• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Bernie Sanders tied in Nevada

My opinion, and I admit my bias. I cannot stand HRC.
Democrats if they had another credible choice would go for it.

I'm not a fan either. In fact I'm almost to the point where if Trump gets the nom and so does she, I might be swayed into voting for him if he tones down a little of his messaging. I think he is pandering to the Republican base, but he has pretty moderate to liberal positions on quite a few issues.
 
I'm not a fan either. In fact I'm almost to the point where if Trump gets the nom and so does she, I might be swayed into voting for him if he tones down a little of his messaging. I think he is pandering to the Republican base, but he has pretty moderate to liberal positions on quite a few issues.

This is mindboggling to me.
 
I don't agree. I mean, I agree that Bernie is a great spokesman for his causes and should continue to be in the Senate.

But the influence of the bully pulpit is vastly overstated. Obama is 10x the orator that Bernie will ever be, and he's achieved virtually nothing via the bully pulpit.

And I haven't looked at the numbers yet, but I understand that thus far turnout in the primaries has been down from '08 (Bernie just blamed his loss on lower turnout than he wanted in NV, despite the fact that his entire theory of political change is based on him turning out new voters--a "revolution"--in numbers never seen before). So I would assume he hasn't yet pulled in greater numbers of young voters than Obama did in '08. And where were those young voters in 2010, demanding legislators advance a liberal agenda or risk getting voted out? The Democratic party was decimated in that election, losing the states, the redistricting process, and thus the entire decade, because those voters did not show up and hold legislators accountable.

The 111th Congress produced some of the greatest progressive victories since the mid-60s. The Democrats lost 63 seats (in fairness, the 89th "Great Society" Congress, arguably the greatest in history, resulted in the loss of 47 seats). The people that you're relying on will be there on election night this year and that's it. You can't rely on them after that. Personality only goes so far, as Obama has discovered. Infrastructure matters for the long haul. And that's not something outsiders, particularly those with zero history with the party, have much experience with.

I can't speak for old timers, I can only speak for myself (I narrowly missed being old enough to vote in the '04 elections so Obama '08 was my first presidential vote). I remember how great that election felt--I lived in Hyde Park, Obama's neighborhood in Chicago, at that time! But I also remember the seven years that have followed.

The next president isn't going to be FDR, sweeping in with 313 Dem House seats (with an additional 5 Farmer-Laborers!). The House is going to be held by Republicans for the rest of this decade at least. There are exactly two Democratic presidents who've had to navigate that unfamiliar terrain in the last century. One is about to leave office and his successor is clear. The other, well he'll be taking up residence again soon in a rather different role.

Yes, Obama is a great orator but ideologically he is also more of a centrist, the same as Hillary. Not to mention Obama and Hillary are also beholden to the party elite. It didn't take long after Obama was elected to realize he was not the progressive revolutionary many of us were hoping for.

Something very different is happening right now and I think most still don't get it. I explain some of this in my Trump thread Hate to say I was right (Trump) While the left and right could not be more different ideologically right now, a similar phenomena is happening. Both sides are done with establishment cronyism and are on the verge of hiring outsiders to do the job. This is not the 90's or 00's, the people have finally caught on to our corrupt political system that disproportionately benefits the wealthy.

This movement is far larger than Bernie, he just happens to be in the right place at the right time and is the figurehead. Regardless of what happens in this election revolution is coming sooner or later. Boomers are dying, millenials are far more economically progressive than any generation before and the issue of real democracy will come to a head at some point. I've been waiting for this to happen since the economic collapse and it keeps happening in fits and starts. Obama was a transitional figure that was ultimately a bit of a let down, OWS captured the sentiment but went nowhere, the inevitable congressional blowback happened in 2010, Obama coasted in 2012. What we are seeing are the last convulsions of Reaganomics and the brainwashing oligarchy desperately trying to hold on to power. Most people have gotten so used to this they think it is normal, it is not. Bernie represents the path on the way out of this and towards a brighter future in which the middle class has actual political power again. Some will say this is impossible because they don't know anything other than two bought parties beating each other to death as theater.
 
People won't come out and vote for Bernie.

Look at the Democratic Primaries. Record lows in voter turnout while the Republicans are receiving record highs.

You just have to look at the first post in this thread. Read the first sentence. These are the Bernie supporters.

Unemployed free loading moochers that want free health care, free education, free money without actually working.

Luckily on election day, they will be too baked to turn in their ballots.
 
Back
Top Bottom