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House fails to knock down Obama veto of anti-Obamacare bill

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The U.S. House of Representatives on Tuesday failed to override President Barack Obama's veto of legislation that would have dismantled his signature healthcare law, the Affordable Care Act.
At least a two-thirds vote of the House was needed to knock down Obama's veto; the Republican-majority House fell short by more than three dozen votes. The vote was 241-186, and ends consideration of the bill; the Senate will not take it up.
The widely expected outcome was the latest chapter in the lengthy clash between Republicans and Democrats over the Affordable Care Act, also known as "Obamacare."
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Read more @: House fails to knock down Obama veto of anti-Obamacare bill | Reuters

And no one is not surprised.... More wasted time.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
It's not really wasted time, most of the republicans ran on repealing the law, hence they're fulfilling campaign promises. Obama promised to expand health care, he vetoes repeal doing likewise.

System working as designed
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Hmm. If it is not wasted time then what good did it do? Republicans failed to fulfill their promise of stopping Obamacare and wasted time doing it. The results were easy to determine without spending the time to go through the motions. Are Republican voter so dumb that they don't understand the concept of "not having the votes"? This is 3rd grade civics for pete's sake.
 
iguanaman said:
Hmm. If it is not wasted time then what good did it do? Republicans failed to fulfill their promise of stopping Obamacare and wasted time doing it. The results were easy to determine without spending the time to go through the motions. Are Republican voter so dumb that they don't understand the concept of "not having the votes"? This is 3rd grade civics for pete's sake.
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Nope they passed the repeal Obama vetoed it. that is what they said they would do.
however with all the major insurance companies raising prices through the roof
and even pulling out of the exchange all together obamacare is going to be short lived.

so much for affordable.

I am still waiting on my 2500 premium reduction still haven't seen it.
 
iguanaman said:
Hmm. If it is not wasted time then what good did it do?
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it puts congress people on record[/quote]
Republicans failed to fulfill their promise of stopping Obamacare and wasted time doing it.
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yes and I do not agree with the second point, some of politics is showmanship. I do not agree that spending time on legislation is "wasted time" legislators are elected to do just that
The results were easy to determine without spending the time to go through the motions.
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agreed
Are Republican voter so dumb that they don't understand the concept of "not having the votes"?
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I am not willing to knock my fellow Americans like that
This is 3rd grade civics for pete's sake.
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I would argue 7th, but I doubt anyone really cares.
 
ludin said:
Nope they passed the repeal Obama vetoed it. that is what they said they would do.
however with all the major insurance companies raising prices through the roof
and even pulling out of the exchange all together obamacare is going to be short lived.

so much for affordable.

I am still waiting on my 2500 premium reduction still haven't seen it.
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And the Obamabots are still waiting for Gitmo to be closed. You didn't think Obama really meant anything he said while campaigning, do you?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
And no one is not surprised.... More wasted time. [/FONT]
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Depends entirely about one's view of government.

If you feel that the House, the most localized of the federal positions, and it's representatives primary purpose is to "get stuff done" irrespective of their campaign pledges or the desires/reasons of their constituents, then absolutely you're right. In that case they would have "wasted time" passing something that had little chance of making it past a presidential veto.

If however you feel that such a position is beholden to the notion that they are representing their constituents, that politicians should go to what lengths they can to make good on campaign promises, and that the House of Representatives serves as the localized voice of the people within the federal government, then I would argue it most assuredly isn't "wasted time" but rather a proper and reasonable action.
 
The American system has been gridlocked for years.
 
iguanaman said:
Hmm. If it is not wasted time then what good did it do? Republicans failed to fulfill their promise of stopping Obamacare and wasted time doing it. The results were easy to determine without spending the time to go through the motions. Are Republican voter so dumb that they don't understand the concept of "not having the votes"? This is 3rd grade civics for pete's sake.
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There is a purpose. As a voter I now know who is for Obamacare and who is not. Come time for their reelection it will be easier to determine who is spinning the issue and who is not.

It seems your stance then that unless a bill has a 100% chance of passing or surviving a President veto, then it should not be voted on is not practical.

Not to change the subject but is not adding riders to appropriation Bills more of a waste of time. (been awhile, what comes to mind is the prayer in school issue attached to the Pentagon budget).
 
mike2810 said:
There is a purpose. As a voter I now know who is for Obamacare and who is not. Come time for their reelection it will be easier to determine who is spinning the issue and who is not.
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That would certainly account for the first vote on the subject. Kind of a weak explanation by the time you get to the 63rd vote though.

If the GOP wants to demonstrate where it stands, it's time to (at long last) unveil an alternative and put it to a vote. We get it, they don't like the ACA. Now what do they want to replace it with? A vote on that actually would be useful regardless of the outcome.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
It's not really wasted time, most of the republicans ran on repealing the law, hence they're fulfilling campaign promises. Obama promised to expand health care, he vetoes repeal doing likewise.

System working as designed
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Correction they are making it appear as though they are fulfilling a campaign promise to the gullible voters back home. If they wanted to fulfill that campaign promise then they would not be doing single issue dead on arrival bills. If they were actually serious about fulfilling their campaign promises then the one thing they would not do is vote for spending bills that fund everything they claimed to be opposed to. If they were actually serious then then every bill that reaches Obama's desk would strip funding for Obama-care regardless if Obama refused to sign it and threaten to shut down the government over it.
 
tres borrachos said:
And the Obamabots are still waiting for Gitmo to be closed. You didn't think Obama really meant anything he said while campaigning, do you?
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The GOPbots in Congress are the reason that Gitmo is not closed. They passed legislation that prevented Obama from trying or imprisoning them here. You do know that right? Obama has reduced the population though and we are paying millions a year per prisoner because of the GOP legislation that prevents its closing. Spending money is what they do best I guess.
 
iguanaman said:
The GOPbots in Congress are the reason that Gitmo is not closed. They passed legislation that prevented Obama from trying or imprisoning them here. You do know that right? Obama has reduced the population though and we are paying millions a year per prisoner because of the GOP legislation that prevents its closing. Spending money is what they do best I guess.
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What gets me is the GOP always talking about how bad ass they are, what with their guns and self-reliant bs that they preach all the time, while always saying how much of a ***** the Dems and Obama are...but, then when it comes time to send a few "dangerous" men here for trial and incarceration, they run like girls and demand we keep them in Cuba.

Maybe Cuba is the real bad ass country. Cuba, housing the prisoners Americans are too afraid to take.
 
calamity said:
What gets me is the GOP always talking about how bad ass they are, what with their guns and self-reliant bs that they preach all the time, while always saying how much of a ***** the Dems and Obama are...but, then when it comes time to send a few "dangerous" men here for trial and incarceration, they run like girls and demand we keep them in Cuba.

Maybe Cuba is the real bad ass country. Cuba, housing the prisoners Americans are too afraid to take.
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Well then maybe the Dems should tell the American people that they want to break the law. Even the current AG states the law does not allow it.
If the Dems have enough votes lined up, they can change the law. Don't see much action on that front, do you?

""With respect to individuals being transferred to the United States, the law currently does not allow for that," Lynch ...
AG Lynch on Bringing Gitmo Detainees to U.S.: 'The Law Currently Does Not Allow for That'
 
mike2810 said:
Well then maybe the Dems should tell the American people that they want to break the law. Even the current AG states the law does not allow it.
If the Dems have enough votes lined up, they can change the law. Don't see much action on that front, do you?

""With respect to individuals being transferred to the United States, the law currently does not allow for that," Lynch ...
AG Lynch on Bringing Gitmo Detainees to U.S.: 'The Law Currently Does Not Allow for That'
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Who voted against changing the law?

Oh...that's right.

Congress Votes Against Closing Gitmo. Again. And Again | The Bob and Chez Show | News and Politics Podcast and Blog

The Republican-controlled House of Representatives has once again voted against closing the prison at Guantanamo Bay by prohibiting the transfer of detainees to mainland American soil.

And amendment offered by Representative Adam Smith (D-WA) which would have closed the prison by 2016 was defeated 177-247.
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calamity said:
Who voted against changing the law?

Oh...that's right.

Congress Votes Against Closing Gitmo. Again. And Again | The Bob and Chez Show | News and Politics Podcast and Blog
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I will use the stance from a poster on another thread dealing with ACA. The poster basically stated its a waste of time to try and overturn ACA when you do not have the votes.
So why keep trying the same old "lets close Gitmo" when you do not have the votes. Move on people and be more productive.

What advantage is there to bringing the detainees to the US? Shouldn't the detainees be tried in a military court?

Seems the Dems and President Obama should have done it when they controlled both the House and the Senate. But they didn't.
 
mike2810 said:
I will use the stance from a poster on another thread dealing with ACA. The poster basically stated its a waste of time to try and overturn ACA when you do not have the votes.
So why keep trying the same old "lets close Gitmo" when you do not have the votes. Move on people and be more productive.

What advantage is there to bringing the detainees to the US? Shouldn't the detainees be tried in a military court?

Seems the Dems and President Obama should have done it when they controlled both the House and the Senate. But they didn't.
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I don't believe I ever said it was a waste of time for Republicans to try ending ACA. But, I do wish them luck dealing with it if they do win the presidency. The chaos will then be on their watch. Should be entertaining.

I bet dollars to donuts that they simply rename the thing, vote it out and in at the same time and declare victory.
 
iguanaman said:
Hmm. If it is not wasted time then what good did it do? Republicans failed to fulfill their promise of stopping Obamacare and wasted time doing it. The results were easy to determine without spending the time to go through the motions. Are Republican voter so dumb that they don't understand the concept of "not having the votes"? This is 3rd grade civics for pete's sake.
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This was mainly a symbolic gesture from the GOP. As EMNofSeattle said, Republicans ran and were elected primarily to repeal the PPACA (ObamaCare) and after 51+ repeal bills that went no where, they finally got a repeal bill on the President's desk. However, it was well known throughout Congress that the President would veto any such bill and, as such, the only way to make the original bill become law was for Congress starting with the House to over-ride his veto with a 2/3 majority vote. Since that didn't happen in the House, the Senate which is majority Democrat will not take up the bill since it would fail a veto over-ride as well.

So, depending on one's point of view...wasted effort...I think so because such a bill was DOA (dead on arrival) and stood ZERO chance of being signed, but the GOP had to do it just so they could finally say, "We tried".
 
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iguanaman said:
The GOPbots in Congress are the reason that Gitmo is not closed. They passed legislation that prevented Obama from trying or imprisoning them here. You do know that right? Obama has reduced the population though and we are paying millions a year per prisoner because of the GOP legislation that prevents its closing. Spending money is what they do best I guess.
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Thanks for the laugh!
 
Objective Voice said:
This was mainly a symbolic gesture from the GOP. As EMNofSeattle said, Republicans ran and were elected primarily to repeal the PPACA (ObamaCare) and after 51+ repeal bills that went no where, they finally got a repeal bill on the President's desk. However, it was well known throughout Congress that the President would veto any such bill and, as such, the only way to make the original bill become law was for Congress starting with the House to over-ride his veto with a 2/3 majority vote. Since that didn't happen in the House, the Senate which is majority Democrat will not take up the bill since it would fail a veto over-ride as well.

So, depending on one's point of view...wasted effort...I think so because such a bill was DOA (dead on arrival) and stood ZERO chance of being signed, but the GOP had to do it just so they could finally say, "We tried".
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I guess when your base is virtually all low information voters it makes some sense. The House has to do something in the 3 days a week they are in session I guess.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
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And no one is not surprised.... More wasted time. [/FONT]
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Is this their 60th attempt or something by now?



EMNofSeattle said:
It's not really wasted time, most of the republicans ran on repealing the law, hence they're fulfilling campaign promises.
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If they ran on cutting down the mightiest tree in the forest they'd spent several years trying to do it, even though their only tool was a dead herring.

After a certain point, it changes from "fulfilling campaign promises" to "being useless morons."
 
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