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Obama to unveil Guantanamo Bay closure plan

Three possible locations - Colorado, South Carolina and Kansas - have already rejected hosting Gitmo detainees.
 
FieldTheorist said:
Yeah, my thoughts, too. However, I'll also submit the following question: Why now? Why not 7 years ago? Why not abolish torture as a Federal mandate, and while he's at it, give an Executive order on droning policy?
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It was practically beneficial to his Presidency for the past 7 years.

It is ideologically beneficial to his Legacy for the following decades.

Thus right on the tail end, when he won't have to deal with any potential political fall out, or be without any of it's benefit, he'll take action.
 
danarhea said:
The idea for pushing this now didn't come from Obama, although he has always wanted this and campaigned on it, but pretty much gave up on it until now. It is coming from the military. I would say that some in the military want it closed too. Republicans are going to block it nonetheless. Obama already knows this, so in an election year............. Make it an issue.
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The military does not want the base closed down.
 
So if incarcerating known terrorists is a stain on America, as some claim, what are you going to do with terrorists when you catch them?

Execute them on the battlefield?

Or I suppose the US should adopt a 'catch and release' such as they do with criminal illegal aliens?

How's either of them make any sense?

The US criminal justice system and criminal correction system isn't the place for them, where as a military prison and a military tribunal probably is.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Thats it needed to be closed long ago... Its a shameful stain on America
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I don't think it needs to be closed. I don't want them moved inside the country. Keep them in Gitmo. It seems to me it is a very well run, secure facility. I spoke to a person that was a guard there for a while, this is about ten years ago when the libs were pushing what a horrible country we are and we are so mean to the terrorists in Gitmo. He laughed about, he said they we treated so well, better than most prisoners anywhere. But, hey, that's one guy I spoke to with first hand knowledge.

Maybe the torture chambers were kept in a secret area that he didn't know about? Oh, and all the accusations about how horrible Gitmo is and how bad we are don't come from the rest of the world, it comes from the good old Democrat party right here.
 
danarhea said:
Pentagon poised to submit plan for closing Guantanamo Bay | TheHill
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The military gets a list of base closures, integration, and realignment every few years from the BRAC commission. It doesn't mean anything other than it's place of priority on military facilities.

Gitmo has come up for closure before, only this time there are serious political issues that go along with it.

The NAVY loved Gitmo for REFTRA. Sailors always hated REFTRA unless it was the middle of winter in Norfolk. 10-14 days off Gitmo during the winter months was a almost worth all the fire fighting drills for a lot of sailors. Getting a couple days in the sun in February made it worthwhile.
 
TobyOne said:
Another failed Obama plan. The Military won't support it without congress and congress won't support it. Nice try President O'Bumbler.
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The military cares about Congress' approval and not the command of their commander in chief?
 
OpportunityCost said:
They wont need to, there are already laws in place to prevent it.
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Well...The Republicans are the ones who passed that law, so technically, they already are preventing him.
 
eohrnberger said:
So if incarcerating known terrorists is a stain on America, as some claim, what are you going to do with terrorists when you catch them?

Execute them on the battlefield?

Or I suppose the US should adopt a 'catch and release' such as they do with criminal illegal aliens?

How's either of them make any sense?

The US criminal justice system and criminal correction system isn't the place for them, where as a military prison and a military tribunal probably is.
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Hence, the drone strikes. Obama just kills them all now, because he doesn't want to be seen putting more in Gitmo.
 
Obama promised to close Gitmo within one year of taking the Oath of Office. I'm so glad he managed to keep that promise. This is 2010, yes?
 
Anthony60 said:
I don't think it needs to be closed. I don't want them moved inside the country. Keep them in Gitmo. It seems to me it is a very well run, secure facility. I spoke to a person that was a guard there for a while, this is about ten years ago when the libs were pushing what a horrible country we are and we are so mean to the terrorists in Gitmo. He laughed about, he said they we treated so well, better than most prisoners anywhere. But, hey, that's one guy I spoke to with first hand knowledge.

Maybe the torture chambers were kept in a secret area that he didn't know about? Oh, and all the accusations about how horrible Gitmo is and how bad we are don't come from the rest of the world, it comes from the good old Democrat party right here.
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Actually, the stories about Gitmo are mostly used by terrorists as a recruitment tool. As for the treatment there at Gitmo, I am pretty sure that we have a few pictures of Gitmo detainees being treated poorly.
 
Read the article in the OP.

MrT said:
The military cares about Congress' approval and not the command of their commander in chief?
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Anthony60 said:
I don't think it needs to be closed. I don't want them moved inside the country. Keep them in Gitmo.
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Why?

It seems to me it is a very well run, secure facility
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Torture, people being murdered, etc. I dont think that is "very well run".

. I spoke to a person that was a guard there for a while, this is about ten years ago when the libs were pushing what a horrible country we are and we are so mean to the terrorists in Gitmo.
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Terrorists? Even ex-Bush officials admit now that most Gitmo prisoners are innocent
"Wilkerson, who first made the assertions in an internet posting on Tuesday, told the AP he learned from briefings and by communicating with military commanders that the U.S. soon realized many detainees held at the U.S. military prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, were innocent" Most Guantanamo detainees are innocent: ex-Bush official - World - CBC News

92% of prisoners also have no ties to Al-Qaeda https://www.aclu.org/infographic/guantanamo-numbers

He laughed about, he said they we treated so well, better than most prisoners anywhere. But, hey, that's one guy I spoke to with first hand knowledge.
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Thats why more than 200 FBI agents have come forth to report abusive treatment of prisoners? https://www.aclu.org/infographic/guantanamo-numbers

Maybe the torture chambers were kept in a secret area that he didn't know about?
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Could be

Oh, and all the accusations about how horrible Gitmo is and how bad we are don't come from the rest of the world, it comes from the good old Democrat party right here.
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:doh :lamo Sure, many in the Democratic party criticize GITMO.. So do some in the GOP.. And here is the rest of the world:
"the United Nations Committee Against Torture expressed concern that the United States has not gone far enough in the “absolute prohibition of torture and ill-treatment” of detainees, held both domestically and abroad within detention centers at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and Bagram, Afghanistan. The committee chastised the use of “indefinite detention without charge or trial” as well as “prolonged mental harm” on detainees because it is more difficult to monitor and measure than physical abuse and “undermines” international agreements and standards about how nations are suppose to hold prisoners." UN condemns U.S. over torture, immigrant detainment and police malpractice | PBS NewsHour

"Navi Pillay, the UN high commissioner for human rights, issued a statement that strongly condemned the continued detention of men who had been cleared for release, calling it “the most flagrant breach of individual rights” and “a clear breach of international law.” The statement also requested that the U.S. allow human rights experts to meet with detainees." UN condemns Guantanamo: 'Clear breach of international law' | MSNBC

"Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights in Warsaw called for the immediate closure of the detainee prison at Guantanamo Bay and urged the trial or release of remaining detainees there. The human rights organization's report on Tuesday examined a broad range of human rights abuse allegations, and based its findings on interviews with U.S. government officials, military and civilian lawyers, non-governmental organizations and former detainees." http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-gitmo-detainee-rights-20151110-story.html
 
OrphanSlug said:
About time, been a black-eye on this nation for years now. Completely unrealistic intentions and horrible management all the way around.
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Oh, My, do you people actually believe that radical Islam will like us more and stop their goal of a global caliphate because we are going to close GITMO? How naïve, gullible and dangerous you people are. Hope they find a home for the radicals in your neighborhood.

Just another example of the incompetence of Obama and his supporters where the belief is you can appease radicals.
 
RetiredUSN said:
The military gets a list of base closures, integration, and realignment every few years from the BRAC commission. It doesn't mean anything other than it's place of priority on military facilities.

Gitmo has come up for closure before, only this time there are serious political issues that go along with it.

The NAVY loved Gitmo for REFTRA. Sailors always hated REFTRA unless it was the middle of winter in Norfolk. 10-14 days off Gitmo during the winter months was a almost worth all the fire fighting drills for a lot of sailors. Getting a couple days in the sun in February made it worthwhile.
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Then let's turn Gitmo into a Disneyland for soldiers. :mrgreen:
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Well saying its a component of propaganda....
How Guantanamo Bay's Existence Helps Al-Qaeda Recruit More Terrorists - The Atlantic
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LOL, so again you buy what you are told and are incapable of truly thinking? Radicals understand one thing and one thing only, force. You believe that GITMO was a recruiting tool? How many prisoners were at GITMO prior to 9/11? Did Radical Islam use GITMO as a recruiting tool to attract the 9/11 hijackers? What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of thought process?
 
Conservative said:
Oh, My, do you people actually believe that radical Islam will like us more and stop their goal of a global caliphate because we are going to close GITMO? How naïve, gullible and dangerous you people are. Hope they find a home for the radicals in your neighborhood.

Just another example of the incompetence of Obama and his supporters where the belief is you can appease radicals.
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LOL....you know that your HERO wanted to close Gitmo as well, right?
 
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