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Department of Justice will sue Ferguson to force criminal justice reforms

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http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/10/ferguson-department-of-justice-lawsuit-police-reforms

The lawsuit, which was filed to federal court even before Lynch began speaking, alleges that Ferguson is guilty of a “pattern or practice” of law enforcement actions violating the first, fourth and 14th amendments of the US constitution and federal civil rights laws.

“The residents of Ferguson have suffered the deprivation of their constitutional rights – the rights guaranteed to all Americans – for decades,” said Lynch. “They have waited decades for justice. They should not be forced to wait any longer.”
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In short, the DoJ and Ferguson had reached a deal to help clean up the injustice within Ferguson, but Ferguson reneged at the last minute. And the DoJ has called their bluff.
 
This should end well... :roll:
 
OpportunityCost said:
Dude, their police force is 6% black. 3 in 50 to be exact.
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It is not the police officers that must pay the damages - that tab goes to the taxpayers many (most?) of whom are black.

Punishing the folks because of the actions of the (racist?) morons that they pay to "protect and serve" them is kind of ironic. Look for the union label.

Maybe crime may rise a bit as the officers spend much more of their time getting retrained in the (politically?) correct way to make arrests in proportion to the local demographics. Maybe we can call it affirmative inaction aka the Ferguson effect.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
It is not the police officers that must pay the damages - that tab goes to the taxpayers many (most?) of whom are black.

Punishing the folks because of the actions of the (racist?) morons that they pay to "protect and serve" them is kind of ironic. Look for the union label.

Maybe crime may rise a bit as the officers spend much more of their time getting retrained in the (politically?) correct way to make arrests in proportion to the local demographics. Maybe we can call it affirmative inaction aka the Ferguson effect.
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Just my take but I am betting the St Louis county may absorb some of the cross training costs or be assisted by the DOJ lending resources.

Fenton, seriously, the demographics on the greater St Louis area police departments are out of whack. St. Louis County police forces often don't reflect communities : News
 
ttwtt78640 said:
It is not the police officers that must pay the damages - that tab goes to the taxpayers many (most?) of whom are black.

Punishing the folks because of the actions of the (racist?) morons that they pay to "protect and serve" them is kind of ironic. Look for the union label.

Maybe crime may rise a bit as the officers spend much more of their time getting retrained in the (politically?) correct way to make arrests in proportion to the local demographics. Maybe we can call it affirmative inaction aka the Ferguson effect.
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well no, they will have to make cut backs in the department and be forced to change their ways, else they would be sued again (and again). In addition, a federal court has thrown out ALL traffic tickets for a period of months, so the department loses income there. Frankly this whole process of PDs funding themselves thru selective traffic control is just begging for racist corruption

but i do take issue with this notion that one can buy their way out of anything in this country. The fed should take over the ferguson PD and those cops removed from law enforcement permanently, along with anyone else behind it (politicians etc)

then we can talk reimbursing those who were harmed
 
seems to me the message of those running the state of missouri and city of ferguson is they want *more* riots
 
chromium said:
well no, they will have to make cut backs in the department and be forced to change their ways, else they would be sued again (and again)

but i do take issue with this notion that one can buy their way out of anything in this country. The fed should take over the ferguson PD and those cops removed from law enforcement permanently, along with anyone else behind it (politicians etc)

then we can talk reimbursing those who were harmed
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Reading is for the mental... I mean fundamental.

From the OP link:
On Tuesday, the city of Ferguson outlined seven objections to the Justice Department’s proposed agreement, which would have forced it to pay for a federal monitor to oversee the running of city’s criminal justice system and spend money on salary raises for police officers and other city employees. It also required the city to agree to basic principles of constitutional policing.

James Knowles III, the city’s part-time mayor, has repeatedly warned that the costs of implementing the reform agreement – known as a “consent decree”, could be financially ruinous. The city of 22,000 people has seen its budget suffer after it agreed to reduce the amount of revenue it collected in fines and fees for minor offences from poverty-stricken residents.
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Folks, including city governments, don't get paid to lose lawsuits.
 
I find it funny that the DOJ can sue a city for what was found to be 0 wrong doing.
the whole point of suing is to fix some kind of wrong.

so I don't see what the basis of this law suit is.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Reading is for the mental... I mean fundamental.

From the OP link:


Folks, including city governments, don't get paid to lose lawsuits.
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i don't believe they should have any say in the matter, after what they've done. There should be a process to streamline federal takeover in cases of severe civil rights abuses, not months-long legal wrangling over finances

And i certainly object to the cops getting raises per the DoJ proposal. Did you read what i said? Get them out of there!
 
chromium said:
i don't believe they should have any say in the matter, after what they've done. There should be a process to streamline federal takeover in cases of severe civil rights abuses, not months-long legal wrangling over finances

And i certainly object to the cops getting raises per the DoJ proposal. Did you read what i said? Get them out of there!
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Who, exactly, should pay for that "federal takeover" cost? It is not someone else's fault that local governments get out of control. Ferguson ****ed up so Ferguson should pay for the fix. Nobody has a right to federal bailouts - how much are you going to donate to help fix Ferguson? What federal spending would you cut in order to fund fixing local government problems instead?
 
Has anyone proven that the entire police department is racist? I am seeing in this thread calls to clear them all out, I am assuming there is something that suggests they all deserve this?

And what does everyone really think will happen once they are all gone? Peace and no crime?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
LOL !!!

Conservative geography again...

Ferguson is in Missouri - Baltimore is in Maryland.
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Yup, My bad.

Just curious, are the Police in Baltimore as " racist " as the police in Missouri ?
 
Fenton said:
Yup, My bad.

Just curious, are the Police in Baltimore as " racist " as the police in Missouri ?
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I have no idea. I suspect that many police forces have their fair share of less than honorable officers. Look for the union label.
 
chromium said:
i don't believe they should have any say in the matter, after what they've done. There should be a process to streamline federal takeover in cases of severe civil rights abuses, not months-long legal wrangling over finances

And i certainly object to the cops getting raises per the DoJ proposal. Did you read what i said? Get them out of there!
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The City Police, could also be absorbed by the County to provide enforcement.
 
Since the Ferguson PD has been found criminally racist, have there been arrests made?
 
reforms? like what? convince an officer when a robbery suspect(who is a hulk of a man) charges you, do nothing and hope he comes to his senses before he KILLS YOU?!
man, you people.
 
Looks like a case of obama and his AG appealing to their constituents. I wonder if the DOJ will go after the rent a riot types who bussed in thugs to engage in looting and criminal destruction. some of those looters crossed state lines with the intent of engaging in felonious behavior. There's federal jurisdiction right there
 
Ironically, St. Louis just surpassed Detroit as the most dangerous city in America.

Lynch ignored that.
 
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