the street."

These homeless people do not want to adhere to a 9-5 schedule. Working hard, earning a pay check is not something they want to do. They would rather dumpster dive and beg for money... and are proud of it.

Again, this may not be the most popular thing to say and might offend people but it's the truth and needs to be said.
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The left would say your thoughts are a myth. I have seen the same as you.
 
Top Cat said:
Typical right wing response. Make it someone else's problem. Seattle natives embrace compassion so much so they even allow those less fortunate such as yourself to blend in. MUST REALLY SUCK FOR YOU.
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I'm offering solutions Top Cat. I may not be an aristocrat like yourself probably living in your ivory tower eating bonbons and risotto but I have actually helped homeless people and offered my time in soup kitchens.
 
Bucky said:
I'm offering solutions Top Cat..
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100% pure unadulterated Bull**** you are and neither did you hero that jackwagon Rudy Giuliani. Moving homeless people out of town is anything but a solution. It doesn't solve the problem, it just makes it someone else's problem.

Typical right wing myopia from Bucky.
 
Bucky said:
What I am going to say may not be popular, but it sorely needs to be said.

I am a Christian man, I wish no ill on anyone. I pray for the homeless and needy and they definitely need help and guidance.

But a lot of homeless people on the street are homeless by choice. It is a lifestyle choice. I visited San Francisco several times and saw many crusties in the park lecturing me on the evils of capitalism and materialism.

Many of these homeless people, if you were to offer them a job, job training, they would not take advantage of it. They only want free money, alcohol or drugs. Again, several times I have offered homeless people on the street free food but all they wanted was cash. I know many business owners that offered homeless people jobs and they said, "I make more money panhandling on the street."

These homeless people do not want to adhere to a 9-5 schedule. Working hard, earning a pay check is not something they want to do. They would rather dumpster dive and beg for money... and are proud of it.

Again, this may not be the most popular thing to say and might offend people but it's the truth and needs to be said.
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Of course there are many homeless that are on the street by choice. But there are also many that are not. Funny how you made no mention of them.
 
Bucky said:
What I am going to say may not be popular, but it sorely needs to be said.

I am a Christian man, I wish no ill on anyone. I pray for the homeless and needy and they definitely need help and guidance.

But a lot of homeless people on the street are homeless by choice. It is a lifestyle choice. I visited San Francisco several times and saw many crusties in the park lecturing me on the evils of capitalism and materialism.

Many of these homeless people, if you were to offer them a job, job training, they would not take advantage of it. They only want free money, alcohol or drugs. Again, several times I have offered homeless people on the street free food but all they wanted was cash. I know many business owners that offered homeless people jobs and they said, "I make more money panhandling on the street."

These homeless people do not want to adhere to a 9-5 schedule. Working hard, earning a pay check is not something they want to do. They would rather dumpster dive and beg for money... and are proud of it.

Again, this may not be the most popular thing to say and might offend people but it's the truth and needs to be said.
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I will ask you again:

You said homeless people are 'parasites'.

Tens of thousands of veterans ARE homeless people.

So are you saying a homeless veteran is a parasite?

Yes or no?
 
Top Cat said:
Of course there are many homeless that are on the street by choice. But there are also many that are not. Funny how you made no mention of them.
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As Donald Trump said, nobody supports or wants people dying not the streets. Most of us have compassion and at the core, decent human beings. However, homeless people will always exist in our society. Some unfortunate individuals will be left behind.

I fully support a Rudy Guiliani type attitude towards curtailing the homeless population in Seattle. The Seattle police need to do their job and arrest homeless people on the street and forcefully put them into homeless shelters.

Again, I say this with compassion and love. Hate Rudy Guiliani all you want, but he got results in New York. Seattle politicians have done very little.
 
Bucky said:
As Donald Trump said, nobody supports or wants people dying not the streets. Most of us have compassion and at the core, decent human beings. However, homeless people will always exist in our society. Some unfortunate individuals will be left behind.

I fully support a Rudy Guiliani type attitude towards curtailing the homeless population in Seattle. The Seattle police need to do their job and arrest homeless people on the street and forcefully put them into homeless shelters.
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Or what, shoot em?

Again, I say this with compassion and love.
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Oh yeah, compassionate conservatism. I think not.


Hate Rudy Guiliani all you want, .
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Rudy didn't solve the homeless problem. He didn't even try. He just made it someone else's problem. That's right wing accountability at its finest.
 
DA60 said:
I will ask you again:

You said homeless people are 'parasites'.

Tens of thousands of veterans ARE homeless people.

So are you saying a homeless veteran is a parasite?

Yes or no?
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Bucky is living in a little fantasy world where up is down, wrong is right and dark is light.
 
Luftwaffe said:
You're kind. I remember my dad offering a homeless guy to help us work (we were doing a lot of yard work). 5 hours, we give him lunch and dinner, and 6 bucks an hour under the table.

Guy flat out refused us.

We now make it a point to never give to homeless people pretty much. They can go **** themselves. The old ones maybe. But no one else.
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Years ago, in Downtown Seattle I was going Christmas shopping with my wife. We parked our car. Right by where we parked there was a young man seated on the sidewalk playing his guitar. His guitar case was littered with coins and a few dollar bills. Like many people, I was and to some extent still am adverse to giving homeless money. My wife reached over and gave the guy ten bucks.

We walked to the store (Frederick & Nelson, points if you know its history). As we were walking into the store, I realized that I had forgotten to feed the parking meter. So I told my wife I'd meet her inside. As i walked the 3 blocks back to my car, I got about 100 yards away from my car, I could see the young man feeding my meter.

Yeah, I felt like a real schmuck right about then. I stopped and brought him lunch to ease my conscience.

The truth is, you just never know who the person really is until you know who the person really is.
 
Bucky said:
As Donald Trump said, nobody supports or wants people dying not the streets. Most of us have compassion and at the core, decent human beings. However, homeless people will always exist in our society. Some unfortunate individuals will be left behind.

I fully support a Rudy Guiliani type attitude towards curtailing the homeless population in Seattle. The Seattle police need to do their job and arrest homeless people on the street and forcefully put them into homeless shelters.

Again, I say this with compassion and love. Hate Rudy Guiliani all you want, but he got results in New York. Seattle politicians have done very little.
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Earlier in the thread you called them 'parasites'

'It is a joke. You see homeless people here setting up camps on the sidewalk. The police do nothing about it.

I refuse to provide a dime to these parasites.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...nce-flares-post1065616749.html#post1065616749

Do you often call people you love 'parasites'?
 
Bucky said:
I'm offering solutions Top Cat. I may not be an aristocrat like yourself probably living in your ivory tower eating bonbons and risotto but I have actually helped homeless people and offered my time in soup kitchens.
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You offered your time to help people you call 'parasites'.

Suuuuuuure you did.
 
Bucky said:
I'm offering solutions Top Cat. I may not be an aristocrat like yourself probably living in your ivory tower eating bonbons and risotto but I have actually helped homeless people and offered my time in soup kitchens.
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So have I and probably so many others here on this board.

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