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Kim Jong-un has ordered terrorist attacks in South Korea and will target subways

DDD said:
If damage to NK's crumbling military may be doable, if attacks in Seoul from NK may be manageable, and a big if China allows taking the regime of Kim "Young & Ill" out, and since the majority in NK despise the oppressive regime, then psychological warfare should not be taken out of consideration. With enough allied persuasive and secure desertion campaigns, Kim "Young & Ill" might be left all alone pretty fast!
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How would "secure desertion campaigns" work?

The North Korean military is well taken care of, and has a record of defeating powerful invading countries.



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Please do not misinterpret my meaning here, but I know for a fact we, and several of our allies do this very thing against him, and others we do not like.

Pretty much every government of substance is engaging in a "terrorist" war against the country they do not like.

I worked with a Aussie once who was working with a " Choineez " tong killer to eliminate a few undesirables that were thinking about running for office in Hong Kong before they were integrated with mainland China.

more recently if the Samoli pirates take over a US flag vessel, the SEALs kill them all, and dispose of their bodies.

plus...since Obama has made it his Holy Quest to close GITMO, we are now on a KILL THEM ALL rather than capture them offensive. This is causing a whole lot of collateral damage, but it is better than just letting them go, like Obama wants to do....and has done.

We are ALL terrorists, and we are all USING terrorism to fight this horrible war that was thrust upon us and what we also brought upon ourselves.

No one is clean. It is a dirty stinking business.
 
Gladiator said:
How would "secure desertion campaigns" work?

The North Korean military is well taken care of, and has a record of defeating powerful invading countries.
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See PsyWars here:

psychological warfare | Britannica.com

Since the majority of NK is largely unfavorable towards the oppressive regime then psywar may especially be useful and should not be left unconsidered.
 
PakPuk said:
North Korean leader Kim Jong-un has ordered terror attacks on South Koreans that could occur in busy shopping malls, subways and other public places, Seoul claims.
Officials also fear the tyrant could target activists and defectors with poisoning attacks or lure them to China in order to be kidnapped.

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Details of the terror warnings emerged in a briefing South Korea's National Intelligence Service gave to members of the country's ruling Saenuri Party.

One senior official said North Korea's spy agency has begun implementing Jong-un's order to 'muster anti-South terror capabilities that can pose a direct threat to our lives and security'.
Presidential aide Kim Sung-woo added that the possibility of North Korean attacks 'is increasing more than ever' and asked for quick passage of an anti-terror bill in parliament.


Kim Jong-un has ordered terrorist attacks in South Korea, say Seoul intelligence | Daily Mail Online
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IMO, the people who are in the most danger are those three badge-laden dudes walking behind him.
 
RetiredNSmilin said:
Please do not misinterpret my meaning here, but I know for a fact we, and several of our allies do this very thing against him, and others we do not like.

Pretty much every government of substance is engaging in a "terrorist" war against the country they do not like.

I worked with a Aussie once who was working with a " Choineez " tong killer to eliminate a few undesirables that were thinking about running for office in Hong Kong before they were integrated with mainland China.

more recently if the Samoli pirates take over a US flag vessel, the SEALs kill them all, and dispose of their bodies.

plus...since Obama has made it his Holy Quest to close GITMO, we are now on a KILL THEM ALL rather than capture them offensive. This is causing a whole lot of collateral damage, but it is better than just letting them go, like Obama wants to do....and has done.

We are ALL terrorists, and we are all USING terrorism to fight this horrible war that was thrust upon us and what we also brought upon ourselves.

No one is clean. It is a dirty stinking business.
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I take issue with this nominal, brushing away comment of "we are all terrorists." First, most of us are not in the "stinky business," just civilians, and thereby not terrorists. But even if meant on a countrywide level, equating all countries as "terrorists" does great unjust to countries that may have committed atrocities the least.

For instance in WW2, Nazis do not equate with Hebrews on the level of terrorism conducted, do they? Why? Because the former has cast far more terror during their ethnic cleansing spree than the later.

In the recently televised Serbian-Dardanian war, Serbs committed hundreds of thousands of war crimes and cast terror with systematic ethnic cleansing campaigns on Albanians before and during the war in 1999 (numbers go up in hundreds of thousands killed and half a million or more displaced), while some vengeful Albanians got back to some suspicious Serbs after the war (numbers range by hundreds alone).

So rather than wish wash countries and their military campaigns with nominal brushes such as "all are terrorists" I suggest to include numbers of terror acts so as to precisely define which side is better than the other. The side that leans on terrorism the least is deemed a more positive side.
 
faithful_servant said:
Not as long as he can kill Seoul. That's what most people just don't understand - NK is pretty much untouchable because they can hit Seoul with artillery shells loaded with chem. weapons and inflict massive casualties to that city. It's what has made NK pretty much untouchable and given them massive leverage to do whatever they want. We can wipe out the artillery batteries, but not before they can each fire off at least one round and kill 100's of thousands people.
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Evacuate Seoul for a little bit to minimize civilian casualty. Do what needs to be done, repair the damage and move back in. I know logistically its difficult but we do it with hurricanes/typhoons all the time.
 
Gladiator said:
How would "secure desertion campaigns" work?

The North Korean military is well taken care of, and has a record of defeating powerful invading countries.



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No, the NK army has never defeated anyone, strong or weak - wherever did that strange idea come from?
 
Sweden said:
No, the NK army has never defeated anyone, strong or weak - wherever did that strange idea come from?
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The fact is that Japan was occupying North Korea until 1945 or so. Now Japan is not in North Korean territory. The North Korean Military fought Japan. Japan was defeated. Who should take credit?

Many countries may have been involved with the defeat of Japan, and all countries emphasize their country's role in the defeat of Japan.

US Textbooks left out he advances or Stalin taking Chinese territory from Japan quickly, and unexpectedly, as a major factor in Japan's defeat. Russians thought they defeated Japan. The US thinks they defeated Japan with bombs.

North Koreans believe they defeated the US in 1953.

Some basic true facts can be a solid foundation for beliefs about Victory.


How many History books have you read that are used in North Korean schools and colleges?

I can't find good references for this, but I have read that North Koreans are taught they have also defeated China. These threats of war and invasion keep the civilians in line.


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Gladiator said:
The fact is that Japan was occupying North Korea until 1945 or so. Now Japan is not in North Korean territory. The North Korean Military fought Japan. Japan was defeated. Who should take credit?

Many countries may have been involved with the defeat of Japan, and all countries emphasize their country's role in the defeat of Japan.

US Textbooks left out he advances or Stalin taking Chinese territory from Japan quickly, and unexpectedly, as a major factor in Japan's defeat. Russians thought they defeated Japan. The US thinks they defeated Japan with bombs.

North Koreans believe they defeated the US in 1953.

Some basic true facts can be a solid foundation for beliefs about Victory.


How many History books have you read that are used in North Korean schools and colleges?

I can't find good references for this, but I have read that North Koreans are taught they have also defeated China. These threats of war and invasion keep the civilians in line. The only Koreans who fought in WWII were the ones who had been conscripted into the Japanese army.


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No. There was no Korean military, either North or South, during the period - from 1906 from memory - when Korea was a Japanese colony.

Put not your trust in North Korean propaganda! (As it happens I know a fair bit about Korea having lived in Seoul for nearly four years in the 1970s).
 
DDD said:
I take issue with this nominal, brushing away comment of "we are all terrorists." First, most of us are not in the "stinky business," just civilians, and thereby not terrorists. But even if meant on a countrywide level, equating all countries as "terrorists" does great unjust to countries that may have committed atrocities the least.

For instance in WW2, Nazis do not equate with Hebrews on the level of terrorism conducted, do they? Why? Because the former has cast far more terror during their ethnic cleansing spree than the later.

In the recently televised Serbian-Dardanian war, Serbs committed hundreds of thousands of war crimes and cast terror with systematic ethnic cleansing campaigns on Albanians before and during the war in 1999 (numbers go up in hundreds of thousands killed and half a million or more displaced), while some vengeful Albanians got back to some suspicious Serbs after the war (numbers range by hundreds alone).

So rather than wish wash countries and their military campaigns with nominal brushes such as "all are terrorists" I suggest to include numbers of terror acts so as to precisely define which side is better than the other. The side that leans on terrorism the least is deemed a more positive side.
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I apologize if I may have offended you with my post. That was not my intent.

Sometimes you have to say what needs to be said and let the chips fall where they may.

There are specific examples of all sides I can quote from newspapers and the internet, but I prefer to keep my comments on what I have seen with my own two eyes.

and thus will NOT comment on it here. I will only say generically, TERRORISM is a fact of warfare, no matter whose flag you fight under.

There are also shadow figures who are under no one's flag and kill who they are paid to kill, and burn & destroy what they are paid to burn and destroy so no one country can say it was them.

There are factories east and west that manufacture NON-headstamped ammo in whatever caliber is needed at the time. No headstamp means no immediate tracking their casings back to a particular country. There are other ways, but they take a little longer.

and it IS a stinking business.

On a personal note I have a commission pennant from a gunboat my unit blew the bottom out of as they were at the slip. They were helping the Serbs with their ethnic cleansing. We got the crew off and turned it into matchsticks. I hang it with pride in my closet. This was AFTER I left the US military. It is funny how in one part I was helping Muslims and then doing otherwise in other places.

The world is a horrible stinking place when WAR visits an area. I hope to never see it again as long as I live.
 
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Gladiator said:
The fact is that Japan was occupying North Korea until 1945 or so. Now Japan is not in North Korean territory. The North Korean Military fought Japan. Japan was defeated. Who should take credit?

Many countries may have been involved with the defeat of Japan, and all countries emphasize their country's role in the defeat of Japan.

US Textbooks left out he advances or Stalin taking Chinese territory from Japan quickly, and unexpectedly, as a major factor in Japan's defeat. Russians thought they defeated Japan. The US thinks they defeated Japan with bombs.

North Koreans believe they defeated the US in 1953.

Some basic true facts can be a solid foundation for beliefs about Victory.


How many History books have you read that are used in North Korean schools and colleges?

I can't find good references for this, but I have read that North Koreans are taught they have also defeated China. These threats of war and invasion keep the civilians in line.


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I do not know if a single reputable historian who would attribute the Japanese expulsion from Korea to indigenous Korean resistance movements. This is just a lazy appeal to relativism, not all viewpoints are equally valid. The reality of the matter is that it was the combined Allied war effort, of which insurgents in the area now known as North Korea, played a minuscule part.
 
RetiredNSmilin said:
I apologize if I may have offended you with my post. That was not my intent.

Sometimes you have to say what needs to be said and let the chips fall where they may.

There are specific examples of all sides I can quote from newspapers and the internet, but I prefer to keep my comments on what I have seen with my own two eyes.

and thus will NOT comment on it here. I will only say generically, TERRORISM is a fact of warfare, no matter whose flag you fight under.

There are also shadow figures who are under no one's flag and kill who they are paid to kill, and burn & destroy what they are paid to burn and destroy so no one country can say it was them.

There are factories east and west that manufacture NON-headstamped ammo in whatever caliber is needed at the time. No headstamp means no immediate tracking their casings back to a particular country. There are other ways, but they take a little longer.

and it IS a stinking business.

The world is a horrible stinking place when WAR visits an area. I hope to never see it again as long as I live.
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I am just saying that number of war crimes committed on either side should be used to clarify which side uses terror to achieve their political gains the least. Thereby that side is better than the other.

RetiredNSmilin said:
On a personal note I have a commission pennant from a gunboat my unit blew the bottom out of as they were at the slip. They were helping the Serbs with their ethnic cleansing. We got the crew off and turned it into matchsticks. I hang it with pride in my closet. This was AFTER I left the US military. It is funny how in one part I was helping Muslims and then doing otherwise in other places.
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Interesting :)

Could you confirm whether I am interpreting this correctly please?

Your military crew first removed a group from a gunboat. The group in that gunboat was helping Serbs with their ethnic cleansing. After removing this group from the gunboat your crew blew and turned the groups' gunboat into matchsticks?

The only remaining thing from the ordeal is a panning (i.e., their flag?) that you commissioned after you left the military and now it is hanging on your wall with pride?

If you and your crew caused harm to a group that was helping with Serbian ethnic cleansing then the panning truly is something to be proud of. An analogy would be war trophies from WW2 Nazi Deutchland. You and your crew have probably saved innocent lives and could be a hero :)

But, where was this? I ask because the other Muslim country in former Yugoslavia is Bosnia. Dardania and Bosnia are sometimes considered the same in USA and further parts from here in Europe. The difference is that we have retained our culture and language and have not mixed with Slavs throughout centuries at the price of religion, while they gave in and lost both the language, culture, and religion. Hence, to compensate their cultural identity change they are more religious today (to emphasize that they are not Slavs), while we maintain a shallow religious position (I am not religious for instance).

Also, who were the group that helped Serbs with their strategically planned ethnic cleansing? Do you have pictures of their panning/flag that is hanging on your wall? :)
 
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DDD said:
I am just saying that number of war crimes committed on either side should be used to clarify which side uses terror to achieve their political gains the least. Thereby that side is better than the other.



Interesting :)

Could you confirm whether I am interpreting this correctly please?

Your military crew first removed a group from a gunboat. The group in that gunboat was helping Serbs with their ethnic cleansing. After removing this group from the gunboat your crew blew and turned the groups' gunboat into matchsticks?

The only remaining thing from the ordeal is a panning (i.e., their flag?) that you commissioned after you left the military and now it is hanging on your wall with pride?

If you and your crew caused harm to a group that was helping with Serbian ethnic cleansing then the panning truly is something to be proud of. An analogy would be war trophies from WW2 Nazi Deutchland. You and your crew have probably saved innocent lives and could be a hero :)

But, where was this? I ask because the other Muslim country in former Yugoslavia is Bosnia. Dardania and Bosnia are sometimes considered the same in USA and further parts from here in Europe. The difference is that we have retained our culture and language and have not mixed with Slavs throughout centuries at the price of religion, while they gave in and lost both the language, culture, and religion. Hence, to compensate their cultural identity change they are more religious today (to emphasize that they are not Slavs), while we maintain a shallow religious position (I am not religious for instance).

Also, who were the group that helped Serbs with their strategically planned ethnic cleansing?
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I will clarify paragraph 2. A commission pennant is hoisted when the vessel is first commissioned in its native country and flies above the main ensign. Every warship in the world has one. I wanted it, and got it, the Sgt Major got the bell, and the demolition guy got the bridge magnetic standby compass. I did not "commission" anything. It was done when the gunboat was first built and got their first crew. I just hauled it down as a war trophy.

We also dismounted the weapons and ammo and gave them to "others" for better used. Why wasted a good Dashka(sp).

The parent country considered us "pirates" and put a price on our heads. In a way...and according to them...we were. I know right now there are quite a few Muslim children who still have their parents and had a chance to grow up because of my act of "piracy".

I think this is enough for you to add two and two together.

...and YES, I was very proud to have actually saved lives this time. It was pretty black & white.

I have pictures but do not know how to post them on this website. It seems to be a black art. Everything I tried fails.

NOPE...tried 5x...no way to upload pics like I can everywhere else in the internet. Black magic for sure.
 
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RetiredNSmilin said:
I will clarify paragraph 2. A commission pennant is hoisted when the vessel is first commissioned in its native country and flies above the main ensign. Every warship in the world has one. I wanted it, and got it, the Sgt Major got the bell, and the demolition guy got the bridge magnetic standby compass. I did not "commission" anything. It was done when the gunboat was first built and got their first crew. I just hauled it down as a war trophy.

We also dismounted the weapons and ammo and gave them to "others" for better used. Why wasted a good Dashka(sp).

The parent country considered us "pirates" and put a price on our heads. In a way...and according to them...we were. I know right now there are quite a few Muslim children who still have their parents and had a chance to grow up because of my act of "piracy".

I think this is enough for you to add two and two together.

...and YES, I was very proud to have actually saved lives this time. It was pretty black & white.

I have pictures but do not know how to post them on this website. It seems to be a black art. Everything I tried fails.
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Here, let me advise you a bit.

So what you do is you make a "Reply" or "Reply with quote" and then you click the third icon from the right at the top. The one that has the symbol of a tree if you can see it. It stands between a faint world symbol that has a red X in it on the right and a film ribbon to its left.

When you click that click you will see an "Insert Message" word on top. Right below it there are two options of "From Computer" and "From URL." Click the first one "From Computer" and on the low right corner click the "Basic Uploader." Then on the middle click the "Browse" option. Then search the folder where you have put this image and click "Upload Files."

That will get you back to DP where you can then post the image. It will attach an image like below. By using that method I just uploaded this Art anatomy image of a hand for instance:

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DDD said:
Here, let me advise you a bit.

So what you do is you make a "Reply" or "Reply with quote" and then you click the third icon from the right at the top. The one that has the symbol of a tree if you can see it. It stands between a faint world symbol that has a red X in it on the right and a film ribbon to its left.

When you click that click you will see an "Insert Message" word on top. Right below it there are two options of "From Computer" and "From URL." Click the first one "From Computer" and on the low right corner click the "Basic Uploader." Then on the middle click the "Browse" option. Then search the folder where you have put this image and click "Upload Files."

That will get you back to DP where you can then post the image. It will attach an image like below. By using that method I just uploaded this Art anatomy image of a hand for instance:

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I am still not getting it. I copied your instructions and will try later when I am not so tired.

Thank you.

and this post made me quote you, which I did not intend to do. It is really confusing.
 
RetiredNSmilin said:
I am still not getting it. I copied your instructions and will try later when I am not so tired.

Thank you.

and this post made me quote you, which I did not intend to do. It is really confusing.
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It is highly advised to quote people in DP because it notifies us that a reply was made at us, increasing the odds of a response. Only when clicking "Reply with quote" does a number appears in the "Notifications" area, on the top area of the DP site internet page.

Someone should do a Youtube video that will depict each step of the way. But do not worry cause it was confusing to me too in the beginning :)
 
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DDD said:
It is highly advised to quote people in DP because it notifies us that a reply was made at us, increasing the odds of a response. Only when clicking "Reply with quote" does a number appears in the "Notifications" area, on the top area of the DP site internet page.

Someone should do a Youtube video that will depict each step of the way. But do not worry cause it was confusing to me too in the beginning :)
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I tried to add a few post from others to my signature line, but did not figure out that one either. Instead I was limited to the 3 line limit.

I guess over the next several years I will figure it out. It is not that much of a priority for me right now.

Getting my four songs copyrighted is top of the list for now.

Thank you for trying to help though, DDD.
 
NK is China's version of a retarded Mexico.
 
RetiredNSmilin said:
I tried to add a few post from others to my signature line, but did not figure out that one either. Instead I was limited to the 3 line limit.

I guess over the next several years I will figure it out. It is not that much of a priority for me right now.

Getting my four songs copyrighted is top of the list for now.

Thank you for trying to help though, DDD.
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What are brothers in arms for? ;)
 
RetiredNSmilin said:
I tried to add a few post from others to my signature line, but did not figure out that one either. Instead I was limited to the 3 line limit.
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Any luck posting the image yet? Been holding this thread open since?
 
DDD said:
Maybe that is why the terrorist threat of NK? They want more money while they leave their citizens to starve!
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Please restate your question. I do not follow.

As far as letting their citizens starve, nothing new here. Been that way for many years.
The catalyst here appears to be NK trying to flex their military muscle and threatening other countries (EG: SK, USA, Japan)
Yes, they have been doing these things for years as well. However, their current military exercises do magnify their threats.
 
Bad enough that he starves his own people in NK while he waddles around looking like a fat little dumpling.
I hope South Korea drops a bomb on him.
 
Monte said:
Please restate your question. I do not follow.

As far as letting their citizens starve, nothing new here. Been that way for many years.
The catalyst here appears to be NK trying to flex their military muscle and threatening other countries (EG: SK, USA, Japan)
Yes, they have been doing these things for years as well. However, their current military exercises do magnify their threats.
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Just saying that perhaps they are doing this to bully other countries into giving NK money.
 
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