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Sources: Obama to visit Cuba next month

JoeTrumps said:
top of my head: because you can't see China on a clear day from Florida. also, there are not a billion Cubans who's military could match up with America in a land war.
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Or it's a simple case that all U.S. foreign policy cares about at the end of the day is business. It's why the righteous indignation over the abuses in Cuba are not very persuasive. If Castro was a brutal dictator who served the interests of the Fortune 500, we'd have long ago quit caring what he did to his citizens.

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JasperL said:
Or it's a simple case that all U.S. foreign policy cares about at the end of the day is business. It's why the righteous indignation over the abuses in Cuba are not very persuasive. If Castro was a brutal dictator who served the interests of the Fortune 500, we'd have long ago quit caring what he did to his citizens.

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Yep. The same people who are in an uproar about Obama visiting Cuba don't give a rats ass that we do $ trillions in business with the Communists in China who have killed 10's of millions of her own people.

Their outrage directed at Obama is hypocritical and mostly because it's Obama...
 
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SenorXm/Sirius said:
Yep. The same people who are in an uproar about Obama visiting Cuba don't give a rats ass that we do $ trillions in business with the Communists in China who have killed 10's of millions of her own people.

Their outrage directed at Obama is phony and hypocritical...
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1. What kind of "good deeds" has Cuba done to deserve a visit from a U.S. President? Since we made an agreement with Iran, shouldn't Obama visit them as well?

2. What exactly is the purpose of this visit? I am being serious, I think this is really about Obama just wanting a vacation. This visit has no actual substance.

3. Fidel Castro is 89-years old. Do the visit after he dies. This is about Obama trying to enhance his "legacy" before he leaves office. The same can be said about his Supreme Court nomination. These political stunts are in attempt to get in the graces of scholars and history buffs to portray himself as a transformative figure.
 
Bucky said:
1. What kind of "good deeds" has Cuba done to deserve a visit from a U.S. President? Since we made an agreement with Iran, shouldn't Obama visit them as well?

2. What exactly is the purpose of this visit? I am being serious, I think this is really about Obama just wanting a vacation. This visit has no actual substance.

3. Fidel Castro is 89-years old. Do the visit after he dies. This is about Obama trying to enhance his "legacy" before he leaves office. The same can be said about his Supreme Court nomination. These political stunts are in attempt to get in the graces of scholars and history buffs to portray himself as a transformative figure.
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Castro's outlasted what? 8-9 US presidents! Lasted 50+ years. He outlasted the USSR for God sakes. Our past policy of embargoes and trying to isolate Cuba has NOT worked. Time to try something else.

And your comments about Obama wanting a vacation in Cuba are immature and only proves my point that people like you only have a problem with this because it's Obama. You're grasping at anything. You look past China's MUCH, MUCH worse abuses, but zero in on Cuba? Your outrage is transparent and hypocritical.

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Bucky said:
1. What kind of "good deeds" has Cuba done to deserve a visit from a U.S. President? Since we made an agreement with Iran, shouldn't Obama visit them as well?

2. What exactly is the purpose of this visit? I am being serious, I think this is really about Obama just wanting a vacation. This visit has no actual substance.

3. Fidel Castro is 89-years old. Do the visit after he dies. This is about Obama trying to enhance his "legacy" before he leaves office. The same can be said about his Supreme Court nomination. These political stunts are in attempt to get in the graces of scholars and history buffs to portray himself as a transformative figure.
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I believe the visit will

1) allow a chance for Obama to speak directly to the Cuban people on national media.
2) lock down some details on the normalization of travel by air
3) discuss private investment in Cuba (I believe one large US company already has specific plan in this regard.

So it's a very substantive move on Obama's part
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Castro's outlasted what? 8-9 US presidents! Lasted 50+ years. He outlasted the USSR for God sakes. Our past policy of embargoes and trying to isolate Cuba has NOT worked. Time to try something else.

And your comments about Obama wanting a vacation in Cuba are immature and only proves my point that people like you only have a problem with this because it's Obama. You're grasping at anything. You look past China's MUCH, MUCH worse abuses, but zero in on Cuba? Your outrage is transparent and hypocritical.

Good Day
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We all know China is a much different situation. We do not owe $1.32 Trillion to Cuba. China, if they wanted to could potentially collapse the U.S economy.

Not blaming that on anyone specifically - Republicans or Democrats. That is just the unfortunate truth.
 
Bucky said:
We all know China is a much different situation. We do not owe $1.32 Trillion to Cuba. China, if they wanted to could potentially collapse the U.S economy.

Not blaming that on anyone specifically - Republicans or Democrats. That is just the unfortunate truth.
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Not without collapsing their own and even then the damage would be much much grater to the. They are rational actors it will never happen.
 
Bucky said:
We all know China is a much different situation. We do not owe $1.32 Trillion to Cuba. China, if they wanted to could potentially collapse the U.S economy.

Not blaming that on anyone specifically - Republicans or Democrats. That is just the unfortunate truth.
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We CHOSE to go into debt with China. So you're pointing out that we're so unconcerned about brutal regimes that we allowed $trillions in wealth to be transferred to China to increase the profits of our multinational corps and the resulting trade deficits have given this brutal regime the key to our own downfall as some kind of comment about why Obama shouldn't visit Cuba? :roll:

I'm missing the point because to me it just highlights the absurdity of our fake concerns about human rights abuses under the Castro regime. We don't care AT ALL about them if our Fortune 500 makes enough money.
 
Soho gator said:
I believe the visit will

1) allow a chance for Obama to speak directly to the Cuban people on national media.
2) lock down some details on the normalization of travel by air
3) discuss private investment in Cuba (I believe one large US company already has specific plan in this regard.

So it's a very substantive move on Obama's part
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hopefully he discusses the hundreds of billions of dollars Castro stole from the US as well.
 
Fearandloathing said:
As far as I'm concerned it's the best vacation destination for the money. Mexico is getting over-run and crime ridden, Hawaii is expensive and a hassle because you have to deal with US Homeland Security. Dominican Republic is getting expensive. Cuba is great. And yes, watch, someone like Trump will build a Casino and wreck it.
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My favorite vacation spot is easy: Abu Dhabi.

If you want to stay near the South American continent I would recommend Saint Barts.

I would agree with Hawaii. Expensive and you have to deal with a lot of racism from the locals.
 
Thrilla said:
hopefully he discusses the hundreds of billions of dollars Castro stole from the US as well.
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Will probably agree to waive it after our criminal support for Batista and our humiliating attempt to invade them.
 
Soho gator said:
Will probably agree to waive it after our criminal support for Batista and our humiliating attempt to invade them.
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well, as the invasion was a bust, that's a non starter.... and as support for Batista wasn't illegal, that's also a non starter.

keep trying, maybe you'll come up with some other way to defend the theft of hundreds of billions of dollars.
 
Thrilla said:
well, as the invasion was a bust, that's a non starter.... and as support for Batista wasn't illegal, that's also a non starter.

keep trying, maybe you'll come up with some other way to defend the theft of hundreds of billions of dollars.
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If you invade a country and get defeated you usually have to pay reparations. In any event I'm sure Cuba will let us off with an apology.
 
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Soho gator said:
If you invade a country and get defeated you usually have to pay reparations.
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try again, this time use factual information.

In any event I'm sure Cuba will let us off with an apology.
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and now we know that you're loyal to a totalitarian communist regime.... not surprising, really, but at least we're not in the dark anymore.
 
I hold passports from 3 countries and will likely move to one of them (not Cuba or the US) when I retire. That or Phucket. I'm a citizen of the world definitely not just loyal to the US.
 
Thrilla said:
uh huh.. .sure.
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Yup both my parents are naturalized citizens. One is Irish and the other is from a very small country that I won't share. Given their dates of birth I was eligible for dual citizenship in both. Took advantage of it 10 years ago.
 
Soho gator said:
Yup both my parents are naturalized citizens. One is Irish and the other is from a very small country that I won't share. Given their dates of birth I was eligible for dual citizenship in both. Took advantage of it 10 years ago.
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Leichtenstein!


Soho gator said:
That's not applicable. Israel is an artifice created by an unholy Union of terrorists and neocons.
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hmm, ok
 
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