UN panel 'rules in Julian Assange's favour'

Thoreau72 said:

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You support government secrecy and criminality, I oppose it. ....

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I am afraid that that is a level of discussion I do not want to participate in. So, have a nice day.

joG said:

I am afraid that that is a level of discussion I do not want to participate in. So, have a nice day.

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I understand. The truth can be brutal sometimes.

Eric7216 said:

Not sure how this is relevant. Article II of the UN charter recognizes "1.The Organization is based on the principle of the sovereign equality of all its Members." If UK has sovereign equality they should have the right to write laws as they wish. Does a "UN panel" (whatever that is) have any legal standing? Doesn't the UN and other international bodies have other institutions that do have some legal standing, besides a "UN panel"?

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International law is composed of treaties, declarations, and standards which have been agreed to or adopted by signatory sovereign states of member states of international governmental and private organizations. It can be complicated when the laws and protocols of individual countries might be different from each other and have too find common ground. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) which proscribes Arbitrary Detention (Article 9), sets out fundamental human rights to be universally protected. It was proclaimed by the United Nations General Assembly in Paris on 10 December 1948. It is not a statute but it is international law in the sense that it embodies international agreement by member states of the United Nations and it deals with the laws in place in the countries the Working Group investigates, such as the Swedes issuing an Arrest Warrant merely for someone to answer questions from cops, or the English honoring such a bogus warrant. Both the Swedes and the English have 90 days to explain themselves and they can ask for an extension if they need more time to draft a reply or think up an excuse for the inexcusable. About half the cases found by the Working Group on Arbitrary Detention to have violated the human rights of individuals around the world are ignored by the perpetrators. The English and Swedes are in some nasty company.
http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Publications/FactSheet26en.pdf

Thoreau72 said:

Actions speak louder than words. The Swedish action in this affair is all about pleasing the government in Washington. The fact is that the first and senior prosecutor in this case declared it to be without merit and dismissed it.

Why was it subsequently resurrected, and then not followed through upon? There is a reason for that, and it is NOT the seeking of justice. It is political favors, requested by Washington.

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Not so. As I previously posted the two complainants, well-known radical feminists, went to a friend, also a high-profile feminist, who was and still is the prosecutor in Göteborg. It was she who issued the EAW. The Swedish government had nothing to do with it.

You make an assumption and state it as fact. Unwise. A guess is just a guess, especially when it is not well informed.

Sweden said:

Not so. As I previously posted the two complainants, well-known radical feminists, went to a friend, also a high-profile feminist, who was and still is the prosecutor in Göteborg. It was she who issued the EAW. The Swedish government had nothing to do with it.

You make an assumption and state it as fact. Unwise. A guess is just a guess, especially when it is not well informed.

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My guess is as right as yours, or as wrong. And my guess is informed, and my guess favors that quaint notion of "presumption of innocence", if you know what I mean.

Neither Assange nor Snowden has committed any crime in the traditional sense of the word, they have shown courage in exposing the crimes of government. You've chosen a rather ludicrous position, defending government usurpations and abuses.

I assume Sweden is a member of NATO, am I right or wrong?

Thoreau72 said:

My guess is as right as yours, or as wrong. And my guess is informed, and my guess favors that quaint notion of "presumption of innocence", if you know what I mean.

Neither Assange nor Snowden has committed any crime in the traditional sense of the word, they have shown courage in exposing the crimes of government. You've chosen a rather ludicrous position, defending government usurpations and abuses.

I assume Sweden is a member of NATO, am I right or wrong?

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Sweden is not a member of NATO.

RetiredUSN said:

Sweden is not a member of NATO.

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Thanks. They have beautiful women but they are a bit strange. I read the Girl With Dragon Tatoo series, and the strange machinations of their police system remind me of this Assange thing. It is so contrived.

PeteEU said:

Incoming UN hate talk, bla bla bla.

Sweden should send their prosecutor to the embassy to interview him, like they have done in almost every other case.

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UN can suck the world's ass. Is that what you were looking for?

Thoreau72 said:

My guess is as right as yours, or as wrong. And my guess is informed, and my guess favors that quaint notion of "presumption of innocence", if you know what I mean.

Neither Assange nor Snowden has committed any crime in the traditional sense of the word, they have shown courage in exposing the crimes of government. You've chosen a rather ludicrous position, defending government usurpations and abuses.

I assume Sweden is a member of NATO, am I right or wrong?

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Wrong. Sweden is not a member of NATO. "I assume" - making further assumptions about a country which you know nothing about is a bad idea.

This thread is about the possibility of charges being brought against Assange for 'rape' in Sweden. Not about Wikileaks, still less about Snowden.
"Presumption of innocence": Correct. In my opinion (which is just that, an opinion) the probability that Assagnge did not rape anyone in Sweden is very high. Assange has not even been charged with any offence which is why, imo, it was very wrong for the prosecutor to issue a warrant for his arrest. Once issued the British Courts had no alternative under EU law (which takes precedence over English law) but to enforce it.

When I make guesses I say so. I do not present them as fact. And I avoid claiming superior insight into topics where I am uninformed.

Thoreau72 said:

Thanks. They have beautiful women but they are a bit strange. I read the Girl With Dragon Tatoo series, and the strange machinations of their police system remind me of this Assange thing. It is so contrived.

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If you derive your understanding of other countries from fiction no wonder you are so confused. Why not admit it: your posts are about conclusions you have jumped to based entirely on ill-informed speculation.

Sweden said:

Wrong. Sweden is not a member of NATO. "I assume" - making further assumptions about a country which you know nothing about is a bad idea.

This thread is about the possibility of charges being brought against Assange for 'rape' in Sweden. Not about Wikileaks, still less about Snowden.
"Presumption of innocence": Correct. In my opinion (which is just that, an opinion) the probability that Assagnge did not rape anyone in Sweden is very high. Assange has not even been charged with any offence which is why, imo, it was very wrong for the prosecutor to issue a warrant for his arrest. Once issued the British Courts had no alternative under EU law (which takes precedence over English law) but to enforce it.

When I make guesses I say so. I do not present them as fact. And I avoid claiming superior insight into topics where I am uninformed.

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Gosh, you're my hero!

Thanks for your "input" regarding the NATO status of Sweden, but the post 3 before yours already answered my question. Yesterday just before your post, I learned (as I had suspected) that for whatever reason, Sweden decided not to join NATO.

Maybe if you were paying more attention to this thread, you would have noticed that I asked, not assumed, about the NATO status of Sweden. Ask, and ye shall receive, even as the pompous will carry on about their awesome powers.