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Passengers laugh and cheer as seven-year-old forced to leave U.S. flight over allergi

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ludin said:
depending on where you are going a 2 hour delay is huge. 9/10 it means you have missed your next flight have to be rescheduled or put on standbye.
it really is a huge inconvience for everyone else.

I know I had this happen to me recently.
I was on my way back from Europe and we got out onto the run way to take off and we had to go back
because someone said they were to sick to fly. 2.5 hours later we finally took off.

not fun. in this case I don't blame the boy I blame the stupidity of allowing pets in the main cabin.
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I'm well aware, but they do happen. I got a lot of evil looks on what was supposed to be a flight leaving at about 11p from SEATAC to Chicago, but that didn't leave until 2 and we were all told we had to make arrangements for connecting flights. I was the only person happy to change flights because it meant I got to spend some time with my husband who was in Chicago at the time, before I flew home to NC (I had actually tried to change to the same later flight I ended up on anyway earlier in my trip, and the Navy travel people said I couldn't). I understand the frustration that can come from having to wait on a plane when an issue comes up (I average a round trip flight at least once a year), but that doesn't mean I wouldn't have compassion for the family that is having issues. You wait until the captain basically says the plane can now leave, then you can clap. Hopefully the captain wasn't making such an announcement while the family was getting off the plane.
 
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roguenuke said:
I'm well aware, but they do happen. I got a lot of evil looks on what was supposed to be a flight leaving at about 11p from SEATAC to Chicago, but that didn't leave until 2 and we were all told we had to make arrangements for connecting flights. I was the only person happy to change flights because it meant I got to spend some time with my husband who was in Chicago at the time, before I flew home to NC (I had actually tried to change to the same later flight I ended up on anyway earlier in my trip, and the Navy travel people said I couldn't). I understand the frustration that can come from having to wait on a plane when an issue comes up (I average a round trip flight at least once a year), but that doesn't mean I wouldn't have compassion for the family that is having issues. You wait until the captain basically says the plane can now leave, then you can clap. Hopefully the captain wasn't making such an announcement while the family was getting off the plane.
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usually the captain keeps people informed of take off and such.

I fly a lot. so if he made an announcement it was to keep people informed of what was going on nothing more.
I had a similar situation. person was to sick to fly. so we had to taxi back to the terminal.
they had to wait for medical and services to get them off. then they had to unload their luggage.
then they had to put the luggage back on etc ...

then we had to taxi back out and wait our turn again. 2 hour delay on a 9 hour flight is not fun.
of course that person should have known they were too sick to begin with.

the airlines shouldn't allow pets on planes as some people have allergies to them.
they don't serve those honey roasted peanuts because of allergies so why should people be able to bring their pets on?
 
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digsbe said:
Honestly the thing for me sparks the debate of pets on planes and in public places.

I'm asthmatic, and I may have a potentially deadly asthma attack when around dogs or cats. When I'm around a dog in public I'll get sick, my allergies are very sensitive to them. This kid had an allergic reaction because a dog was on the plane. Many people are allergic to animals, many have asthmatic reactions. I don't see why this kid had to suffer for the sake of some animal.
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First of all, I am sorry you have this horrible affliction, and my heart goes out to you.
The responsibility, however, goes to the one with allergies. Know your triggers and prepare.
When out in public/public transportation, you do not have the right to have everyone else put their lives on hold just in case someone with allergies may pass by.
Bring your medicine.
Do NOT expect all passengers who came in contact with animals to deboard the plane. Make prior arrangements if necessary.
This event was handles perfectly...see my prior post.
 
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ludin said:
usually the captain keeps people informed of take off and such.

I fly a lot. so if he made an announcement it was to keep people informed of what was going on nothing more.
I had a similar situation. person was to sick to fly. so we had to taxi back to the terminal.
they had to wait for medical and services to get them off. then they had to unload their luggage.
then they had to put the luggage back on etc ...

then we had to taxi back out and wait our turn again. 2 hour delay on a 9 hour flight is not fun.
of course that person should have known they were too sick to begin with.

the airlines shouldn't allow pets on planes as some people have allergies to them.
they don't serve those honey roasted peanuts because of allergies so why should people be able to bring their pets on?
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I don't have much issue with airlines allowing pets on planes, especially service animals, except that they should be very clear about their policies, ensure that their planes are cleaned well after each flight that has pets on them, and all passengers are informed of pets on a flight with them and of what seat the pet is in. It sounds like the dog was close to the family. Had the family known that there was going to be a dog close to them before they got on the flight, it is quite possible that arrangements to move the family or the pet passenger(s) could have been made beforehand and the pet carrying passengers could have been asked to please keep their pets in the carriers for the flight duration if at all possible. The problem is that once triggered, the allergic reaction can take a while to go away, even if the allergen is removed.

Oh, and not all airlines have done away with peanuts. It just depends.
 
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ludin said:
usually the captain keeps people informed of take off and such.

I fly a lot. so if he made an announcement it was to keep people informed of what was going on nothing more.
I had a similar situation. person was to sick to fly. so we had to taxi back to the terminal.
they had to wait for medical and services to get them off. then they had to unload their luggage.
then they had to put the luggage back on etc ...

then we had to taxi back out and wait our turn again. 2 hour delay on a 9 hour flight is not fun.
of course that person should have known they were too sick to begin with.

the airlines shouldn't allow pets on planes as some people have allergies to them.
they don't serve those honey roasted peanuts because of allergies so why should people be able to bring their pets on?
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You don't have to carry a pet on board. In many cases, people who have had contact with pets can trigger an allergic reaction. What are we to do? Stop anyone who owns a pet from boarding public transport?
What's next? Restaurants stop serving anything that could possibly trigger allergies?
 
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roguenuke said:
According to some passengers, while the same article says that other passengers considered the applause rude and "not right".
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It seems like they took appropriate steps. But reading some of the comments here, perhaps they should have kicked out anyone who had contact with a pet. Perhaps then the other half would have applauded.
 
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Lovebug said:
You don't have to carry a pet on board. In many cases, people who have had contact with pets can trigger an allergic reaction. What are we to do? Stop anyone who owns a pet from boarding public transport?
What's next? Restaurants stop serving anything that could possibly trigger allergies?
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But that wasn't the case here. In this case, there was a pet onboard, and in fact fairly close to the family, since it says that they were moved away from the animal. That means that likely the allergy is more of a close contact deal.

Restaurants inform people when their food comes into contact with possible common allergens, at least most do. This is why I believe it should be a policy to inform people when there will be a pet flying on the plane, in the passenger compartment, giving anyone with allergies a heads up to work with the airlines to at least move them or possibly arrange a later flight before the plane even starts boarding.
 
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Lovebug said:
First of all, I am sorry you have this horrible affliction, and my heart goes out to you.
The responsibility, however, goes to the one with allergies. Know your triggers and prepare.
When out in public/public transportation, you do not have the right to have everyone else put their lives on hold just in case someone with allergies may pass by.
Bring your medicine.
Do NOT expect all passengers who came in contact with animals to deboard the plane. Make prior arrangements if necessary.
This event was handles perfectly...see my prior post.
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you are 100% wrong. you where never allowed to have your pet in the main cabin.
it was put in a carrier and checked into a hold on the plane (not the normal luggage compartment).

then all of a sudden stupidity hit. ol I can't fly without fluffy being beside me on the plane.
instead of ignoring the minority of people they caved. now airlines allow (travel companions)
what a load of nonsense.

why should everyone else on the plane be inconvenienced because of 1 person? the fact is they shouldn't
but we have become the society of stupid.

airlines shouldn't be letting pets in the cabin.
 
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Lovebug said:
It seems like they took appropriate steps. But reading some of the comments here, perhaps they should have kicked out anyone who had contact with a pet. Perhaps then the other half would have applauded.
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Very few comments said anything like that. Some are saying that pets shouldn't fly, but that is different than a human coming into contact with an animal being kept from a plane. Its called having reasonable policies to help all people. At one time, pets couldn't fly on most airlines in the passenger compartment, even service animals. Now, with more airlines allowing such things, this means that they should also take into account passengers who might have severe allergies to animals, and to at least keep them informed. Because that is one thing I haven't heard when noticing people flying with their pets, is any announcement or even comment at ticketing informing other passengers of a potential common allergen producer in the same space as them, potentially in the same area as them.
 
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Lovebug said:
You don't have to carry a pet on board. In many cases, people who have had contact with pets can trigger an allergic reaction. What are we to do? Stop anyone who owns a pet from boarding public transport?
What's next? Restaurants stop serving anything that could possibly trigger allergies?
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I guess you have never been to a restaurant lately. they do in fact warn people on the menu's which foods contain possible allergins.
such as wheat or nuts.
 
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Severe allergy sufferers can be reactive just by being in the vicinity of a trigger. Planes aren't sterilized before reboarding. So whether a pet in boarded, or the pet owner is full of dander, makes little difference.
Restaurants have warnings, but that does not guarantee exposure to certain triggers. It is a risk you take when out in public.
We have control over ourselves. We don't have control over everyone else.
 
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Lovebug said:
Severe allergy sufferers can be reactive just by being in the vicinity of a trigger. Planes aren't sterilized before reboarding. So whether a pet in boarded, or the pet owner is full of dander, makes little difference.
Restaurants have warnings, but that does not guarantee exposure to certain triggers. It is a risk you take when out in public.
We have control over ourselves. We don't have control over everyone else.
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Yes, it is a risk, but it is one that people should be warned about, especially if they are potentially flying next to a common allergen producer. Asking that the airlines actually cleanup the aircraft and that they inform people when someone is flying with a pet is not an unreasonable accommodation to ask of airlines. Even expecting the airline to make a reasonable accommodation to either move the person (and their family) or the person with the pet or to perhaps put them (usually the person with the allergy, but possibly the person with the pet depending on the circumstances) on a later flight (prior to an allergic reaction being triggered) isn't unreasonable.
 
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gdgyva said:
Sometimes it has to be animals along with humans

I know two individuals that travel with dogs

First is my daughter who has a 45 lb service dog that helps control her ptsd

He goes everywhere with her....everywhere

She has all the required medical paperwork, and the dog was specially trained

The second is an acquaintance who is blind, and travels with his 80 lb German Shepard

People bringing pets on planes...not so much

People being allowed to travel with service animals...you bet your ass
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My mistake, I never considered service animals.
Thank you for bringing that to my attention.
 
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ludin said:
you are 100% wrong. you where never allowed to have your pet in the main cabin.
it was put in a carrier and checked into a hold on the plane (not the normal luggage compartment).

then all of a sudden stupidity hit. ol I can't fly without fluffy being beside me on the plane.
instead of ignoring the minority of people they caved. now airlines allow (travel companions)
what a load of nonsense.

why should everyone else on the plane be inconvenienced because of 1 person? the fact is they shouldn't
but we have become the society of stupid.

airlines shouldn't be letting pets in the cabin.
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well according to the stats 5-10% of people have pet allergies....that means 90% don't

the airline is a business and they have the right to decide what best suits their business....it is quite clear from doing a 10 second google search that there are some airlines that will not take pets under any circumstance...if someone has a life threatening allergy it is incumbent upon them to ensure their own saftety

perhaps in this case the family were unaware of the child's extreme allergy, if not I would still give them a pass due to the fact that the father is terminal and they have enough to worry about

however, America is rich and pet obsessed, that's reality.

if people can afford it and the airlines allow it, then animals are gonna fly...that is life
 
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digsbe said:
Honestly the thing for me sparks the debate of pets on planes and in public places.

I'm asthmatic, and I may have a potentially deadly asthma attack when around dogs or cats. When I'm around a dog in public I'll get sick, my allergies are very sensitive to them. This kid had an allergic reaction because a dog was on the plane. Many people are allergic to animals, many have asthmatic reactions. I don't see why this kid had to suffer for the sake of some animal.
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I think most airlines only allow "support" animals in the cabin, and I thought I read that was the case here. So, it was a balancing of a mental issue vs. a physical issue.



The passengers behavior was still disgusting, of course.
 
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In this case I'm going to wait and see, as well. I'm suspecting the family kicked off wasn't quite as innocent as they portray themselves.
 
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_Sal said:
well according to the stats 5-10% of people have pet allergies....that means 90% don't

the airline is a business and they have the right to decide what best suits their business....it is quite clear from doing a 10 second google search that there are some airlines that will not take pets under any circumstance...if someone has a life threatening allergy it is incumbent upon them to ensure their own saftety

perhaps in this case the family were unaware of the child's extreme allergy, if not I would still give them a pass due to the fact that the father is terminal and they have enough to worry about

however, America is rich and pet obsessed, that's reality.

if people can afford it and the airlines allow it, then animals are gonna fly...that is life
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the problem is people are not paying for it. they are considered anxiety animals. you can pay 250 bucks whether you have
an issue or not and you pet gets to fly in the cabin free of charge.

a friend of mine had this happen to him when he was flying and the dogs pooped in the cabin.
that is just friggen disgusting. pets have boxes. that is where they need to be when you travel.
 
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For those unaware of the capability of service animals....it is mind blowing: guide dogs for the blind, hearing impaired, seizure detectors, ability to detect low blood sugar in order to prevent diabetic comas, task performers to button, zip and fetch, calming animals who prevent panic attacks, and it isn't just dogs, cats, birds, monkeys, miniature horses,

this gives people freedom and a life so for those against animals on planes you can prepare for the fight of your life because it will be viewed as attempting to limit those with challenges.

and don't say I am labeling you, I am not...I am merely presenting the other side
 
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_Sal said:
For those unaware of the capability of service animals....it is mind blowing: guide dogs for the blind, hearing impaired, seizure detectors, ability to detect low blood sugar in order to prevent diabetic comas, task performers to button, zip and fetch, calming animals who prevent panic attacks, and it isn't just dogs, cats, birds, monkeys, miniature horses,

this gives people freedom and a life so for those against animals on planes you can prepare for the fight of your life because it will be viewed as attempting to limit those with challenges.

and don't say I am labeling you, I am not...I am merely presenting the other side
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yep and they can be put in a pet carrier with no issue.
 
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digsbe said:
Honestly the thing for me sparks the debate of pets on planes and in public places.

I'm asthmatic, and I may have a potentially deadly asthma attack when around dogs or cats. When I'm around a dog in public I'll get sick, my allergies are very sensitive to them. This kid had an allergic reaction because a dog was on the plane. Many people are allergic to animals, many have asthmatic reactions. I don't see why this kid had to suffer for the sake of some animal.
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Try practicing holding your breath.

If you can train yourself to be able to hold your breath for 90 seconds you will be free of asthma.
 
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JANFU said:
Now that is not possible. You know that as well as I.
I do think your post was short on common knowledge for those with allergies.
What is fact is that the child did have a reaction to an allergy.
Word always travels when an issue arises on a flight. Perhaps you have not flown often. I have.

Some people were laughing and other such repugnant behaviors.
Though if it was their family member(s), well the reaction would be completely different? Yes?? No? reasoning if No

Now pets flying on airlines, we know that planes have a quick turnaround due to costs.
How well do they sanitize those areas where a passenger travels with a pet? Do you have the answer to that? Yes? No?

Then we have where people take their pets outside of the carrier. This spreads dander, the activator for an allergic reaction.
Clearly you were not aware, nor did you research reactions, cleaning of aircraft.
Some links on allergies and reactions.

Dog Allergies: Symptoms, Causes, and Treatments

The Asthma Center | News
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"What is fact .... ". The problem with this thread is that none of us knows the facts.
 
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ludin said:
the problem is people are not paying for it. they are considered anxiety animals. you can pay 250 bucks whether you have
an issue or not and you pet gets to fly in the cabin free of charge.

a friend of mine had this happen to him when he was flying and the dogs pooped in the cabin.
that is just friggen disgusting. pets have boxes. that is where they need to be when you travel.
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pets are gonna poop, people puke into a puke bag, the poop can be cleaned and sterilized quickly enough,

as our populations grow and we are squeezed closer together, tolerance is going to become a big factor in people's happiness, it probably already is actually

having said that, not much bothers me

at all
 
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ludin said:
yep and they can be put in a pet carrier with no issue.
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that is going to be up to the airline whom you are paying a fee to for service

it is going to be very hard to put a 80 lb dog into a carrier
 
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