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New state study highlights negative effects of marijuana.......

Fearandloathing said:
Well, get used to the idea. This country WILL legalize it well before the next election and the Liberals are making NO distinction between medical and recreational.

Further, yesterday a federal court judge struck down the Harper Conservatives attempt to control production in ruling that a patient may indeed grow their own. And by having tinkered with the legislation and how the new bill replaced old legislation, it is now, technically legal for anyone with a flower pot to raise a crop.



Lawmakers are idiots. While trying to curb distribution they inadvertently opened it up as wide as it gets. There are some 400 possession and possession for the purpose of trafficking now before the courts. A retired judge on the radio this afternoon said it is unlikely ANY of them can now proceed.
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I know the direction it is going. However I do not have to like it.
 
yankintx said:
Question for the Conservatives who oppose lifting the fed prohibition on cannabis

Most conservatives lean towards smaller government, and States having more autonomy from the Feds, do you not feel that the cannabis federal ban is unconstitutional in regards to the 10th Amendment?

No. You are attempting a silly strawman. Smaller government does not translate to no government. Society does require some rules.
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Risky Thicket said:
Indeed. It doesn't seem to me, however, that anyone here has advocated completely replacing effective OTC or prescription pharmaceuticals with cannabis. Certainly ibuprofen is and can be effective for many things. No one said we should toss them out and simply inhale or ingest marijuana.
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Actually that is exactly how the leagalization movement started. At that time, they knew going straight to legalization for recreational use was not a politically viable option. So they started with a move to legalize it for medicinal use.....starting with California. When that passed, many went to ludicrous lengths to justify medicinal use. Pot clubs opened up that employed quack doctors to prescribe pot for almost anything. Headaches, hemmorhoids, a sore elbow, glaucoma....etc.

Continued ibuprofen use, or should we say abuse, can be dangerous. There have been a few articles published in the mainstream lately addressing the subject.
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Absolutely correct. If you take over the recommended dose, you are putting your liver and your life at serious risk.

No one here is condemning the use of ibuprofen or prescription pharmaceuticals as a whole.
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I am not suggesting that anyone is doing so. I am only ridiculing the suggestion by many that pot is a medicinal miracle for practically everything.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Actually that is exactly how the leagalization movement started. At that time, they knew going straight to legalization for recreational use was not a politically viable option. So they started with a move to legalize it for medicinal use.....starting with California. When that passed, many went to ludicrous lengths to justify medicinal use. Pot clubs opened up that employed quack doctors to prescribe pot for almost anything. Headaches, hemmorhoids, a sore elbow, glaucoma....etc.
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Yeah, OK, probably all true, and what terrible harm to society did we see from legal pot? I don't know of any harm at all arising from legal pot, which is why I couldn't care less if all I needed to get a 'prescription' for pot was to fill out a one question form at checkout, "Is this for medicinal use" and it's just got one box, "YES!"

Absolutely correct. If you take over the recommended dose, you are putting your liver and your life at serious risk.
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Or take the recommended dose for long periods of time for chronic pain.

I am not suggesting that anyone is doing so. I am only ridiculing the suggestion by many that pot is a medicinal miracle for practically everything.
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It's true some advocates overstate the potential medical uses, but there's a nice cosmic balance against the MANY more (like the Feds) who claim it's a dangerous drug with no known medical uses.
 
Fearandloathing said:
"Drug addicts" don't use marijuana.

This is how out of touch is the entire right of the US. "Drug Addicts" use heroin, speed, extacy, etc. Marijuana is less addictive than coffee. Further, medical users don't SMOKE it, in fact hardly anyone does anymore. At the least a user will vapor his weed. More often it is more highly refined into products that can be more easily vapored or eaten.

What you and the other dinosaurs need to know is that most "addicts" today are addicted to prescription or over the counter drugs, especially in the US.


Drug Rankings by Harm
Substance Physical Harm Dependence Social Harm UK Class US Schedule
Heroin 2.78 3.00 2.54 A I
Cocaine 2.33 2.39 2.17 A II
Barbiturates 2.23 2.01 2.00 B III
Street Methadone 1.86 2.08 1.87 A II
Alcohol 1.40 1.93 2.21 n/s n/s

Ketamine 2.00 1.54 1.69 C III
Benzodiazepines 1.63 1.83 1.65 C IV
Amphetamine 1.81 1.67 1.50 A II
Tobacco 1.24 2.21 1.42 n/s n/s
Buprenorphine 1.60 1.64 1.49 C III

Cannabis 0.99 1.51 1.50 B I
Solvents 1.28 1.01 1.52 n/s n/s
4-MTA 1.44 1.30 1.06 A n/s
LSD 1.13 1.23 1.32 A I
Methylphenidate 1.32 1.25 0.97 B II

Anabolic steroids 1.45 0.88 1.13 C III
GHB 0.86 1.19 1.30 C I
Ecstasy 1.05 1.13 1.09 A I
Alkyl nitrites 0.93 0.87 0.97 n/s n/s
Khat 0.50 1.04 0.85 C I




This list places marijuana 13th behind coffee
''http://www.ranker.com/list/the-most-addictive-drugs/prescription-drugs-list

So feel safe feeding your kid sugar and coffee, let them have alcohol, both more addictive than pot. but under no circumstances shall you let them have pot. Let them have the most highly addictive legal drug on the planet, responsible for millions and millions of ugly and prolonged deaths every year....it's called tobacco.

Your stance is kind of like gun freaks, you want to outlaw something that really is NOT a problem. Frankly I find the right far more closed-minded on this issue than the left is on gun control. You guys are at war against a myth, crowding prisons with people who wear hemp shirts
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Yes drug addicts use MJ.

You can call them whatever you want, this is my term for them.
 
Mason66 said:
Yes drug addicts use MJ.

You can call them whatever you want, this is my term for them.
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LOL, true, drug addicts might use pot but they're not "addicted" to MJ. I've worked with a homeless shelter/residential rehab center for years, visited a local prison many times for meetings, and I've never seen anyone whose primary problem was pot. Meth, opiates, and/or alcohol mostly are 95% or more, some cocaine and crack - pot doesn't come up as their problem. If someone's passing it around they'll smoke it, but if you give the actual low bottom drug addicts I see $20, they'll buy what they need to feed their addiction, and it's not ever, IME, going to be a joint.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Actually that is exactly how the leagalization movement started. At that time, they knew going straight to legalization for recreational use was not a politically viable option. So they started with a move to legalize it for medicinal use.....starting with California. When that passed, many went to ludicrous lengths to justify medicinal use. Pot clubs opened up that employed quack doctors to prescribe pot for almost anything. Headaches, hemmorhoids, a sore elbow, glaucoma....etc.



Absolutely correct. If you take over the recommended dose, you are putting your liver and your life at serious risk.



I am not suggesting that anyone is doing so. I am only ridiculing the suggestion by many that pot is a medicinal miracle for practically everything.
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I'm with your there. While pot may be A solution for some physical and mental issues it is not the only solution and not always the best solution. It may also work well within a regime of medicines.

As with sooooooooooo many things these days the zealots and extremists on both sides hinder progress for the majority of us in the middle. Is marijuana a viable alternative, a good alternative, to other medicines? Yes, I believe it is and it can be. But it isn't a cure as some some extremists claim. It isn't a miracle. At the same time is THC the devil's deal in cannabis solutions? No of course not. To insist that THC shouldn't be part of any medicinal cannabis solution is ridiculous.

Unfortunately the vast majority of us are likely much closer to agreement than the extremists would like.
 
JasperL said:
Yeah, OK, probably all true, and what terrible harm to society did we see from legal pot? I don't know of any harm at all arising from legal pot, which is why I couldn't care less if all I needed to get a 'prescription' for pot was to fill out a one question form at checkout, "Is this for medicinal use" and it's just got one box, "YES!"
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However there is harm from legal pot. Using pot for recreational use leads to using more and more pot for recreational use. Once it gets past a certain point, it is actually more harmful then tobacco.



Or take the recommended dose for long periods of time for chronic pain.
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True.



It's true some advocates overstate the potential medical uses, but there's a nice cosmic balance against the MANY more (like the Feds) who claim it's a dangerous drug with no known medical uses.
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I don't dispute that there are medicinal uses for pot....though for the most part that medicinal use is in non intoxicating forms. I am only criticizing those who simply use the medicinal use excuse to justify recreational use.
 
Drug use is bad for you :shock: ...who'd of thunk it?
 
Mason66 said:
Yes drug addicts use MJ.

You can call them whatever you want, this is my term for them.
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Call us whatever you want. One, we're used to it, two, once you have been addicted and beat, little things and small minds are easily ignored.

I've been dealing with gross ignorance for 25 years, as long as I have been clean and sober
 
Fearandloathing said:
There is no evidence that Marijuana causes cirrhosis of the liver.

Marijuana is far less addictive than alcohol, in fact it is considered a 'psychological' addiction.

There is no evidence using pot shortens your life, while alcohol use is said to take off from 3 to 12 years depending on the level of the addiction.

Marijuana is a proven pain management tool.

Marijuana is being used to treat serious addictions, a well as sleep disorders, as well as depression, anxiety, PTSD, chronic alcohol syndrome, and a treatment for schizophrenia. There are documented cases where marijuana is credited as curing a cancer and is used as a treatment for skin cancer and other skin ailments.

The fiber from the pot plant makes the finest linen in the world [I have a shirt. It is illegal in the US....what kind of a ****ed up police state makes a ****ing shirt illegal?]


Those are just a few differences. I could get into issues about impairment and studies done about driving -- did you know that 50% of those tested become BETTER drivers?

I suggest, my good friend, that you do some research.

Very important and well educated, highly respected people are leading the charge and have succeeded in showing the benefits in high places. People may have a low opinion of Canada, but we do have a Supreme court, considered fairly conservative and THEY have approved the use of marijuana as a medication...not only in smoke form, but as an edible...


Supreme Court: Medical Marijuana More Than Just Dried Pot

Note, all nine justices weighed in...

The decision was yet another rebuke of the Harper government's tough-on-crime agenda.

Not only was it unanimous, but the court made a point of attributing the written decision to the entire court — something the justices do when they want to underline a finding.

"The prohibition of non-dried forms of medical marijuana limits liberty and security of the person in a manner that is arbitrary and hence is not in accord with the principles of fundamental justice," said the written judgement.
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That's all well and good, and has nothing to do with my post. Alcohol, just like weed, should not be smoked by minors - that was my point.
 
beefheart said:
Marijuana is much less harmful than alcohol or most prescription drugs. Your study is crap, absolute crap. Marijuana has been a very successful treatment for many ailments.

Aside from that, it should be legal for recreational uses. If you don't like that...then don't use it...but god knows it would help you.
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That's your subjective opinion and no, the basis for legalization shouldn't be based on your opinion.
 
Fenton said:
That's your subjective opinion and no, the basis for legalization shouldn't be based on your opinion.
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Hey Fenton....how many people have died overdosing on marijuana? LOL
 
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