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Military Officials: Women Should Register for Draft — Just Like Men

Mr. Invisible said:
Military Officials: Women Should Register for Draft — Just Like Men - NBC News

So, what do you guys think of this?

Personally, I'm in favor of it seeing as how if men have to register and now that all combat arms are open to women, its only fair that they register.
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Sure, let's do it.


A draft is unlikely now anyway; adding women to it would pretty much be the kiss of death for the draft, which is as it should be.



It is hard to morally justify the draft in a free nation. If we can't fight a war with volunteers, we probably should not be fighting it at all.
 
cpwill said:
We don't for women in the services now, or for single dads. They are expected to Figure It Out. Usually this means leaving the child with a grandparent, or the other parent of the child, or some similar arrangement.



Women shouldn't be out in the infantry on the battlefield in the first place. This concern was raised at the time and dismissed, or accepted as the price to get them in the infantry. Equality, and stuff. You wanted it. You got it. No whining and bitching now that you've learned it's hard, and demanding, and unfair, and tough. We told you all that **** before hand.
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But that's just it, if someone inexpectedly becomes a single or dual military parent or simply is one of these, they can get out without any real harsh penalties. It's a general discharge that normally can be upgraded. It isn't as simple as "figure it out or we punish you". Figure it out or get out is what it is now, so why would that change with a draft?
 
The thing people don't seem to understand is that allowing women who do meet the qualifications for combat units to join them if they want to and can does not actually mean more women are able to meet those qualifications. So then that means the vast majority of drafted women will have to be put into support units and the vast majority of men, even more than if women were not drafted, would be in combat units.
 
roguenuke said:
But that's just it, if someone inexpectedly becomes a single or dual military parent or simply is one of these, they can get out without any real harsh penalties. It's a general discharge that normally can be upgraded. It isn't as simple as "figure it out or we punish you". Figure it out or get out is what it is now, so why would that change with a draft?
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Because we would be in a draft.

Furthermore, he didn't limit to only single parents.

If you get drafted, you are going.

Ya'll wanted equality, well, you should get it. Take the baby leave back to 10 days PTAD, and no more skipping out by having kids.

It was so predictable ya'll would immediately switch from " let everything be equal" to "oh, but not in those areas that advantage females"
 
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cpwill said:
Because we would be in a draft.

Furthermore, he didn't limit to only single parents.

If you get drafted, you are going.
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Not necessarily. Plenty of people have been exempted from drafts for lots of different reasons.

What's predictable is people not understanding that reality is not black and white.

If you want to really make it fair, end mandatory draft signup for everyone and offer incentives to both men and women for signing up for the draft voluntarily. If we need to draft them, up to a certain age and barring some medical issue that pops up, they cannot get out of it through things like going to college or seminary school or being pregnant because they said they'd do it (women go right after leave is up, but 10 days is definitely not enough for most women to heal let alone bond, and men should get that time too). If they re if on it, they pay back what they got.
 
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I always supported the women that I had down in the engine rooms that I was in control of. They had there physical limitations, but they could take working in 120-140 temps as well as the men. I taught them to work smarter while moving around heavy machinery parts by using chain-falls, come-a-longs, Spanish windlasses, and other short cuts. The ones that applied themselves went to very good careers.

But, a ships engine room is much different than being a Marine or Navy Seal. It's tough, but there is always a shower and a galley with food...... 3 decks up.

Not even close to being a Marine, Soldier, Seal, or Delta

Women need to be placed in limited roles.
 
roguenuke said:
Not necessarily. Plenty of people have been exempted from drafts for lots of different reasons.
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Sure, but that is at the draft board. "I'm a parent" isn't any better an excuse for women than it is for men anymore.
 
cpwill said:
Sure, but that is at the draft board. "I'm a parent" isn't any better an excuse for women than it is for men anymore.
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I'm pregnant is. And most single parents are women (and that has been a reason to get out of the draft for men in the past).
 
roguenuke said:
I'm pregnant is. And most single parents are women (and that has been a reason to get out of the draft for men in the past).
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Don't see why it would. It wouldn't get me out if my wife was pregnant. Equality. You demanded it. Now you get it.
 
Drones. Robots. We don't need a damn draft lol you people are ridiculous. Theres enough retards graduating high school who think they'll be little heroes for fighting bull**** wars that we will never have to worry about a draft.
 
akrunner88 said:
Drones. Robots. We don't need a damn draft lol you people are ridiculous. Theres enough retards graduating high school who think they'll be little heroes for fighting bull**** wars that we will never have to worry about a draft.
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Retards.

Interesting way to describe young people who serve.
 
cpwill said:
Don't see why it would. It wouldn't get me out if my wife was pregnant. Equality. You demanded it. Now you get it.
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Whether you like it or not, pregnancy is a medical condition that cannot be ignored and cannot be dealt with in many areas that a person would be expected to go if drafted. It is a fact of life.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Retards.

Interesting way to describe young people who serve.
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Most of the people I know in the military with a small exception are who I considered borderline retarded in high school. I thought they were retarded before signing up, not after. All joining the military did was give them a gun and open up their future to PTSD.
 
akrunner88 said:
Most of the people I know in the military with a small exception are who I considered borderline retarded in high school. I thought they were retarded before signing up, not after. All joining the military did was give them a gun and open up their future to PTSD.
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Then you likely don't know a lot of people or your interactions with people who joined the military are very limited.
 
roguenuke said:
Whether you like it or not, pregnancy is a medical condition that cannot be ignored and cannot be dealt with in many areas that a person would be expected to go if drafted. It is a fact of life.
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The facts of life, eh? Hm. Let me see if I remember the counter-argument to this the last time I pointed this out.....


.... ah. Yes. You are a bigoted misandrist who hates equality, and are basically arguing for Jim Crow. :)
 
cpwill said:
The facts of life, eh? Hm. Let me see if I remember the counter-argument to this the last time I pointed this out.....

.... ah. Yes. You are a bigoted misandrist who hates equality, and are basically arguing for Jim Crow. :)
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Not from me. I argue my points.
 
roguenuke said:
Not from me. I argue my points.
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That sounds plausible - you are generally a straight shooter.

The Facts of Life are that liberals demanded that women be treated equally in the military. And now you are complaining that you might get it.
 
akrunner88 said:
Drones. Robots. We don't need a damn draft lol you people are ridiculous. Theres enough retards graduating high school who think they'll be little heroes for fighting bull**** wars that we will never have to worry about a draft.
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:) My first platoon leader had a Masters Degree from Harvard. Where did you go to school?
 
RetiredUSN said:
No you wouldn't.............you already said that you would shoot everyone around you.
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When you're out to eliminate everyone and women just had to show up, well, they get eliminated too.
 
cpwill said:
That sounds plausible - you are generally a straight shooter.

The Facts of Life are that liberals demanded that women be treated equally in the military. And now you are complaining that you might get it.
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I can't get drafted, I already joined and served over 17 years (will almost certainly finish 20). Even had I not joined, I would still have signed up voluntarily for the draft, whether they gave incentives or not because I wouldn't have minded being a backup, having my country know that I'd be willing to fight if they needed me even if I was doing something else besides being in the military.

Women being treated equally in the military has nothing to do though with the reason why women are not currently required to sign up for the draft, which has to do with many other things that have to do with ability to get pregnant being a pretty good way to get out of duty, religions that insist women should be "fruitful and multiply" and stay home with those children (religious exemptions), the fact that most women cannot meet the current physical demands of combat units, something that most men can do. This means that men and women within a draft situation would still be treated differently, and likely it would look to the men as unfair to them, with the women filling up most of the supply billets, while men did most of the combat billets. It simply wouldn't be smart to do it any other way. Opening up combat units to women didn't change any of these facts, nor did it magically make it so that more women could meet the physical demands of combat units. It allowed those very few women who could meet those physical demands a chance to serve in that capacity.
 
roguenuke said:
Women being treated equally in the military has nothing to do though with the reason why women are not currently required to sign up for the draft, which has to do with many other things that have to do with ability to get pregnant being a pretty good way to get out of duty, religions that insist women should be "fruitful and multiply" and stay home with those children (religious exemptions), the fact that most women cannot meet the current physical demands of combat units, something that most men can do. This means that men and women within a draft situation would still be treated differently, and likely it would look to the men as unfair to them, with the women filling up most of the supply billets, while men did most of the combat billets. It simply wouldn't be smart to do it any other way. Opening up combat units to women didn't change any of these facts, nor did it magically make it so that more women could meet the physical demands of combat units. It allowed those very few women who could meet those physical demands a chance to serve in that capacity.
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You are right. It does have nothing to do with that. Because it is irrelevant to it. You (broadly) don't get to claim that the baby-maker keeps you out of service anymore. We draft men, including men who aren't physically up to snuff when we draft them, and including men who are parents. Here's your K-Pot, your rifle, and the front is that direction.

You're right - its not smart. But we have decided not to be smart . We have decided to be Fair. Equality. It means Actual Equality, not just I Get What I Want But Not The Stuff I Don't. :) Off you go, little Susie. Good luck with the enemy. They'll be all men.
 
cpwill said:
You are right. It does have nothing to do with that. Because it is irrelevant to it. You (broadly) don't get to claim that the baby-maker keeps you out of service anymore. We draft men, including men who aren't physically up to snuff when we draft them, and including men who are parents. Here's your K-Pot, your rifle, and the front is that direction.

You're right - its not smart. But we have decided not to be smart. We have decided to be Fair. Equality. :) Off you go, little Susie. Good luck with the enemy. They'll be all men.
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You aren't making a bit of sense. Basically it is "**** it, we're all doomed, might as well do a lot of other stupid crap too just because I think this X was a bad decision". The argument is ridiculous and not logical.

And why would you think the enemy is going to be all men? How do you even know what would happen in a future war that required a draft? Given the current climate of the world, it isn't likely to be all men we would be fighting. Even the middle eastern countries would run out of men eventually. There are female Islamic terrorists.
 
akrunner88 said:
Drones. Robots. We don't need a damn draft lol you people are ridiculous. Theres enough retards graduating high school who think they'll be little heroes for fighting bull**** wars that we will never have to worry about a draft.
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If they're graduating from high school, they clearly aren't "retards."
 
roguenuke said:
You aren't making a bit of sense. Basically it is "**** it, we're all doomed, might as well do a lot of other stupid crap too just because I think this X was a bad decision". The argument is ridiculous and not logical.
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Nope. It's fair. It's equal. It's what y'all (lied, apparently, and) claimed you wanted.. And are now upset that you might get.

And why would you think the enemy is going to be all men?
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Because we are the only country (at current) stupid enough to value Fairness over Combat Effectiveness.
 
cpwill said:
Nope. It's fair. It's equal. It's what y'all (lied, apparently, and) claimed you wanted.. And are now upset that you might get.

Because we are the only country (at current) stupid enough to value Fairness over Combat Effectiveness.
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Really, the only country? Might want to do some deeper fact checking there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_military_by_country

Facts show that many countries today have women in their ranks, some have women serving in combat roles or at least within combat units even if they are not actually in the specific combat roles. We had women in combat in the US as far back as the Revolutionary War.

As I've said before, I am all for doing away with the compulsory signing up for the draft altogether, whether for men or women, and simply have people sign up voluntarily, preferably for some sort of benefit, for a draft. It should be voluntary, not mandatory. If we ever truly needed a mandatory draft again, I doubt it would require a draft list.
 
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