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Watch 1,400 US Workers Learn Their Jobs Are Moving to Mexico

fmw said:
I remember Ross Perot describing the effects of NAFTA as creating a "big sucking sound" as American jobs headed south. The Carrier people have been "sucked" I guess and I don't blame them for being angry. We often fail to understand that these trade agreements and treaties cause us to compete directly with other countries. The management at Carrier is left with no options if they wish to remain competitive in their industry.

And we wonder why middle class wages haven't risen. They never will until we start bringing the jobs back home.
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1. Usually this has nothing to do with staying competitive and more to do with executives lining their pockets with gold.

2. Trump wants to put a stop to unfair trade agreements.
 
KevinKohler said:
So I have a question.


This company packs up and moves, and it only kills 1,400 jobs. Why is this headline news? This **** is everywhere.

My company ALONE cut over 2,000 jobs last year, ALL management, all over 40K per year. But yet that's not news. Is it because it's retail? Nobody cares about what happens in the retail industry?
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Probably because the employees bent over and took it without saying or doing anything. Just like the American people are doing when it comes to unfair trade agreements.
 
DVSentinel said:
If they are willing to kill socialist, then yep!
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Wait, what?? I can't exactly figure out what you meant because of the grammar fail.
 
Grant said:
From your description it's not Mexico that's failing.
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You know, you do have a point. They have managed to screw a Super Power run by one of the greater fools of modern US history. However, all in all, that's not enough to lift the failed culture and country of Mexico from it's growning legacy.
 
Citizen.Seven said:
There's nothing patriotic about supporting enemies. Quite the opposite, actually.
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Which is why, for example, no sane person should ever glorify the Confederate flag.
 
ocean515 said:
You know, you do have a point. They have managed to screw a Super Power run by one of the greater fools of modern US history. However, all in all, that's not enough to lift the failed culture and country of Mexico from it's growning legacy.
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And it's not just Mexico but all of Latin America. These are are a hard working people, for the most part, with great climates and access to any parts of the world, yet they all do poorly when compared to other democracies.

It's culture (created by the powerful) and the laws that keep these people down. If they had the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights they'd be doing far better than they are now. And the leftists in the democracies do their best, through unwitting ignorance, to keep these people down. To accept the status quo for the majority of the Latino people is shameful.

Put pressure to change the way the Latino governments work, especially in Mexico, and people would stay home with their friends and families rather than having to sneak across borders to do the work no one else wants.
 
reinoe said:
1. Usually this has nothing to do with staying competitive and more to do with executives lining their pockets with gold.

2. Trump wants to put a stop to unfair trade agreements.
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Executives, unlike government people, are compensated partly according to results. So if the executives line their pockets at least it is consistent with the compensation plan. That means it is consistent with the company's goals as the board of directors sees them. Yes it has everything to do with being competitive.

We should get rid of all trade agreements. We can manage trade without them even more effectively with them. In my experience trade agreements have all been losers for the U.S. I hope Trump can clean it up.
 
truthatallcost said:
Didn't Bush Sr talk about a "one world order"? How do the ultra wealthy achieve a one world order? By breaking down borders, mixing all populations together, and lowering the living standard of the middle class and working class.
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I have no idea but I sure don't support the concept of one world order. I prefer to see power decentralized as much as possible.
 
Grant said:
And it's not just Mexico but all of Latin America. These are are a hard working people, for the most part, with great climates and access to any parts of the world, yet they all do poorly when compared to other democracies.

It's culture (created by the powerful) and the laws that keep these people down. If they had the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights they'd be doing far better than they are now. And the leftists in the democracies do their best, through unwitting ignorance, to keep these people down. To accept the status quo for the majority of the Latino people is shameful.

Put pressure to change the way the Latino governments work, especially in Mexico, and people would stay home with their friends and families rather than having to sneak across borders to do the work no one else wants.
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I completely agree with every word you wrote. Yes, not just Mexico, but for the most part all of Latin America. And yes, it's most certainly cultural. Black markets, poverty, corruption, and a never ending rendition of musical chairs between ideological agendas.

It is for this reason that the illegal migration of these failed cultures be stopped. The people illegally coming here are failures from failed cultures where failure is hard to accomplish.
 
Citizen.Seven said:
I haven't bought an American car in nearly 20 years, and I'll never buy another. They are my political enemies, and I will not contribute to their coffers.
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Total aside and not even political. I use to buy only American...was it because of American workers or I just liked the car...not sure. I bought overseas for my last vehicle. I have to say, I am coming back to Ford. I miss the dependability.
 
iguanaman said:
The Chinese manufacturing wages are already rising at 12% a year, they expect their workers to be able afford a home with all the amenities and a car very soon. If they are going to be a consumer economy they need to have consumers that make decent wages. That's what you seem to keep forgetting. Most workers SPEND their wage increases in the economy boosting growth and GDP.

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Sure there are Chinese that are middle-class and there are lots of millionaires and some billionaires too. But the average income is still under $4.000 pa and about 400.000.000 or so are on about $2 per diem or less.

But as your pictures indicate albeit with a more optimistic bias than maybe warranted the Chinese are not the only and not even any longer the largest reservoir teeming with starving people that want food and will work, if you give them a chance to compete.
 
KevinKohler said:
Because there is no corporate welfare, so companies have to pay people enough to live off of, which means they also need to keep their prices low enough that people can buy what they make on their salaries.



And then there is the whole quality of life thing.


I mean, I get it. All of us here in america, we should be living like mexicans, and if only we were willing to do that, none of us would have any problems, and this would be a concervative wonderland!
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Nope. We should be making sure that our own kids get real. Make them get good educations. Make them believe that the government is not around to pay their way. Make them understand they are responsible for their search of happiness and that its pursuit and not it itself is their right.
 
joG said:
Nope. We should be making sure that our own kids get real. Make them get good educations. Make them believe that the government is not around to pay their way. Make them understand they are responsible for their search of happiness and that its pursuit and not it itself is their right.
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And a nation of engineers would be a nation of unemployed engineers.
 
joG said:
Then we will need to give up cheap t-shirts, mobiles and computers, i guess.
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i doubt that very much since the price they sell for has very little to do with cost of production. You really think there's no room in the profit margin for disney to stay in float to make their t-shirts in america, or to pay their dominican workers more? Hah!

GM was the first to outsource to mexico in the late 80s, so they could bring in $8 billion instead of $7 billion. Costs of their product did not go down, only their profit goes up. That makes it their *choice* and not *necessary*, so if you're going to defend it, at least be honest about the reason and end the corporate welfare subsidies
 
KevinKohler said:
And a nation of engineers would be a nation of unemployed engineers.
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200 million STEM jobs is quite the right wing fantasy, especially when they're so busy de-funding education
 
sounds about right, free trade is a disaster.


1) pull out of NAFTA.
2) tariff chinese/indian/mexican imports
3) place a 100% tax on corporations who outsource


no, we don't need them, if they outsource we don't need them any more than we need any random company in any random country. let them leave. they're doing it anyway with no consequences.
 
KevinKohler said:
So I have a question.


This company packs up and moves, and it only kills 1,400 jobs. Why is this headline news? This **** is everywhere.

My company ALONE cut over 2,000 jobs last year, ALL management, all over 40K per year. But yet that's not news. Is it because it's retail? Nobody cares about what happens in the retail industry?
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you should know it's because it was caught on camera and the crowd reacted with vitriol
 
KevinKohler said:
And a nation of engineers would be a nation of unemployed engineers.
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That is one reason to leave these decisions difficult and decentralized.
 
chromium said:
i doubt that very much since the price they sell for has very little to do with cost of production. You really think there's no room in the profit margin for disney to stay in float to make their t-shirts in america, or to pay their dominican workers more? Hah!

GM was the first to outsource to mexico in the late 80s, so they could bring in $8 billion instead of $7 billion. Costs of their product did not go down, only their profit goes up. That makes it their *choice* and not *necessary*, so if you're going to defend it, at least be honest about the reason and end the corporate welfare subsidies
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There is certainly a margin in t-shirts for $1. But, where they are produced is not the government's to decide unless you want to weaken the country.
 
truthatallcost said:
Are you kidding? No company is pulling up stakes and moving to Mexico unless it benefits the bottom line. Minimum wage in Mexico is $5.10 a day. Gee, think that might be a motivation? If you don't than you're far more basic than I am.
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It is not wages at all, it is regs. To continue or expand in the us, you have the epa, osha, federal permits, state permits, county permits, city permits and all the fees that o with them and all the people they need to pay to ensure they comply. Note that did not include taxes, which would require alot of people to account taxes in areas that have federal state county and city taxes as well.

For your average small business, meeting epa is no problem, for manufacturing and refining, meeting epa standards is a nightmare, and starting a new business in that field is next to impossible, while starting or expanding in mexico or china does not require all the bs.
 
Politicshead said:
So your idea of patriotism is to kill anyone who holds a different political opinion to yourself?
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Ah, I see you've met DV. His advocating for the deaths of those he disagrees with is not new.
 
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