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Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia reported dead[****W:566, 1894****}

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digsbe said:
My condolences to his family and loved ones, I really hope his death isn't abused by Obama and the liberals to stack the court and harm America.

I sincerely hope that any Obama appointee would be blocked until after the election.
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 America absolutely cannot afford to have the ultimate law of the land go lawless with a left-wing agenda not based on justice or word of law.
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That would work out great for the Democratic Party.
 
Donc said:
Looks like our overlords are going to work the rest of the year without a recess eh?:lamo
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They'll probably just pull the same pro forma crap every three days like they did in 2012. Basically they send one person in every three days to slam a gavel and walk out.
 
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NonoBadDog said:
Pragmatist.
No way in hell Congress would confirm a justice at this point.
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I disagree. The GOP won't want to give the Democrats ammunition to use against them so a justice will be confirmed.

Wait and see.
 
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shrubnose said:
I disagree. The GOP won't want to give the Democrats ammunition to use against them so a justice will be confirmed.

Wait and see.
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Yep, wait and see.
 
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shrubnose said:
I disagree. The GOP won't want to give the Democrats ammunition to use against them so a justice will be confirmed.

Wait and see.
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I agree, it might not happen fast but no way they deny it until the next president that would be suicide and just help the next press be a democrat.
 
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Phys251 said:
Scalia's reputation deserves to be trashed, but his death does not deserve to be celebrated.
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I didn't agree with Scalia's politics but he was a brilliant man and I'm not happy to see him dead.
 
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NonoBadDog said:
Pragmatist. No way in hell Congress would confirm a justice at this point.
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If the justice is one that flew through confirmation en route to the federal bench, the GOP will have a tough time explaining away such blatant obstruction.

It's not like the election is a few weeks away. Obama is going to be president for nearly another year, like it or not. There's no way the GOP can stall seating a justice until Inauguration Day 2017 without significant political backlash.
 
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Kobie said:
If the justice is one that flew through confirmation en route to the federal bench, the GOP will have a tough time explaining away such blatant obstruction.

It's not like the election is a few weeks away. Obama is going to be president for nearly another year, like it or not. There's no way the GOP can stall seating a justice until Inauguration Day 2017 without significant political backlash.
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Of course, if it does backfire, the democrats could take ownership of all three branches of government.
 
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LaylaWindu said:
I agree, it would be bad for any political party to do so and wrong.
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It has always happened, and will likely happen this year. There are many methods by which this nomination can be stalled. It can be held in committee, Republicans can call up the nomination in executive session and filibuster it requiring cloture (thereby never even getting to the main question), and, of course, they can filibuster the nomination itself, also requiring cloture.

Additionally, an interesting stat I just read is that 70% of nominations in an election year have failed, either by refusal of the Senate, withdrawal by President of his nomination, or withdrawal of the nominee from consideration.

I don't see anything necessarily wrong with it. The Supreme Court has a quorum with six Justices present. The Court can decide the less charged cases and re-docket the higher profile cases later in the next Term.

Honestly, I think if Republicans fail to engage in these dilatory tactics, they will suffer far more damage than if they don't.
 
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Absentglare said:
Of course, if it does backfire, the democrats could take ownership of all three branches of government.
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Even if the public turns hard against the GOP, they have enough safety where the House isn't close to being in reach.
 
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Kobie said:
Even if the public turns hard against the GOP, they have enough safety where the House isn't close to being in reach.
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Don't bet your last dollar on that, voters can do strange things.
 
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shrubnose said:
They'll be melted down and formed into plowshares.
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You can only make plowshares out of swords. You might whack the gun-formed plowshare into something and set off the primer.
 
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shrubnose said:
Don't bet your last dollar on that, voters can do strange things.
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It would take nearly unprecedented math for the Dems to take the House back in 2016. Not happening. The Senate is within reach, but the only thing that's gonna drive Dem voters to the polls is if the GOP tries to rat**** them on the SCOTUS appointment. Hillary alone ain't gonna bring the voters out in droves.

Depending on what happens in the next several months (I think McConnell is just taking a hard line as leverage, Obama will put up Srinivasan as his nominee and he'll fly through the process), the Dems can really massage the message if the Republicans go scorched earth and won't let him nominate Scalia's successor. Paul Watford would be a more contentious nominee.

If Obama tries to make history and nominates Loretta Lynch (who would be the first black woman on the court), all bets are off. The GOP would fight that to the death.
 
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Kobie said:
If the justice is one that flew through confirmation en route to the federal bench, the GOP will have a tough time explaining away such blatant obstruction.

It's not like the election is a few weeks away. Obama is going to be president for nearly another year, like it or not. There's no way the GOP can stall seating a justice until Inauguration Day 2017 without significant political backlash.
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He was elected to a four-year term, not three.
 
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Manc Skipper said:
He was elected to a four-year term, not three.
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Precisely. If the GOP tries to basically nullify his final year in office, it's going to cost them. And I don't want to hear this "Reid would have done X" or "if Bush had tried Y, the Dems would have done Z." Argument By Hypothetical is for the intellectually lazy. If it didn't happen, one cannot portray their speculation as fact.

(You're not doing this, Manc, but it's been done repeatedly in this thread)
 
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Kobie said:
It would take nearly unprecedented math for the Dems to take the House back in 2016. Not happening. The Senate is within reach, but the only thing that's gonna drive Dem voters to the polls is if the GOP tries to rat**** them on the SCOTUS appointment. Hillary alone ain't gonna bring the voters out in droves.

Depending on what happens in the next several months (I think McConnell is just taking a hard line as leverage, Obama will put up Srinivasan as his nominee and he'll fly through the process), the Dems can really massage the message if the Republicans go scorched earth and won't let him nominate Scalia's successor. Paul Watford would be a more contentious nominee.

If Obama tries to make history and nominates Loretta Lynch (who would be the first black woman on the court), all bets are off.
The GOP would fight that to the death.
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I hope that happens. If it does the GOP will be mighty sorry that they picked that fight because it's one that they'll lose.

Wait and see.
 
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LaylaWindu said:
First off RIP. he had family and friends regardless of whether people agreed with him and offered many years of service to the country. Second the seat needs replaced period, that's just how it works and the current president should do it, anything longer than a month or two is poor form IMO. Politics is not a factor in filling process of filling the seat.
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It has been since the Democrats Borked Bork.

President Pen-and-Phone has zero room to complain if the other branch (finally) decides to use its Constitutional powers in an assertive way.
 
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Kobie said:
It would take nearly unprecedented math for the Dems to take the House back in 2016. Not happening. The Senate is within reach, but the only thing that's gonna drive Dem voters to the polls is if the GOP tries to rat**** them on the SCOTUS appointment. Hillary alone ain't gonna bring the voters out in droves.

Depending on what happens in the next several months (I think McConnell is just taking a hard line as leverage, Obama will put up Srinivasan as his nominee and he'll fly through the process), the Dems can really massage the message if the Republicans go scorched earth and won't let him nominate Scalia's successor. Paul Watford would be a more contentious nominee.

If Obama tries to make history and nominates Loretta Lynch (who would be the first black woman on the court), all bets are off. The GOP would fight that to the death.
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That is the woman who has kicked Rule of Law to the curb in order to protect Hillary. Yeah. I think "fight to the death" might be an understatement.

Obama has abused his power enough. President Pen-and-Phone has no leg to stand on when complaining that the Senate is assertively using its Constitutional powers. If McConnel gave Obama a third SCOTUS appointment, allowing him to swing the court hard left for decades, the explosion on the right would be incredible. I can't imagine but that he would lose his position, and then the nominee would still fail to get the 60 votes necessary.
 
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Manc Skipper said:
He was elected to a four-year term, not three.
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He was elected to be President, not King. He has little standing to complain that other branches of government are treating him the way he treated them.
 
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