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New state study highlights negative effects of marijuana.......

Mr Person said:
Have you read the studies that source cites? Have you read up on that source's reputation? Have you determined the degree to which the studies cited by that source have been accepted or rejected within the scientific community?

Anyone can "post a link".



See here's the thing..... marijuana smoke HAS been found to contain things classified as carcinogens. BUT, it has not been linked to cancer at a level of statistical significance.

Further, your site relies on the trope that marijuana smokers are said to hold the smoke in their lungs much longer than cigarette smokers; they neglect to mention that extremely few marijuana smokers smoke the same weight of marijuana as the typical tobacco smoker. They also neglect to mention the differences by weight in harmful chemicals produced.

It has been linked to emphysema, but only in Willie Nelson amounts. Please spend 50 hour researching this for yourself, from sources you deem on "either side" of the position, rather than asking for links... I can link "High Times" and you wouldn't buy it, of course.

It also keeps using lots of scare words around a few telling words. For example, note the way that the blue words defeat everything else around them: "Smoking marijuana hurts the lungs' first line of defense against infection by killing cells that help remove dust and germs as well as causing more mucus to be formed. In addition, it also suppresses the immune system. These effects could lead to an increased risk of lower respiratory tract infections among marijuana smokers, although there is no clear evidence of such actual infections being more common among marijuana smokers."


In other words:

*could lead* to a *specific type of infection*, and *we wouldn't specify the absolute and/or relative increase in alleged risk* and *won't specify likely outcomes from said infection(s)*.




Drips of scare-mongering.


[Nevermind that anyone concerned with the effects on their personal choice to ingest a substance - something both true liberals and true conservatives and true libertarians should agree with - should not try to put their concerns into government policy]
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'Skunk' cannabis can cause 'significant' brain damage | Health News | Lifestyle | The Independent

There's a also distinction between the marijuana of the 70s and 80s and the stuff that's available today.

It can cause significant brain damage according to the study I just posted.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Point of information: It is illegal to SELL cigarettes and alcohol to minors.

Minors can still smoke and drink; they are not in danger of criminal action for doing this simply because they are minors. They are subject to all the same laws as adults who do so.
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It's legal for minors to drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes? In what states?

I've heard there are a couple of states where it's legal for minors to drink at home but never had that confirmed.
 
Lursa said:
It's legal for minors to drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes? In what states?

I've heard there are a couple of states where it's legal for minors to drink at home but never had that confirmed.
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After doing some research, I stand corrected. Apparently things have changed a lot in the last few years in many States. I've always known that anyone can be arrested for public intoxication, adults and minors. However I was not aware society was stupid enough to modify the laws to punish minors criminally for drinking and smoking. Most states have always allowed parents to permit their own children to drink as long as it is at home or some non-public place. I was also aware that the adults are held criminally responsible for supplying and allowing minors to drink. So too, aware that Adults 18 -20 could be prosecuted for drinking thanks to those stupid laws promulgated by MADD. (Stupid in their case because IMO if you are old enough to vote and go to war, you are old enough to exercise a right to drink and smoke.)

I should have known, based on the foolish ideology of the War on Drugs, that people would think criminalizing a behavior like drinking and smoking actually helps the juvenile being put through the criminal justice system. I apologize, I don't do juvenile law and I was basing my statement on past knowledge. Once upon a time, kids were just divested of the items and dropped home for their parents to take care of. I guess people think jail and a criminal record is a much better way of dealing with personal choices like that. :shrug:

I am both surprised and appalled by that ideology.
 
If only Fox News and others in the Axis of Propaganda would do such stories about the effects on developing young brains caused by off-label prescribing of various psychoactive drugs by the medical industry. Why won't they cover THAT story?

Answer: because Big Pharma does not want them to.
 
Lursa said:
It's legal for minors to drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes? In what states?

I've heard there are a couple of states where it's legal for minors to drink at home but never had that confirmed.
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As far as I know, it's legal for minors to drink at home here in Ontario, Canada. We were allowed to have wine with dinner at special occasions, starting out with about 1/4 of a glass and increasing as we got older.

The legal drinking age is 19 here, but was 18 when I was that age.
 
Scrabaholic said:
Minors shouldn't be toking, just like they shouldn't be smoking tobacco or drinking alcohol. It's not a valid reason to keep it from adults.

ETA: the exception for minors being for medical use ie. epilepsy, it has been found to greatly reduce the number of seizures in children who were having many of them per day despite taking anti seizure pharmaceuticals.
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That is not from smoking pot...it is from administering cannabis oil. And they do not get a high from it.
 
ObamacareFail said:
That is not from smoking pot...it is from administering cannabis oil. And they do not get a high from it.
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Important to note, but also lends credence to the idea of medical marijuana.

As for pot itself, that's a decision that should be made by adults, not the government or our prison industrial complex. As someone who has smoked pot, cigarettes, drank alcohol, etc, I can say with 100% certainty that pot is on the bottom of my list of dangerous substances to take part in. It's a relaxing activity to take part in after a long day of work, much more relaxing than drinking sugary beers or shots of liquor that your body over the course of decades has trouble metabolizing, leading to many potential issues.

It's also a decision that I think has a lot of bipartisan support among the bases of both parties. But we can't come to a reasonable conclusion of this issue due to the amount of influence certain industries have in politics such as the prescription drug industry, the prison industry, the alcohol industry, etc. This is definitely changing as of late as members of both parties and their base constituents support reform.
 
akrunner88 said:
Important to note, but also lends credence to the idea of medical marijuana.

As for pot itself, that's a decision that should be made by adults, not the government or our prison industrial complex. As someone who has smoked pot, cigarettes, drank alcohol, etc, I can say with 100% certainty that pot is on the bottom of my list of dangerous substances to take part in. It's a relaxing activity to take part in after a long day of work, much more relaxing than drinking sugary beers or shots of liquor that your body over the course of decades has trouble metabolizing, leading to many potential issues.

It's also a decision that I think has a lot of bipartisan support among the bases of both parties. But we can't come to a reasonable conclusion of this issue due to the amount of influence certain industries have in politics such as the prescription drug industry, the prison industry, the alcohol industry, etc. This is definitely changing as of late as members of both parties and their base constituents support reform.
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While I am against the legalization of pot for recreational use, I don't have a problem with genuine medicinal use. And by genuine, I mean legitimate medicinal use....such as with cannibis oil to treat seizures. That does not include potheads smoking pot under the guise of medicinal use....just for the sake of getting high.
 
Scrabaholic said:
One does not have to smoke it to imbibe. It can be eaten or vaped.
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Silliness. Marijuana is not smoked at anywhere near the frequency that people smoke cigarettes. I don't think too many have a 20 joint a day habit, nor do those around that person have the second hand smoke of someone with a cigarette habit. The air pollution of most major cities would subject you to far more smoke than your average marijuana user.

The people that want to live in the past on Marijuana laws are simply grasping at straws. You really should find yourself a substantive issue.Grasping at Straws.jpg

Mason66 said:
You will never convince current drug addicts of the negative effects of MJ no matter how many studies you come up with.
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No one ever said it was a health food, even when organic.
 
Grant said:
The physical effects of pot, apart from the brain, are seldom mentioned. There also seems less concern among users about second hand smoke. It's Darwin's theory at work.

Marijuana and Lung Health | American Lung Association
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That is why doctors recommend vaping, or edibles. Smoking weed is soo 1970's, most of my friends vape. If you are going to use a drug use it responsibly.
 
ObamacareFail said:
While I am against the legalization of pot for recreational use, I don't have a problem with genuine medicinal use. And by genuine, I mean legitimate medicinal use....such as with cannibis oil to treat seizures. That does not include potheads smoking pot under the guise of medicinal use....just for the sake of getting high.
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We'll agree to disagree, but I respect that you're open to the idea of using cannabis oil as an alternative treatment to other drugs when treating certain medical issues.
 
ObamacareFail said:
While I am against the legalization of pot for recreational use, I don't have a problem with genuine medicinal use. And by genuine, I mean legitimate medicinal use....such as with cannibis oil to treat seizures. That does not include potheads smoking pot under the guise of medicinal use....just for the sake of getting high.
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I agree! And 'legitimate medicinal use' should be defined by the individual not dictated to us by a nanny state bureaucrat from Washington!

Edit to say more seriously that for really any drug to require a prescription, then there should be some objective potential for harm if that drug is used in situations other than as prescribed, and I can't think of the harm that would justify the cost and inconvenience of requiring users to get a doctor's prescription.
 
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upsideguy said:
Silliness. Marijuana is not smoked at anywhere near the frequency that people smoke cigarettes. I don't think too many have a 20 joint a day habit, nor do those around that person have the second hand smoke of someone with a cigarette habit. The air pollution of most major cities would subject you to far more smoke than your average marijuana user.

The people that want to live in the past on Marijuana laws are simply grasping at straws. You really should find yourself a substantive issue.View attachment 67197130
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Why are you posting this to me? I am pro legalization.
 
Fearandloathing said:
This version of the report is very skewed. This version says teen who do such and such will develop problems, whereas what it really says that the risk in undefined and there is no data on how often this could occur.


It also leaves out very important facts,m such as marijuana is a physically addictive as coffee, that adults show none of these problems. Further the statement that a person on marijuana is twice as likely to have a car accident is simply untrue.

However to the guns and bibles crowd it means teens turn into "fiends". This is the most seriously faulted study I have seen yeat; and even if everything they says is true, all it means is you have to keep it out of the hands of teens.

Duh
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The approval process for such studies is cumbersome, unless you are attempting a study showing the negative effects of cannabis. I am not a big believer in conspiracy theories, but am convinced the government has dragged its feet on approving studies which validate the plants medical benefits. There is an approved FDA clinical study on the cannabis and PTSD being conducted, the FIRST of its kind. As of today, all clinical studies proving the plants many medical benefits were conducted outside the FDA's approval. In other words, the Federal government will only approve FDA clinical studies which go to proving the plants dangers, and in all those studies there has been nothing to justify the plants placement on Schedule 1. The current FDA approved PTSD study, is the first, and the Federal dragged its feet on approval. There is a mountain of evidence proving the plants benefits, none of it is acceptable to the FDA as proof, as it was not a study sanctioned by the FDA, see the issue?

Smell a conspiracy?
 
JasperL said:
I agree! And 'legitimate medicinal use' should be defined by the individual not dictated to us by a nanny state bureaucrat from Washington!

Edit to say more seriously that for really any drug to require a prescription, then there should be some objective potential for harm if that drug is used in situations other than as prescribed, and I can't think of the harm that would justify the cost and inconvenience of requiring users to get a doctor's prescription.
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I disagree. Any addictive drug should require a prescription. And when medicinal drugs are abused recreationally, they have less positive effect when they are actually needed for legitimate medicinal use. For instance, one addicted to any opium drug will have much diminished effectiveness if treated with morphine for serious pain related to trauma, cancer, etc.
 
Tettsuo said:
This is by far the most important point to remember when discussing marijuana.
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It also happens to be the only 100% effective medicine, other than an opiate that I cannot use, in dealing with my cluster migraines.

This is either yet another report on the same thing, or a duplicate study. of course it has negative effects on youth, as does coffee, cigarettes, alcohol and glue. The path to saving your children is not in law, but in how they are raised. There has never been a law that prevented under age kids getting their hands on alcohol.
 
ObamacareFail said:
I disagree. Any addictive drug should require a prescription. And when medicinal drugs are abused recreationally, they have less positive effect when they are actually needed for legitimate medicinal use. For instance, one addicted to any opium drug will have much diminished effectiveness if treated with morphine for serious pain related to trauma, cancer, etc.
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We'll just have to disagree. Bottom line for me is prohibition failed miserably with alcohol and we repealed it and it's FAR more destructive to human health than pot. And pot prohibition has also failed miserably. Any HS kid can get it with a couple of phone calls, and it's cheap, and will always be cheap because it is easy to grow and can be grown anywhere. I just cannot see the benefits of continuing to fight a 'war' we've lost and can never, ever, ever win.

So even if I agreed in principle on pot, and I don't, then I'd still favor complete legalization and treating it like we do cigarettes and alcohol.
 
ObamacareFail said:
I disagree. Any addictive drug should require a prescription. And when medicinal drugs are abused recreationally, they have less positive effect when they are actually needed for legitimate medicinal use. For instance, one addicted to any opium drug will have much diminished effectiveness if treated with morphine for serious pain related to trauma, cancer, etc.
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I agree. The point being though is that marijuana is usually considered less addictive than coffee. As an recovered addict of 25 years I have learned a thing or two about addictions. We fear "drug addiction" with the image of wastrels gunning their veins with heroin; the truth is 60% of addictions in north America are with prescription drugs
 
JasperL said:
We'll just have to disagree. Bottom line for me is prohibition failed miserably with alcohol and we repealed it and it's FAR more destructive to human health than pot. And pot prohibition has also failed miserably. Any HS kid can get it with a couple of phone calls, and it's cheap, and will always be cheap because it is easy to grow and can be grown anywhere. I just cannot see the benefits of continuing to fight a 'war' we've lost and can never, ever, ever win.

So even if I agreed in principle on pot, and I don't, then I'd still favor complete legalization and treating it like we do cigarettes and alcohol.
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Alcohol being " FAR more destructive than Pot " is simply not true.

Skunk Weed Can Cause Signifigant Brain Damage ...
King's College London - Uncovering the link between cannabis and psychosis

The new higher potency forms of the drug and even Marijuana of average potency can lead to debilitating issues later on in life which includes but is not limited to mental illness.

It may not have the same effects as Alcohol but that doesn't make it safer or its distinct effects any less destructive.

Besides, laws concerning the legality of distinct phsyco active chemical compounds aren't based on how the effect of that compound compares to the effects of alcohol.

Sure that's one of the justifications for legalizition from the Pro-legalize it crowd but its alsk a absolutey arbitrary and lazy argument for legalization

The Governor of Colorado came out and stated that legalizing Marijuana in his State was a mistake and Ohio voted down legalizing it recently too.


It's not some benign or " healthy " way to unwind at the end of the day. It's a powerul psychoactive drug.
 
Fenton said:
Alcohol being " FAR more destructive than Pot " is simply not true.

Skunk Weed Can Cause Signifigant Brain Damage ...
King's College London - Uncovering the link between cannabis and psychosis

The new higher potency forms of the drug and even Marijuana of average potency can lead to debilitating issues later on in life which includes but is not limited to mental illness.

It may not have the same effects as Alcohol but that doesn't make it safer or its distinct effects any less destructive.
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If you have any evidence, cite it. I've looked and can't find it. Alcohol kills about 88,000 each year, costs about $250 billion in health care costs per year, and more. I just have never seen anything like comparable stats for pot. Heck, detoxing from alcohol is itself potentially fatal...

Besides, laws concerning the legality of distinct phsyco active chemical compounds aren't based on how the effect of that compound compares to the effects of alcohol.

Sure that's one of the justifications for legalizition from the Pro-legalize it crowd but its alsk a absolutey arbitrary and lazy argument for legalization
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You quoted me and my primary argument for legalization, and can address it if you want. The war so far has failed in every possible way you can measure it. See my earlier comment.

In the alternative, I'll ask a direct question - what goal can the continued war on pot accomplish that isn't also accomplished with legalization and regulation?

The Governor of Colorado came out and stated that legalizing Marijuana in his State was a mistake
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He was opposed to legalization, but his most recent comments are at worst ambivalent. Here's an article from Dec. 2015, sample quote:

"After the election, if I could've had a magic wand, and I could've waved it and reversed the outcome of the election [legalizing pot], I would've done it," he said. "Now if I had that same magic wand, I'm not sure I'd wave it."
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and Ohio voted down legalizing it recently too.
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LOL, that was a TERRIBLE proposal that would have legalized a cartel of only ten lucky suppliers. It's just a laughable example of political corruption and crony capitalism at its worst. I read MANY residents of Ohio strongly in favor of legal pot who voted against that pile of crap proposed amendment.

It's not some benign or " healthy " way to unwind at the end of the day. It's a powerul psychoactive drug.
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I'm not arguing in favor of getting high. I don't take any intoxicants - I'm in my 10th year sober so know first hand the damage drug abuse can cause, seen many people die from alcohol abuse, including in my own family. And I'm not advocating pot as a "healthy" alternative. All I'm suggesting is we allow people like me to use and abuse alcohol and treat the problem as a public health issue not a criminal issue (except for impaired driving and the like). I've never seen any argument that suggests continuing to treat pot use as a criminal problem makes sense at ANY level.
 
Fenton said:
Alcohol being " FAR more destructive than Pot " is simply not true.

Skunk Weed Can Cause Signifigant Brain Damage ...
King's College London - Uncovering the link between cannabis and psychosis

The new higher potency forms of the drug and even Marijuana of average potency can lead to debilitating issues later on in life which includes but is not limited to mental illness.

It may not have the same effects as Alcohol but that doesn't make it safer or its distinct effects any less destructive.

Besides, laws concerning the legality of distinct phsyco active chemical compounds aren't based on how the effect of that compound compares to the effects of alcohol.

Sure that's one of the justifications for legalizition from the Pro-legalize it crowd but its alsk a absolutey arbitrary and lazy argument for legalization

The Governor of Colorado came out and stated that legalizing Marijuana in his State was a mistake and Ohio voted down legalizing it recently too.


It's not some benign or " healthy " way to unwind at the end of the day. It's a powerul psychoactive drug.
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Context, Fenton, context. Everything you said above is either out of context or incomplete. It is all fine and good if that is all you require. Know, however, that many here aren't going to fall for shuck and jive as JasperL clearly points out.
 
ObamacareFail said:
I disagree. Any addictive drug should require a prescription. And when medicinal drugs are abused recreationally, they have less positive effect when they are actually needed for legitimate medicinal use. For instance, one addicted to any opium drug will have much diminished effectiveness if treated with morphine for serious pain related to trauma, cancer, etc.
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Any addictive drug should require a prescription? Goodness, even caffeine and nicotine?
 
Thoreau72 said:
Any addictive drug should require a prescription? Goodness, even caffeine and nicotine?
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short all of your coke and pepsi stock
starbucks, too
 
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