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Lavoy Finicum's Family Calls Death "Unjustified," Says FBI Covering Up Real Story

Fletch said:
If I have a 'complex' it is one that impels me to reply to bone-headed bait threads. I will have to work on that.
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What you really need to work on is blundering in on a subject only to get your clock cleaned.
 
digitusmedius said:
LaVoy Finicum's family calls death 'unjustified,' says FBI covering up real story | OregonLive.com

This is fascinating. We watched this false meme starting to develop right here (and all over the internet one bets) after a day or two as it took the rightwing puke-o-sphere that long to concoct this absurd interpretation of what we can all clearly see happening on the video.

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Yes, "further viewing" being the euphemism for making **** up. Remember Shawna Cox's first account? It was that Finicum was shot immediately on leaving the truck and yet quite spryly was able to move a good thirty feet further without the slightest sign of injury. He was such a superman that even when he stopped walking (and was presumably being filled with lead) he was able to make two very quick movements to the inside of his jacket then wheel quickly to face the OSP officer coming up behind him. We don't have the official autopsy report yet but we already know that the bundyistas will claim there were actually ten wounds to every one that the autopsy documented.



At least they use the word "believe" instead of see or know. Belief over reality is the only way anyone could come up with this bull ****. But it is fascinating to witness how devoted the rightwing is to the lie, no matter what the situation. And the preposterousness of the lie is no barrier. In fact, the more idiotic the lie is the more dedicated they become to it.

But just to repeat: We all knew this would happen if any of these criminals got killed (and Finicum promised to die rather than be taken). So that's why so much care was taken to try to avoid this very thing from happening. But Finicum forced the hand of the LEOs.

I've been comparing the rightwing response to this killing to that of the outrage in the black community over the killing of Michael Brown. We remember how far the rightwing went to justify that killing of an unarmed black man and how grotesquely hypocritical those very same cop supporters are being now. But that is their usual m.o. And then they whine when their well-deserved ridicule is "awarded."
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How many of the people saying the FBI murdered this guy are also calling Black Lives Matter a ridiculous movement? 90%..95% 100%? Gotta love the irony.

As far as I am concerned. I'm glad they gunned this SOB down. Ditto Micheal Brown.
 
countryboy said:
Were you this worked up over the false "hands up don't shoot" meme in Ferguson? No? Didn't think so. :roll:
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By "worked up" I have to conclude you mean cooly presenting the facts. Otherwise that's just incoherent keyboard pounding.
 
calamity said:
How many of the people saying the FBI murdered this guy are also calling Black Lives Matter a ridiculous movement? 90%..95% 100%? Gotta love the irony.

As far as I am concerned. I'm glad they gunned this SOB down. Ditto Micheal Brown.
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You're a centrist, all right.
 
digitusmedius said:
You're a centrist, all right.
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Yep, central to the idea that criminals who don't hit the ground with their hands on their heads deserve what they get.
 
If they think that they have a case they could go to court but I doubt that they'll get anywhere.

Mr Finicum fought the law and the law won.
 
LowDown said:
The above is completely incoherent. What are you claiming right wingers are saying? The only ones I know of back up the police.

I saw the film. He clearly made a movement like he was going for a gun. I didn't see any gun, though. Might have been suicide by cop.

As for the celebrated shooting of certain unarmed blacks, what disturbs me about that is the way that the black community has its own set of facts at odds with official accounts even when the officials involved are themselves black and the witnesses contradicting their narrative are black, and even the policemen are black, and so on. Of the cops who clearly were unjustified in shooting that have come out in the news, those are being charged with crimes.

One tends to discount the claims of activists who sell narratives proven false. The idea that cops are getting away with unjustified shootings of unarmed blacks in significant numbers is bogus. The idea that they aren't shooting unarmed whites is false.

When this country elected a black man to the most powerful office in the world the twilight of the race hustler was at hand, and what we are seeing are the increasingly desperate efforts of the Al Sharptons of the world to keep their grip on power.
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To the bolded:

Well said!

Excellent! :thumbs:
 
What I found interesting about this shooting was the different reactions to Finicum's behavior by law enforcement. Finicum faced an FBI agent first and reached for his pockets twice without being shot. Then a local police officer emerges from the trees, Finicum turns around to face him, reaches for the pockets, and gets popped. It looked to me like the Feds are more willing to at least attempt to de-escalate a situation than local law enforcement.
 
digitusmedius said:
By "worked up" I have to conclude you mean cooly presenting the facts. Otherwise that's just incoherent keyboard pounding.
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No, not exactly what I meant. So, were you?
 
Napoleon said:
What I found interesting about this shooting was the different reactions to Finicum's behavior by law enforcement. Finicum faced an FBI agent first and reached for his pockets twice without being shot. Then a local police officer emerges from the trees, Finicum turns around to face him, reaches for the pockets, and gets popped. It looked to me like the Feds are more willing to at least attempt to de-escalate a situation than local law enforcement.
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What I find even more interesting are the many very different reactions of people interested in, and their comments made here, and in other threads, on the incident, and the end result.

As I said on pg. 2, "IF you keep your hands up, the LEOs won't shoot you. IF you drop your hands, etc. the LEOs will shoot you."

(I've stated all along that Finicum DID pull his pistol.)

To ALL, Plz see my Poll Question.
 
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Third thread I commented in on this, but basically.... I couldn't tell whether he was pulling a gun and/or putting it back, but that behavior was begging for death. He was part of an armed take-over of a federal building, he made statements of intent to die fighting the gov, he ran a blockade and nearly hit a cop, he exited the vehicle and waved his hands up and down, but maily around his waist, shouting....

Tamir Rice got 2 seconds.

He got 24.
 
Fletch said:
Is that what I said? And where did you get such vast knowledge of "the white supremacists' fake-victimhood canon?" Are you an active member?
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Mainly he's just making **** up.
 
Mr Person said:
Third thread I commented in on this, but basically.... I couldn't tell whether he was pulling a gun and/or putting it back, but that behavior was begging for death. He was part of an armed take-over of a federal building, he made statements of intent to die fighting the gov, he ran a blockade and nearly hit a cop, he exited the vehicle and waved his hands up and down, but maily around his waist, shouting....

Tamir Rice got 2 seconds.

He got 24.
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So once a belligerent has a gun out and is pointing it at cops and other people then they have to give him 24 seconds to de-escalate or it's racism? What a twisted load of bullocks.

I'm sure that the difference is that Finicum didn't have his gun out yet.
 
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