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Iran releases new photos of U.S. sailors crying

eohrnberger said:
Now that there's no fear of US military or retaliation, can get away with a bunch of stuff you'd never have thought of getting away with before.

So yet another example of the weakness projected to the international community by this administration.
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The "best" way to show weakness would be to over react. Actually..... I would retaliate:

I would release a video with Iranian music showing Iranian civilians overcome with emotion when they become US citizens, or when their asylum applications are approved. Add some sublte anti regime commentary, then mix it with popular Iranian pop music videos and finally, neat information on how to avoid regime inter net blocking etc. Produce several hundred thousand cheap CDs, and introduce them into mom and pop stores in Turkey, Dubai and Azerbaijan (all places where Iranians shop).

This will probably have far more impact than sabre rattleling. Of course, an Iranian Pop Freedom Part II CD would follow replete with new pro US videos, new pop music and.... new information on how to celebrate freedom in Iran- and not get caught.

Anthony60 said:
Or maybe, "Sorry, your billions got held up for a few weeks. Care to show anymore photos?" But no, nothing like that will happen.
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That would be good to. But, I would mix that with Iranian pop culture / love the US propaganda / cool info on avoiding censorship CDs turning up all over Iran.
 
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BrewerBob said:
Maybe he is thinking about his parents, or wife, or children. Maybe he is thinking about the turmoil his family must be going threw or how his children may have to grow up without a father. I can think of all manner of completely understandable reasons he might be tearing up.

And yeah, if you have never had to put your own life or freedom on the line like that then your negative opinions of the man ain't worth crap.
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That's the only photo I've seen, are there others that show him crying? I just see a guy with a towel on his face.
 
Cryptic said:
The "best" way to show weakness would be to over react. Actually..... I would retaliate:

I would release a video with Iranian music showing Iranian civilians overcome with emotion when they become US citizens, or when their asylum applications are approved. Add some sublte anti regime commentary, then mix it with popular Iranian pop music videos. Produce several hundred thousand cheap CDs, and introduce them into mom and pop stores in Turkey, Dubai and Azerbaijan (all places where Iranians shop).

This will probably have far more impact than sabre rattleling. Especially if at the end of the video, the Iranians get neat information on how to avoid regime inter net blocking etc. Of course, an Iranian Pop Freedom Part II CD would follow replete with new videos, new pop music and.... new information on how to screw with the mullahs- and not get caught.
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I agree not to over react is best, and I really like your idea of the video - at the risk of starting / continuing a propaganda war. But just the idea that Iran thinks they can get away with sort of ****, well, it pisses me off. It pisses me off that the US is now perceived in such a manner, and not respected as it should be.
 
Anthony60 said:
That's the only photo I've seen, are there others that show him crying? I just see a guy with a towel on his face.
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Well, if you follow the link in the OP it has a few more pictures of the guy, including him looking like he has red, puffy eyes. It does look like he was crying, but it COULD be irritation or something.
 
Blue_State said:
Isn't this a US Sailor and not a US Marine?
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No those are US marine uniforms. But there's been a lot of discussion about some of the details. Why no high and tights? why were the boats clad in cammo? The word is that this was a part (maybe diversionary) of a special forces mission.
 
eohrnberger said:
I agree not to over react is best, and I really like your idea of the video - at the risk of starting / continuing a propaganda war. But just the idea that Iran thinks they can get away with sort of ****, well, it pisses me off. It pisses me off that the US is now perceived in such a manner, and not respected as it should be.
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I think the video CD would put them over a barrell as they have far more to lose in a propaganda war than we do. Maybe after the release of "Celebrate Freedom I" I would then ask for an apology (however muted and token one would be) for the crying sailor video.

If the Iranians dont give one, then Celebrate Freedom II, featuring the latest Iranian music hits, Love feedom commentaries in perfect Farsi, and neat tips on avoiding censorship and tracking software while blogging, emailing, and chatting etc. will be hitting the streets of Iran in a few months.

Soho gator said:
No those are US marine uniforms. But there's been a lot of discussion about some of the details. Why no high and tights? why were the boats clad in cammo? The word is that this was a part (maybe diversionary) of a special forces mission.
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Some navy units (shore patrol) wear pieces of Marine uniforms.
 
Kobie said:
When has the U.S. EVER militarily retaliated for something like this?
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You're right. Let's just wait for Kerry to APOLOGIZE to Iran for this. when has the U.S. ever done that? very recently
 
JoeTrumps said:
You're right. Let's just wait for Kerry to APOLOGIZE to Iran for this. when has the U.S. ever done that? very recently
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Have we ever apologized for Operation AJAX and the Shah?

No we haven't. We may have apologized for blowing their civilian passenger jet out of the sky. Not sure.
 
Soho gator said:
No those are US marine uniforms. But there's been a lot of discussion about some of the details. Why no high and tights? why were the boats clad in cammo? The word is that this was a part (maybe diversionary) of a special forces mission.
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Every report I have seen is reporting sailors, not marines. The commander of the mission is a US Navy grad and he is under the US Navy (not because he is a US Navy Grad, but because he is a US Naval Officer and not assigned under the US Marine Corps).

A Navy commander who was taken into custody by Iran with 10 other American sailors on Tuesday — and who appeared on a video apologizing for straying into Iranian waters — graduated from the U.S. Naval Academy in 2011, academy officials confirmed.
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Darlene Nartker said her son always wanted to be in the Navy.
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Navy commander in Iran incident graduated from Naval Academy - Capital Gazette

A quick search under wikipedia also shows that camo pattern as part of the US Navy. It would not be shocking that US Marines and US Navy would have the same Battle Dress Uniforms since they are use the same supply chain.
 
Soho gator said:
Good god these are marines. What the hell are they doing crying? I get that they were worried and maybe afraid but they weren't so much as touched. Name rank and serial #. I suspect there are going to be some disciplinarian actions taken by the USNC.

Troubling
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When and where did you serve again?



Seems to me, the prospect of being held indefinitely in iran, where we know this administration has historically abandoned hostages, could be an emotional time.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Translation: I didn't vote for Obama, he won anyway, he's not doing things the way I would like... He should resign.
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Its OK, because Obama will secure Trumps victory, who I will be voting for. Then you can start saying "omg impeach Trump!" on DP. Lmao.
 
JoeTrumps said:
Our new friends, America! the ones we just handed billions of dollars too and gave a sweetheart nuclear deal.

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Iran releases new photos of U.S. sailors crying - POLITICO

wow, in these times, to have Obama and Kerry running the show........just scary. Allowing, justifying(then blaming the GOP for finger pointing) for events like this has become "business as usual."
They are complicit in this heinous display of America's front line.
They should both resign immediately.
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That's a war crime.



Art 13. Prisoners of war must at all times be humanely treated. Any unlawful act or omission by the Detaining Power causing death or seriously endangering the health of a prisoner of war in its custody is prohibited, and will be regarded as a serious breach of the present Convention. In particular, no prisoner of war may be subjected to physical mutilation or to medical or scientific experiments of any kind which are not justified by the medical, dental or hospital treatment of the prisoner concerned and carried out in his interest.

Likewise, prisoners of war must at all times be protected, particularly against acts of violence or intimidation and against insults and public curiosity.

Measures of reprisal against prisoners of war are prohibited.


https://www.icrc.org/applic/ihl/ihl...6739003e636b/6fef854a3517b75ac125641e004a9e68
 
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Soho gator said:
Again this isn't a coastguard guy. It's a battle hardened marine who was treated well and given a nice dinner. Seals or rangers or green Berets or any other Marine wouldn't respond like this. This guy is probably a great person and I respect his service but he shouldn't be forward deployed.

In any event getting all upset with Iran in this incident is silly.
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Well good to know your a war crimes apologist as well as an apologist for one of the most despotic regimes on earth.
 
Soho gator said:
Again this isn't a coastguard guy. It's a battle hardened marine who was treated well and given a nice dinner. Seals or rangers or green Berets or any other Marine wouldn't respond like this. This guy is probably a great person and I respect his service but he shouldn't be forward deployed.

In any event getting all upset with Iran in this incident is silly.
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How do you know they didn't make him watch marley and me or old yeller?
 
By a still picture alone I can't tell whether he was crying or just bored. When I got bored waiting for hours for the doctor to see me I did the same too. I've seen videos of Coptic Christians lining up to be beheaded, they were all calm as cucumbers. Many other beheading videos elsewhere that I'd seen were same too. I couldn't imagine the peaceful courage they possessed while facing a gruesome death.
 
dolphinocean said:
By a still picture alone I can't tell whether he was crying or just bored. When I got bored waiting for hours for the doctor to see me I did the same too. I've seen videos of Coptic Christians lining up to be beheaded, they were all calm as cucumbers. Many other beheading videos elsewhere that I'd seen were same too. I couldn't imagine the peaceful courage they possessed while facing a gruesome death.
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Maybe he was a vegan and was distressed by the prospect of some excellent kabobs and rice.
 
They might have pepper sprayed him in the face before the taping.
 
BrewerBob said:
No, he isn't a "battle hardened Marine". He is a sailor. And even the battle hardened can get emotional when it comes to thoughts of family. If you have ever been deployed overseas then you know that to be true. Hell, I have even seen letters make a man break down. He still kicked ass at his job.
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Far to many have no freaking idea of what it is like.
Love this song, about sums it up.

 
Soho gator said:
Again this isn't a coastguard guy. It's a battle hardened marine who was treated well and given a nice dinner. Seals or rangers or green Berets or any other Marine wouldn't respond like this. This guy is probably a great person and I respect his service but he shouldn't be forward deployed.

In any event getting all upset with Iran in this incident is silly.
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You have no idea or experience to back that up. None, Nada, Zilch. The limited knowledge you have of Soldiers deployed in all likelihood came from movies.
 
lol was is it with Navy boys and Iran? I remember when they captured some of our sailors a few years back and they were all crying and bleating on state TV whilst enjoying some nice food and new suits...
 
eohrnberger said:
I agree not to over react is best, and I really like your idea of the video - at the risk of starting / continuing a propaganda war. But just the idea that Iran thinks they can get away with sort of ****, well, it pisses me off. It pisses me off that the US is now perceived in such a manner, and not respected as it should be.
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Respected or feared?
 
Cryptic said:
I think the video CD would put them over a barrell as they have far more to lose in a propaganda war than we do. Maybe after the release of "Celebrate Freedom I" I would then ask for an apology (however muted and token one would be) for the crying sailor video.

If the Iranians dont give one, then Celebrate Freedom II, featuring the latest Iranian music hits, Love feedom commentaries in perfect Farsi, and neat tips on avoiding censorship and tracking software while blogging, emailing, and chatting etc. will be hitting the streets of Iran in a few months.


Some navy units (shore patrol) wear pieces of Marine uniforms.
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I think the CD is a great idea.
 
eohrnberger said:
I thought were was some sort of international agreement or treaty or something that prevented captured soldiers from being paraded around as propaganda material.
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There is. The Khomeinist curs who rule Iran have been war criminals from the start. If Ronald Reagan or John Kennedy had been President instead of Limpwrist, these bastards would never have dared do anything like this. I suspect B. Hussein gets a secret thrill out of watching the U.S. humiliated by Islamist savages--they probably remind him of his father.
 
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