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You failed to admit that the withdrawal was a continuation of Bush's policy.
No, it wasn't. The Bush Administration certainly expected troops to remain. You should familiarize yourself with the subject before commenting, or at least quote the former President.
You fail to address the fact that we were ordered out by a democratically elected government.
Ordered out? Obama wanted to end the war before anyone was ever 'ordered out'.
You fail to address the utter lack of domestic support for what would basically have been a re-invasion of our troops. And there's no support now, either, outside of right-wing fever camps. Fortunately.
Other than that, great response. :roll:
I agree that there was eventually a lack of domestic support and the Islamists know this as well. So the US is losing militarily and psychologically as well. They have been 'dumbed down' to the lowest level in their history.
You failed to answer my question: what concrete policies should be introduced into Syria that are not in place now? I'm not surprised you refuse to answer the question. Neither can the Republican presidential candidates. Or haven't you noticed?
You want me to establish policies in Syria right now? I don't have access to military advice and logistics as to whats going on there. You should be looking to Barnie Sanders or Hillary Clinton for their suggestions.
 
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No, it wasn't. The Bush Administration certainly expected troops to remain. You should familiarize yourself with the subject before commenting, or at least quote the former President.
Let's see who's familiar with the subject and who isn't:

The Bush Administration later sought an agreement with the Iraqi government, and in 2008 George W. Bush signed the U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement. It included a deadline of 31 December 2011, before which "all the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory.
Read the Bush White House's own words: President Bush and Iraq Prime Minister Maliki Sign the Strategic Framework Agreement and Security Agreement

So I'd say you aren't real familiar with this subject. But that doesn't stop people like you from making all kinds of comments and criticisms. Ha. And you don't even know the basics.

I agree that there was eventually a lack of domestic support and the Islamists know this as well. So the US is losing militarily and psychologically as well. They have been 'dumbed down' to the lowest level in their history.
What was dumb was invading Iraq in the first place and then expecting democracy to flourish in a nation that had no democratic legacy, no sense of national identity and was torn three ways by their Sunnis, Shias and Kurds. Yeah, just eliminate the existing ruling power, fire the entire Iraqi army and send the now unemployed former soldiers home with their weapons, fire the entire Sunni bureaucracy which destroyed the entire government as an institution, and then stand back and expect the best. JEEZE. Bush the Elder knew better, but his dumb son didn't.

You want me to establish policies in Syria right now? I don't have access to military advice and logistics as to whats going on there. You should be looking to Barnie Sanders or Hillary Clinton for their suggestions.
No, I'd like the people with all the complaints to offer alternatives. Like you. Or Trump. Or Cruz. Or the Marcobot. Criticisms are cheap. And easy. And they play well to dumb audiences. Specific, realistic policy alternatives? Not so easy.
 
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Let's see who's familiar with the subject and who isn't: Read the Bush White House's own words: President Bush and Iraq Prime Minister Maliki Sign the Strategic Framework Agreement and Security Agreement So I'd say you aren't real familiar with this subject. But that doesn't stop people like you from making all kinds of comments and criticisms. Ha. And you don't even know the basics.
It seems clear you haven't read your own link or don;t understand what a SOFA is. Bush negotiated a SOFA with Malaki just as Obama should have done, but Obama preferred to withdraw the troops and 'end the war'. Do you feel Obama ended the war?

What was dumb was invading Iraq in the first place and then expecting democracy to flourish
It has happened before, and the Iraqi people were very proud they had a chance to vote, despite terrorist threats. In fact they had a better voter turnout than they do in US elections.

n a nation that had no democratic legacy, no sense of national identity and was torn three ways by their Sunnis, Shias and Kurds. Yeah, just eliminate the existing ruling power, fire the entire Iraqi army and send the now unemployed former soldiers home with their weapons, fire the entire Sunni bureaucracy which destroyed the entire government as an institution, and then stand back and expect the best.
That's just a hodgepodge of vagueness. Get specific on an issue.
JEEZE. Bush the Elder knew better, but his dumb son didn't.
So you supported the genocide, rape rooms, mass graves, etc.? Not too many who will admit that.
 
It seems clear you haven't read your own link or don;t understand what a SOFA is. Bush negotiated a SOFA with Malaki just as Obama should have done, but Obama preferred to withdraw the troops and 'end the war'. Do you feel Obama ended the war?
Oops! Sorry! I neglected to do ALL of your research for you! My bad! What I neglected to spell out for you is that the SOFA said: “All the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory no later than December 31, 2011.”
Is that clear enough for you? Or do you need the original signed agreement delivered to your doorstep by George W Bush himself? If he can take time away from his finger-painting?

It has happened before, and the Iraqi people were very proud they had a chance to vote, despite terrorist threats. In fact they had a better voter turnout than they do in US elections.

Yeah! It was great! The Sunnis voted for Sunnis, the Shia voted for Shiites, and Kurds voted for Kurds! Then what? ....oops...

That's just a hodgepodge of vagueness. Get specific on an issue.
The invasion of Iraq was the biggest foreign policy disaster since Vietnam. Specific enough for you?

So you supported the genocide, rape rooms, mass graves, etc.? Not too many who will admit that.
Oh, so you want the U.S. to play world policeman. So you want to fly US troops to stop atrocities in Southern Sudan? The Central African Republic? And you'd fully support President Obama or President Hillary Clinton to send our troops there? Fascinating.
 
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Here's a quick run-down of various conflicts that Grant apparently wants the US to rush troops to:

Global Conflict Tracker
 
Oops! Sorry! I neglected to do ALL of your research for you! My bad! What I neglected to spell out for you is that the SOFA said: “All the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory no later than December 31, 2011.”
That's correct. All SOFA agreements, and there are dozens of them throughout the world, have expiration dates. That's because situations change in times of war and new Administrations may have different policies. Barrack Obama, like his predecessor, was expected to negotiate a new SOFA before that Sofa expired.
Is that clear enough for you? Or do you need the original signed agreement delivered to your doorstep by George W Bush himself? If he can take time away from his finger-painting?
Is this juvenile riposte intended to be clever? If you're not an adult of at least 21 years you should issue a warning to other posters.
Yeah! It was great! The Sunnis voted for Sunnis, the Shia voted for Shiites, and Kurds voted for Kurds! Then what? ....oops...
Then they formed a government. What did you expect?
The invasion of Iraq was the biggest foreign policy disaster since Vietnam. Specific enough for you?
Yes, for some reason many leftists seem comfortable with murderous dictators creating genocide and mass graves throughout the world. Supporters of Saddam Hussein are no different than the supporters of Stalin, Pol Pot, Castro, Hitler, and the list goes on.
Oh, so you want the U.S. to play world policeman. So you want to fly US troops to stop atrocities in Southern Sudan? The Central African Republic? And you'd fully support President Obama or President Hillary Clinton to send our troops there? Fascinating.
Liberals are really stupid.
 
In 2008 George W Bush signed a status of forces that promised that "all the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory" by December 31, 2011, and US forces were to be out of all major Iraqi cities by the summer of 2009. Did you want the US to just ignore this agreement?

No he didn't that SOFA only related to combat forces. US soldiers would have remained in a training and support rolls.
 
Is this juvenile riposte intended to be clever? If you're not an adult of at least 21 years you should issue a warning to other posters.
Liberals are really stupid.

No wonder conservatives love Donald Trump. He argues just like they do.
 
That's correct. All SOFA agreements, and there are dozens of them throughout the world, have expiration dates. That's because situations change in times of war and new Administrations may have different policies. Barrack Obama, like his predecessor, was expected to negotiate a new SOFA before that Sofa expired.

Wow, the world expert on SOFA (who, oddly, never seems able to post references to his claims, like "All SOFA agreements" have dates which state when US troops are to be out of the country.
And he is an expert on the expectations of all future presidents, too (unless he can point to some reference somewhere where this "expectation" was officially documented).

What date are we "expected" to leave South Korea? Japan? Germany? Waiting...
 
Wow, the world expert on SOFA (who, oddly, never seems able to post references to his claims, like "All SOFA agreements" have dates which state when US troops are to be out of the country.
And he is an expert on the expectations of all future presidents, too (unless he can point to some reference somewhere where this "expectation" was officially documented).

What date are we "expected" to leave South Korea? Japan? Germany? Waiting...
No need to wait for me to educate you, and you should really educate yourself. All you need to do is Google the SOFA agreements for any country where any US troops are stationed.
 
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