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Obama proposes a record 4.1 trillion dollar Budget

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For those who are taking victory laps over Obama cutting the deficit in half down to still record high deficits here is another indication that Obama doesn't care about the deficit, doesn't believe the economy is as strong as supporters want to believe, and continues to promote his European style socialist economic model

Obama sends Congress record $4.1T budget plan | Fox News
 
For those who are taking victory laps over Obama cutting the deficit in half down to still record high deficits here is another indication that Obama doesn't care about the deficit, doesn't believe the economy is as strong as supporters want to believe, and continues to promote his European style socialist economic model

Obama sends Congress record $4.1T budget plan | Fox News
You beat me to it by 1 minute.:lol:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...6377-obama-presents-2017-budget-congress.html
 
For those who are taking victory laps over Obama cutting the deficit in half down to still record high deficits here is another indication that Obama doesn't care about the deficit

The deficit as a percentage of GDP is down by 75% under Obummer.

Since 2011, the Congress has authorized one percent less in spending than the president has requested, while responsible management by the administration has reduced actual expenditures by an additional five percent.

Federal outlays over the past seven years under the Negro are up by only 4.8%. Now that the economy has recovered from a second GOP SSE Great Recession, it's only prudent that we again make smart investments in America's future, targeting education, research, and infrastructure.

SSE policies applied under Reagan and Bush43 are responsible for the large national debt piled up over the past thirty years. If you want to avoid that and vote for another GOP candidate for POTUS, you have one viable choice — John Kasich of Ohio.

Regarding the OP's claim of "still record high deficits," the shortfall last year was $439 billion, while the record was 43's $1.412 trillion.
 
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The deficit as a percentage of GDP is down by 75% under Obummer.

Since 2011, the Congress has authorized one percent less in spending than the president has requested, while responsible management by the administration has reduced actual expenditures by an additional five percent.

Federal outlays over the past seven years under the Negro are up by 4.8%. Now that the economy has recovered from a second GOP SSE Great Recession, it's only prudent that we again make smart investments in America's future, targeting education, research, and infrastructure.

SSE policies applied under Reagan and Bush43 are responsible for the large national debt piled up over the past thirty years. If you want to avoid that and vote for another GOP candidate for POTUS, you have one viable choice — John Kasich of Ohio.

I understand you don't understand the economy at all but debt as a percentage of GDP now exceeds 100% and we don't have a European economy yet where govt. spending is the largest GDP component. I suggest you learn about our private sector economy, read a history book about what our Founders created, and stop carrying the water for socialism and conversion to the European economy

Not going over this with you again because you have a very selective memory, but the Reagan and Bush debt were well under 100% of GDP and their spending was for the private sector not the supporters of the Democratic Party.
 
For those liberals here touting debt as a percentage of GDP I will remind you that the taxpayers pay debt service on the debt not the percentage of GDP and when you have an 18 trillion dollar economy it doesn't serve the country well to continue to add to that debt, see interest rates rise thus paying more debt service and then touting a lower deficit to GDP ratio? That is typical liberal logic and defies basic common sense.
 
The deficit as a percentage of GDP is down by 75% under Obummer.

Since 2011, the Congress has authorized one percent less in spending than the president has requested, while responsible management by the administration has reduced actual expenditures by an additional five percent.

Federal outlays over the past seven years under the Negro are up by only 4.8%. Now that the economy has recovered from a second GOP SSE Great Recession, it's only prudent that we again make smart investments in America's future, targeting education, research, and infrastructure.

SSE policies applied under Reagan and Bush43 are responsible for the large national debt piled up over the past thirty years. If you want to avoid that and vote for another GOP candidate for POTUS, you have one viable choice — John Kasich of Ohio.

Regarding the OP's claim of "still record high deficits," the shortfall last year was $439 billion, while the record was 43's $1.412 trillion.

Citations please. Back it up.
 
I like the plan. Just spend and let someone else worry about paying it back. I will go out and get as many loans as possible and then run all my credit cards to the max then hand them to my children. What a legacy.

Come on now. Who was dumb enough to think Obama was even trying to balance the budget. He has been to busy trying to restrict our rights. Hilary will be even worse. Anyone that thinks King Obama attacked our rights just wait until Queen Hillary attacks them. We will have to go to England to purchase a gun. That will be if we can afford it after paying all the taxes for an even bigger over bloated government.
 
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The deficit as a percentage of GDP is down by 75% under Obummer.

Since 2011, the Congress has authorized one percent less in spending than the president has requested, while responsible management by the administration has reduced actual expenditures by an additional five percent.

Federal outlays over the past seven years under the Negro are up by only 4.8%. Now that the economy has recovered from a second GOP SSE Great Recession, it's only prudent that we again make smart investments in America's future, targeting education, research, and infrastructure.

SSE policies applied under Reagan and Bush43 are responsible for the large national debt piled up over the past thirty years. If you want to avoid that and vote for another GOP candidate for POTUS, you have one viable choice — John Kasich of Ohio.

Regarding the OP's claim of "still record high deficits," the shortfall last year was $439 billion, while the record was 43's $1.412 trillion.

Actually W's budget was only a $407 billion deficit it's was the financial collapse and bailout spending that caused the 1.4 trillion while he was out of office
 
Citations please. Back it up.

When a liberal is backed into the corner they pull out the percentage number not realizing that only sells to the low information voters. We currently have an 18 trillion dollar economy and a 19 trillion dollar debt. Liberals love to point to the lower percentage deficit to GDP ignoring the amount of that deficit and how much more has been added to the debt thus increasing the debt service.

Reagan added 1.7 trillion to the debt in 8 years which is 200 plus billion a year and here we are seeing liberals bashing Reagan for that deficit per year and cheerleading Obama for 400 plus billion with a Republican Congress ignoring the trillion dollar deficits with total control of the Congress. Liberal logic??
 
I like the plan. Just spend and let someone else worry about paying it back. I will go out and get as many loans as possible and then run all my credit cards to the max then hand them to my children. What a legacy.

Come on now. Who was dumb enough to think Obama was even trying to balance the budget. He has been to busy trying to restrict our rights. Hilary will be even worse. Anyone that thinks King Obama attacked our rights just wait until Queen Hillary attacks them. We will have to go to England to purchase a gun. That will be if we can afford it after paying all the taxes for an even bigger over bloated government.

Gun rights expanded under the Obama administration. They did not contract. Just wanted to point that out.
 
For those who are taking victory laps over Obama cutting the deficit in half down to still record high deficits here is another indication that Obama doesn't care about the deficit, doesn't believe the economy is as strong as supporters want to believe, and continues to promote his European style socialist economic model

Obama sends Congress record $4.1T budget plan | Fox News

I suspect what we're seeing is the President finally realizing he must start from a farther position when initially entering negotiations, rather than starting on the other guy's side!

It only took him 7 freakin' years! :doh

I read one of his books, and I believe he didn't drive much in his teens or as a young man. It shows. He previously negotiated like a guy that never bought a car! :mrgreen:
 
Gun rights expanded under the Obama administration. They did not contract. Just wanted to point that out.

Because a lot of BS laws got smacked down by common sense Judges...................not Odumbo.
 
Citations please. Back it up.

I have just a couple of citations.

The current deficit to GDP ratio for the United States is 74.4%. In contrast, Germany has a ration of 74.3%. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2186rank.html

Deficits fell at the fastest rate in 60 years - a statement from Obama rated as "True" by Politifact.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...a-says-deficit-falling-fastest-rate-60-years/

"In 2009, the first year of Obama’s presidency, after tax cuts and new spending, the deficit was 10.1 percent of GDP. In 2012, the deficit declined to 7 percent of GDP. So that’s a decline of 3.1 percentage points."
 
I understand you don't understand the economy at all but debt as a percentage of GDP now exceeds 100%

Yes, and the SSE policies you support put it there.

>>I suggest you learn about our private sector economy, read a history book about what our Founders created, and stop carrying the water for socialism and conversion to the European economy

I can't offer my suggestion for what you should do, not in mixed company at least.

>>Not going over this with you again because you have a very selective memory

You keep on saying that, but never follow through by actually keeping yer mouth shut.

>>the Reagan and Bush debt were well under 100% of GDP

Reagan brought the debt as a percentage of GDP from 31% to 50%, and handed his unfortunate successor a mess that drove it up to 61%. Clinton brought it back down to 55%, and 43 then drove it 77%.

Obummer inherited an economy that was teetering on the verge of a worldwide depression. He was forced to cut taxes and wait for businesses and consumers to regain confidence. That drove the ratio up over 100%. It's now 100.5, and down from 100.8 at the end of 2012.

>>their spending was for the private sector not the supporters of the Democratic Party.

Reagan spent extravagantly on the defence industries, which appears to have had the welcome effect of frightening the Soviet leadership and driving the final nail in the coffin of that brutal regime. Reagan and 43 both shoveled hundreds of trillions of dollars at wealthy households, which had no productive impact on the economy, but rather helped lead to today's grotesque and highly dysfunctional income and wealth inequality.

taxpayers pay debt service on the debt not the percentage of GDP

GDP provides the resources needed to pay debt interest, which is now back to pre-Reagan levels

debt_interest_as_perc_GDP.jpg

Citations please. Back it up.

A completely legitimate request, but Conservative has caused me burn on that. Refute it if you can.

Actually W's budget was only a $407 billion deficit it's was the financial collapse and bailout spending that caused the 1.4 trillion while he was out of office

That Feb 2008 budget became outdated very quickly. In Jan 2009, CBO projected a $1.2 trillion shortfall. The Negro added another $200 billion in the ARRA, to which CBO attributes five million jobs. Tbh, I suppose I'm just confirming yer thoughts.

When a liberal is backed into the corner they pull out the percentage number not realizing that only sells to the low information voters.

When someone who doesn't understand simple arithmetic ignores the fact that bills are paid with funds currently available, that person's views should be appropriately discounted.

>>Liberals love to point to the lower percentage deficit to GDP ignoring the amount of that deficit and how much more has been added to the debt thus increasing the debt service.

Liberals and others sadly point to the causes of the large national debt and hope the electorate has learned its lesson regarding presidential candidates who ardently propose another application of SSE policies.

>>Reagan added 1.7 trillion to the debt in 8 years which is 200 plus billion a year

Reagan increased he debt as a percentage of GDP by 61%, and left 41 with a mess that drove that figure up to 97%.

>>Liberal logic??

No, simple reality. Yer confusion is apparently the result of reactionary illogic.
 
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Because a lot of BS laws got smacked down by common sense Judges...................not Odumbo.

No, you could attribute the expansion to a rider attached by a Republican senator if you wish, but Obama signed a law that allowed guns into federal parks and lands. This was a repeal of a limitation put into place during Reagan.
 
I suspect what we're seeing is the President finally realizing he must start from a farther position when initially entering negotiations, rather than starting on the other guy's side!

It only took him 7 freakin' years! :doh

I read one of his books, and I believe he didn't drive much in his teens or as a young man. It shows. He previously negotiated like a guy that never bought a car! :mrgreen:

He is the most inexperienced guy ever to hold the office and his empty resume was a white board that people could make him to be whatever they wanted him to be. We see a college professor using professor techniques to lead a private sector economy and that is a disaster
 
I have just a couple of citations.

The current deficit to GDP ratio for the United States is 74.4%. In contrast, Germany has a ration of 74.3%. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2186rank.html

Deficits fell at the fastest rate in 60 years - a statement from Obama rated as "True" by Politifact.
Obama says deficit is falling at the fastest rate in 60 years | PolitiFact

"In 2009, the first year of Obama’s presidency, after tax cuts and new spending, the deficit was 10.1 percent of GDP. In 2012, the deficit declined to 7 percent of GDP. So that’s a decline of 3.1 percentage points."

Mr. T, we aren't Germany and we don't spend over 50% of our GDP by the govt. We are a private sector economy that has recovered from the world recession in spite of Obama and because of our private sector, something the left wants to ignore
 
He is the most inexperienced guy ever to hold the office and his empty resume was a white board that people could make him to be whatever they wanted him to be. We see a college professor using professor techniques to lead a private sector economy and that is a disaster

Meanwhile Trump, who has never held public office, has soared to the head of the Republican pack on the back of claims like the one where he claims that he will be the best negotiator, the best against terrorism, the best at trade deals, the best with blacks and hispanics.
 
The current deficit to GDP ratio for the United States is 74.4%. In contrast, Germany has a ration of 74.3%.

I expect that's not total debt, but rather the subtotal of debt held by the public. Iow, it leaves out intergovernmental debt, money we owe ourselves, which is principally treasury bonds held by the Social Security Trust Fund.
 
I don't think you have that correct, the debt and deficit are different things

What he is doing is taking PUBLIC Debt, not total Debt as a percentage of GDP. We pay debt service on TOTAL debt and that is 19 trillion dollars on an 18 trillion dollar economy
 
Meanwhile Trump, who has never held public office, has soared to the head of the Republican pack on the back of claims like the one where he claims that he will be the best negotiator, the best against terrorism, the best at trade deals, the best with blacks and hispanics.

That is my point we have enough public servants that never balanced a budget, never hired anyone, never worked in the private sector being the executive of the United States. Obama with his resume wouldn't have secured a middle management position let alone CEO
 
No, you could attribute the expansion to a rider attached by a Republican senator if you wish, but Obama signed a law that allowed guns into federal parks and lands. This was a repeal of a limitation put into place during Reagan.

No......Congress did, and Obama knew the courts were in line with LaPierre & Congress.
 
What he is doing is taking PUBLIC Debt, not total Debt as a percentage of GDP. We pay debt service on TOTAL debt and that is 19 trillion dollars on an 18 trillion dollar economy

Roughly 2/3rds of which we owe to ourselves.
 
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