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Suspect reportedly indicted in burning death of Mississippi teen Jessica Chambers

Hatuey said:
I'm happy that you're calling your own strategy, when tried by others, "Stormfront garbage". I agree, it is Stormfront garbage for you to try and ignore basic history and blame Africans for their own enslavement by using single incidents or worse -- a complete revision of history without much care for how your facts are used to create an argument.
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Who sold the African slaves to the white colonialists?
 
Hatuey said:
Calamity, I've assigned blame to nobody. This is your show so far and it's absurdly entertaining to watch you claim that Africans were to blame for their own enslavement. Is that a position supported by the fine folks at UC Berkeley? I am sure it's as popular as Jessica Chambers is to blame for her own death. :lol:
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Africans sold the slaves to whites. Fact. A black man was the first person in North America to turn a black indentured servant into a lifelong slave. Also a fact.

Sad to see that you can't handle to truth.
 
Kobie said:
All of them?
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calamity said:
Who sold the African slaves to the white colonialists?
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Calamity really is trying hard. He has been all over the place in this thread. First, he blames Jessica Chambers for her horrible death. Then, he tries a strategy that he himself admits is Stormfront garbage when tried by others. However, not him, because apparently he has real American history on his side. Which he supports by using UC Berkeley, a school that time and time has shown it has no problem with placing the creation of the transatlantic on the heads of European Empires coming out of the proverbial darkness of the Middle Ages. That really takes a lot of chutzpah.
 
calamity said:
Africans sold the slaves to whites. Fact. A black man was the first person in North America to turn a black indentured servant into a lifelong slave. Also a fact.

Sad to see that you can't handle to truth.
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Calamity, why won't you answer the question? Are Africans to blame for their enslavement or not? It's a simple yes or no question.
 
Hatuey said:
Calamity, why won't you answer the question? Are Africans to blame for their enslavement or not? It's a simple yes or no question.
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If it was Africans who sold them into slavery, then in-general, yes. And Africans as a whole did nothing to stop the legal practice either.
It was a money maker.

Was the individual to blame? Unless they purposely put their self into the position in which slavery was or could be the a known outcome, no. Which is wholly irrelevant to the first point.

Trying to blame the participants who engaged in a legal practice is asinine.
 
calamity said:
Judging by your spelling, I surmise you live outside the US. So, I'll just put it this way--you don't know what the **** you are talking about. Live here. Spend a few decades living in the US, and then I'll maybe take your comments on race serious. Until then, I just see someone from another country who thinks he knows it all passing judgement on something that is way over his head.
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I’m not sure that condemning someone for not being American is the best defence against an accusation of racism. I think I’ve made my point.
 
HonestJoe said:
I’m not sure that condemning someone for not being American is the best defence against an accusation of racism. I think I’ve made my point.
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Nah, you threw out a lazy comment from thousands of miles away. Accusing someone of racism, without having any real idea of what is being discussed, is pretty lame.

There is no question that this case is being short-changed by our media. If there was a white man jailed today for burning a black woman in Mississippi and strangling or whatever an Asian girl in Louisiana, the media would be all over this case mining for quotes and background on the suspect and both victims. It would have been the biggest story in the country all week. We would have heard about every detail of the thug, and if no actual racism was found about him, we would have been hearing about his distant cousins who were in the KKK back in 1968.

But, of course, you, living in some some other reality, wouldn't know that. In fact, you saying this crime has nothing to do with race, while saying anyone bringing race into it is racist, proves it.
 
Hatuey said:
Calamity, why won't you answer the question? Are Africans to blame for their enslavement or not? It's a simple yes or no question.
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The Africans who sold the slaves to white colonialists are just as responsible for slavery as the whip-crackers. Yes. Why do you believe only whites are to blame for slavery? Racist?
 
Hatuey said:
Calamity really is trying hard. He has been all over the place in this thread. First, he blames Jessica Chambers for her horrible death. Then, he tries a strategy that he himself admits is Stormfront garbage when tried by others. However, not him, because apparently he has real American history on his side. Which he supports by using UC Berkeley, a school that time and time has shown it has no problem with placing the creation of the transatlantic on the heads of European Empires coming out of the proverbial darkness of the Middle Ages. That really takes a lot of chutzpah.
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Believing only whites were responsible for slavery is naive at best and racist at worst.

You're the one who keeps bringing up Stormfront. I provided a link to UCB which showed you the first person in N America to enslave a Black man for life was himself Black. You replied that this was Stormfront propaganda, while ignoring the actual fact that it was true history.

Why do you deny the truth about a Black man being the driver behind slave ownership? Are you racist?
 
calamity said:
Believing only whites were responsible for slavery is naive at best and racist at worst.

You're the one who keeps bringing up Stormfront. I provided a link to UCB which showed you the first person in N America to enslave a Black man for life was himself Black. You replied that this was Stormfront propaganda, while ignoring the actual fact that it was true history.

Why do you deny the truth about a Black man being the driver behind slave ownership? Are you racist?
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Calamity, you've tried to blame blacks for their enslavement and your evidence relies on a single incident in US history. That's pretty silly. Would you like see how UC Berkeley feels about your premise?
 
Hatuey said:
Calamity, you've tried to blame blacks for their enslavement and your evidence relies on a single incident in US history. That's pretty silly. Would you like see how UC Berkeley feels about your premise?
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I didn't blame blacks for their enslavement. I pointed out facts that showed some Black involvement in the slave trade and that black people also owned slaves. You, OTOH, have denied this fact like a child pretending he didn't eat the missing cookies.

BTW, there was more than just one Black slave owner.

https://www.kon.org/urc/v4/tikhomirova.html

Many blacks, like their white counterparts, became landowning farmers and participants in the local affairs of society. A few black masters owned slaves in West Africa and transported their slaves to the New World (Johnson & Roark, 1984). Although such cases were rare, they serve to reaffirm that slavery initially was not based on skin color.

Other black masters were former slaves who were emancipated for meritorious military duty, faithful service, saving a life, and other such reasons (Halliburton, 1976; Koger, 1995). Some slaves were able to buy their freedom and that of their relatives or friends by spending years working on Sundays and doing extra work after their "normal" working hours.

The rights of blacks to own slaves were always a matter of contention and depended upon place and time. In some instances being unable to manumit their loved ones, some black masters were forced to hold their kinsmen and friends as nominal slaves (Koger, 1995). In 1833, a Supreme Court decision settled the matter regarding the rights of free Blacks to own slaves. Judge Daniel speaking for the Court rendered the following decision: "By the laws of this State [North Carolina] a free man of color may own land and hold land and personal property including slaves…." A good number of black slave owners obtained the capital to buy slaves through their own industry and their work as artisans, entrepreneurs, and even as unskilled laborers. Selective manumission, absence of large-scale European immigration to the slave states and long-standing reliance on black slave labor produced a highly skilled free black population that enjoyed a higher economic standing than those in the free states. Some of these free blacks purchased slaves and moved into the planter class (Koger, 1995, p. 88).
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calamity said:
Nah, you threw out a lazy comment from thousands of miles away. Accusing someone of racism, without having any real idea of what is being discussed, is pretty lame.
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Did you or did you not respond differently to this case than you would normally based solely on the relative skin colours of the suspect and victim? Would you have started a thread at all about a similar case involving a white suspect and black victim?

calamity said:
If there was a white man jailed today for burning a black woman in Mississippi and strangling or whatever an Asian girl in Louisiana, the media would be all over this case mining for quotes and background on the suspect and both victims.
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That’s quite possible. I’m not claiming that you’re the only racist in America, only that you’re part of the problem.

calamity said:
In fact, you saying this crime has nothing to do with race, while saying anyone bringing race into it is racist, proves it.
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I’m not saying the case has nothing to do with race or that bringing race in to it is automatically racist. I’m saying that assuming that race is relevant because it involved a black suspect (in a way you wouldn’t had it been a white suspect) and having a different attitude to that suspect because he is black is racist.
 
HonestJoe said:
Did you or did you not respond differently to this case than you would normally based solely on the relative skin colours of the suspect and victim? Would you have started a thread at all about a similar case involving a white suspect and black victim?
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This story would be handled in a completely different manner by the media if the skin colors were reversed. That's exactly the point I've been making regarding this line of discussion.

I too would be looking at this story differently if the races were reversed. If the killer was white and his two victims black and Asian, this story's race angle would have been over-hyped instead of just ignored like it is today. I would have been looking for that, and I would have pointed that fact out. Not because I am racist, but rather because the media's narrative when handling stories in these situations is racist. That too is my point.

That’s quite possible. I’m not claiming that you’re the only racist in America, only that you’re part of the problem.
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Well, it's good that you don't have to live here then. Right? That way you can sit on your high horse and pass judgement from afar.

I’m not saying the case has nothing to do with race or that bringing race in to it is automatically racist. I’m saying that assuming that race is relevant because it involved a black suspect (in a way you wouldn’t had it been a white suspect) and having a different attitude to that suspect because he is black is racist.
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I repeat that you are missing the point and haven't a clue what the point is, primarily because you do not live here.
 
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