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Sources: Obama to visit Cuba next month

Jetboogieman said:
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the look on clinton's face, lol
 
Jetboogieman said:
Canadians have been visiting top class resorts for decades in Cuba.

But you yank bastards are gonna make it more expensive :2razz:
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We're in the golden age of tourism, there's hordes of tourists everywhere. The only way you can get away from it all nowadays is if you go to a war zone.
 
Hatuey said:
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ouch, if only I didn't read a history book.

give and take. We deal with dictators because it is in OUR INTEREST.

what did Obama GET from Cuba's dictators? did they release a single political prisoner? allow capitalist markets to open up?

nah, that's not Obama's style. He's better at apologizing for AMERICAN actions, not the actions of our enemies. That's what we have been reduced to in a few short years.

We don't judge other countries, only the Republican's in our own country. That's Obama's motto.
 
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JoeTrumps said:
ouch, if only I didn't read a history book.

give and take. We deal with dictators because it is in OUR INTEREST.

what did Obama GET from Cuba's dictators? did they release a single political prisoner? allow capitalist markets to open up?

nah, that's not Obama's style. He's better at apologizing for AMERICAN actions, not the actions of our enemies. That's what we have been reduced too in a few short years.
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JoeTrumps said:
ouch, if only I didn't read a history book.
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I don't think you have. Ever. But that's another story.

give and take. We deal with dictators because it is in OUR INTEREST.

what did Obama GET from Cuba's dictators? did they release a single political prisoner? allow capitalist markets to open up?

nah, that's not Obama's style. He's better at apologizing for AMERICAN actions, not the actions of our enemies. That's what we have been reduced too in a few short years.
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We stand to gain 13 million new customers who have never experienced capitalism. They're ripe for picking. It's certainly better than paling around with powerful countries like Guatemala and Togo. What did we gain from them again? :lol:
 
Hatuey said:
I don't think you have. Ever. But that's another story.

We stand to gain 13 million new customers who have never experienced capitalism. They're ripe for picking. It's certainly better than paling around with powerful countries like Guatemala and Togo. What did we gain from them again? :lol:
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Wha? Cuba hasn't become capitalist. They're socialists. Cubans national income per capita is about $500 a month. What, exactly, are they going to be buying from us?
 
cpwill said:
Wha? Cuba hasn't become capitalist. They're socialists. Cubans national income per capita is about $500 a month. What, exactly, are they going to be buying from us?
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Of course they haven't, but they can certainly experience it just like people in supposedly communist countries do. For examples of this see: China, Vietnam, Laos etc. Unless of course you believe that a country next to the world's biggest capitalist economy couldn't possibly come into contact with capitalism. Hell, I've walked down the streets of Havana and I can tell you first hand that the average Cuban is about as capitalist as they come. Ensuring we have a relationship with their country can only strengthen what already exists on the ground.
 
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cpwill said:
Wha? Cuba hasn't become capitalist. They're socialists. Cubans national income per capita is about $500 a month. What, exactly, are they going to be buying from us?
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Low income per capita indicates "socialism"?
 
Hatuey said:
Of course they haven't, but they can certainly experience it just like people in supposedly communist countries do. For examples of this see: China, Vietnam, Laos etc. Unless of course you believe that a country next to the world's biggest capitalist economy couldn't possibly come into contact with capitalism. Hell, I've walked down the streets of Havana and I can tell you first hand that the average Cuban is about as capitalist as they come. Ensuring we have a relationship with their country can only strengthen what already exists on the ground.
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The worlds' largest capitalist economy is the United States. The countries next to us are Canada (who is more economically free than we are) and Mexico (who isn't). Cuba is separated by an ocean. Their experience of capitalism is from the outside looking in at best, and I say at best, because - as a socialist dictatorship - the Castro brothers have found it quite efficacious to try to limit or constrain the information diet of the Cuban people.

I have no doubt they wish they were free. Most folks do. Hopefully one day they will get that chance. The theory that "well if we prop them up with trade, maybe they will become more Liberal in the way they treat their people" was supposed to work wonders with China, too. Thus far, no dice. I see no particular reason why me buying a T-Shirt from a vendor in Havana is going to convince Raul Castro to stop throwing people in prison for speaking out against the abuses of the regime, or that he should choose to abandon socialism and set his people economically free.
 
cpwill said:
No. Being a Socialist country indicates "socialism".


No True Scottsman Fallacy in 5.... 4.... 3....
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"They're socialists. Cubans national income per capita is about $500 a month."
So low income equates to socialism?
 
cpwill said:
The worlds' largest capitalist economy is the United States. The countries next to us are Canada (who is more economically free than we are) and Mexico (who isn't). Cuba is separated by an ocean. Their experience of capitalism is from the outside looking in at best, and I say at best, because - as a socialist dictatorship - the Castro brothers have found it quite efficacious to try to limit or constrain the information diet of the Cuban people.

I have no doubt they wish they were free. Most folks do. Hopefully one day they will get that chance.
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My wife is Cuban. I've been entering and leaving the country for well over a decade. That said, from my own personal experience, most Cubans are extremely curious about the wonders of things like having food delivered to your house after a phone call, credit cards and basic household items we take for granted (think along the lines of personal computers and microwaves). That said, this step is one which I think can benefit the US from an economic perspective. We have access to 13-14 million customers for some of our cheap and inexpensive goods.

We also have access to one of the most educated countries in Latin America. One which has figured out a way to create cheaper locally produced vaccines and medicines. The premise that we stand nothing to gain from Cuba as JoeTrump so eloquently put it is absolutely stupid and indicative of the general ignorance that cold war lovers have in regards to a country that is closer to us in terms of culture than any of our beloved dictatorships in the 3rd world.
 
What's next? A beer Summit? Oh wait, already happened.

I guess a night at the Opera in Pyongyang with Kim Jong Un is inevitable.

My one question. Is Obama going to Cuba with Alan Gross?
 
So President Obama is going to communist Cuba, but he's not going to go across town to Justice Scalia's funeral. So noted.
 
JoeTrumps said:
ouch, if only I didn't read a history book.

give and take. We deal with dictators because it is in OUR INTEREST.

what did Obama GET from Cuba's dictators? did they release a single political prisoner? allow capitalist markets to open up?

nah, that's not Obama's style. He's better at apologizing for AMERICAN actions, not the actions of our enemies. That's what we have been reduced to in a few short years.

We don't judge other countries, only the Republican's in our own country. That's Obama's motto.
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Not quite accurate....

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/17/americas/alan-gross-cuba-freedom-twitter/

Cuba has freed all 53 prisoners as agreed in U.S. deal: U.S. officials | Reuters

….and of course you remember the 2900 political and other prisoners released before the Pope’s visit
 
JoeTrumps said:
So President Obama is going to communist Cuba, but he's not going to go across town to Justice Scalia's funeral. So noted.
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White House: Obama Will Not Attend Justice Scalia'''s Funeral - NBC News

Instead, the president will pay his respects on Friday, when Scalia's body lies in repose in the Great Hall of the Supreme Court building. Vice President Joe Biden will attend Scalia's funeral at the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception, the White House said Wednesday during a press briefing.
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When pressed for clarification on Obama missing the funeral, White House press secretary Josh Earnest repeated that "the president will pay his respects at the Supreme Court on Friday and he'll be joined with the first lady when he does that."
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Four out of the past seven funerals for a Supreme Court justice have either had the president or vice president in attendance.
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Your partisanship really knows no bounds does it?
 
JoeTrumps said:
So President Obama is going to communist Cuba, but he's not going to go across town to Justice Scalia's funeral. So noted.
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Lol, I've seen people desperate to change the topic, but wow.
 
Oh, I didn't realize Joe Biden was going. That is much classier than obama actually attending himself. But I'm sure he'll salute him as he's teeing of on the golf course. so that's just as good.
 
JoeTrumps said:
So President Obama is going to communist Cuba, but he's not going to go across town to Justice Scalia's funeral. So noted.
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Your faux outrage is funny.
 
JoeTrumps said:
So President Obama is going to communist Cuba, but he's not going to go across town to Justice Scalia's funeral. So noted.
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im not sure he would be welcome there would he?

if im scalia's family i wouldnt want him there
 
azgreg said:
Your faux outrage is funny.
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It is all over the place though. He started out complaining that Obama was palling around with tyrants. When it was shown to him that Reagan did that thing he's complaining about, he complained that the difference was that it was justified for Reagan to do it because of economic interests. Then, he made it about Scalia's funeral even though Obama isn't even going to Cuba for a month, and he's paying his respects to Scalia in a different location. Let's see what he comes up with next.
 
Bucky said:
The time to normalize relations is when the Castro brothers are dead. If Obama shakes the hands of these brother tyrants, it will indeed be a sad day in American history.
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Yes we should punish the innocent people in Cuba some more. :lamo

I feel bad for the millions of Cubans whose family members were killed by the Castro regime.
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And punishing innocent people is the way to make it better?

It will truly be a sickening moment in history watching an American President shaking the hands with a cold-blooded killer that nearly led us to the brink of World War 3.
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Try not to puke on yourself.
 
JoeTrumps said:
Oh, I didn't realize Joe Biden was going. That is much classier than obama actually attending himself. But I'm sure he'll salute him as he's teeing of on the golf course. so that's just as good.
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That's a fine idea.
 
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