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Sanders campaign reviewing Iowa caucus totals, says actual result may never be known

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...totals-says-actual-result-may-never-be-known/

“As an empirical matter, we’re not likely to ever know what the actual result was,” said Jeff Weaver, Sanders’s campaign manager, who cited as complicating factors the narrow margin, the “arcane” rules of the caucuses, the delayed reporting of some precincts and the technology used to reports the results.
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With all precincts reporting, the Iowa Democratic Party said Tuesday morning that Hillary Clinton had edged Sanders on the number of delegates awarded, 49.8 percent to 49.6 percent. Clinton’s campaign declared victory even before the final tallies were released.

Weaver said his campaign is reviewing tally sheets and “looking into a few other issues,” which he declined to name.
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A little Wasserman coronation magic?
 
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Andalublue said:
Would that be surprising? The caucus system seems ripe for abuse and manipulation.
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To be fair, the whole American election system is open to abuse and manipulation. Hardly the first time candidates and others question election results... It shows a total lack of trust of the system, which is dangerous.

You imagine this happening in the UK? That people question the result so often? I remember in the 1990s, a Danish election was so close that a bunch of people in the colonies basically put the socialists in power... did the right complain and demand recount? nope because there is trust in the system.
 
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Join the 21st century Iowa. One person, one vote. How ****ing hard is it?
 
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PeteEU said:
To be fair, the whole American election system is open to abuse and manipulation. Hardly the first time candidates and others question election results... It shows a total lack of trust of the system, which is dangerous.

You imagine this happening in the UK? That people question the result so often? I remember in the 1990s, a Danish election was so close that a bunch of people in the colonies basically put the socialists in power... did the right complain and demand recount? nope because there is trust in the system.
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Hillary won all six coin flips.

So you trust that system?
 
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Whaaaaaaaat? Voter fraud? Electioneering???? Impossible!
 
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Erod said:
Hillary won all six coin flips.

So you trust that system?
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There were 5 coin flips and they did not appreciably change the State delegate allocation. The flips were for "County" delegates and not the State numbers we saw on the screen. But of course the fact that Hillary won all 5 means she is a witch just the same. Burn her at the stake.

Similar situations played out at various precincts across the state, but had an extremely small effect on the overall outcome, in which Clinton won 49.9 percent of statewide delegate equivalents, while Sanders won 49.5 percent. The delegates that were decided by coin flips were delegates to the party's county conventions, of which there are thousands selected across the state from 1,681 separate precincts. They were not the statewide delegate equivalents that are reported in the final results.
The statewide delegate equivalents that determine the outcome on caucus night are derived from the county-level delegates, but are aggregated across the state and weighted in a manner that makes individual county delegate selections at a handful of precincts count for a tiny fraction of the ultimate result.
Similar situations played out at various precincts across the state, but had an extremely small effect on the overall outcome, in which Clinton won 49.9 percent of statewide delegate equivalents, while Sanders won 49.5 percent. The delegates that were decided by coin flips were delegates to the party's county conventions, of which there are thousands selected across the state from 1,681 separate precincts. They were not the statewide delegate equivalents that are reported in the final results.

The statewide delegate equivalents that determine the outcome on caucus night are derived from the county-level delegates, but are aggregated across the state and weighted in a manner that makes individual county delegate selections at a handful of precincts count for a tiny fraction of the ultimate result.
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Sometimes, Iowa Democrats award caucus delegates with a coin flip
 
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Iowa's caucus system is crazy, but yeah I think Bernie won.
 
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ThaiBoxer said:
Iowa's caucus system is crazy, but yeah I think Bernie won.
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Even if he lost to Hillary by .2 or .3 percent, he won.
 
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Erod said:
Hillary won all six coin flips.

So you trust that system?
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I don't trust any system that puts tiebreakers on the same process as deciding who gets the ball first in overtime.
 
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azgreg said:
Join the 21st century Iowa. One person, one vote. How ****ing hard is it?
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all of this nonsense started with al gore and his 900 recount attempts simply because he couldn't stand to lose.
 
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ludin said:
all of this nonsense started with al gore and his 900 recount attempts simply because he couldn't stand to lose.
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:roll:
 
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Kobie said:
I don't trust any system that puts tiebreakers on the same process as deciding who gets the ball first in overtime.
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yea I find that kind of funny myself.

so did you win the election? nope the official screwed up the coin toss.
 
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Kobie said:
:roll:
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I know the truth is hard to accept however you didn't hear all this recount bs before that unless it fell within the guidelines for a recount.
after the recount people accepted the win or loss and that was it or they just conceded.

after al gore now we have month long lawsuits and constant challenges to the election and it isn't fair I thought I should win but didn't.
the fact is sanders lost as far as we know.

if he was losing by enough votes then that is it. however he basically tied Clinton and she only gets like 1 more delegate than he does.
even is she is declared the so called winner it is more of a pyric victory. cool she won but only came away with 1 more delegate than he did.

that is like saying yea we took the castle, but my lord we only have 100 soldiers left out of the 20k we brought with us.
there isn't much victory to claim in that.
 
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ludin said:
I know the truth is hard to accept however you didn't hear all this recount bs before that unless it fell within the guidelines for a recount.
after the recount people accepted the win or loss and that was it or they just conceded.

after al gore now we have month long lawsuits and constant challenges to the election and it isn't fair I thought I should win but didn't.
the fact is sanders lost as far as we know.

if he was losing by enough votes then that is it. however he basically tied Clinton and she only gets like 1 more delegate than he does.
even is she is declared the so called winner it is more of a pyric victory. cool she won but only came away with 1 more delegate than he did.

that is like saying yea we took the castle, but my lord we only have 100 soldiers left out of the 20k we brought with us.
there isn't much victory to claim in that.
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Do you honestly believe Al Gore is the first politician to pursue his options in a recount situation?

Guess who filed the first lawsuit in the 2000 Florida recount process? If you said "Al Gore," you'd be hilariously wrong.
 
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Kobie said:
Do you honestly believe Al Gore is the first politician to pursue his options in a recount situation?

Guess who filed the first lawsuit in the 2000 Florida recount process? If you said "Al Gore," you'd be hilariously wrong.
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wow you really don't read what people write do you? you just make up what they say even though you quote them.

the fact is sanders should enjoy the political victory that he got.
people don't like sore losers and he is already starting to act like one.

he needs to push the political victory and move on to the next state and stop whining about this one.
if he continues to push this he could end up sinking his campaign.
 
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ludin said:
wow you really don't read what people write do you? you just make up what they say even though you quote them.

the fact is sanders should enjoy the political victory that he got.
people don't like sore losers and he is already starting to act like one.

he needs to push the political victory and move on to the next state and stop whining about this one.
if he continues to push this he could end up sinking his campaign.
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Well, glad to see you think that candidates who get the shaft should just roll over and take it. Cool beans.
 
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PeteEU said:
To be fair, the whole American election system is open to abuse and manipulation. Hardly the first time candidates and others question election results... It shows a total lack of trust of the system, which is dangerous.

You imagine this happening in the UK? That people question the result so often? I remember in the 1990s, a Danish election was so close that a bunch of people in the colonies basically put the socialists in power... did the right complain and demand recount? nope because there is trust in the system.
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The automatic right to a postal vote where blank forms can be, and are, handed to the reps from one's local mosque lead to much questioning of results in the UK. Elections in places like Birmingham and Tower Hamlets have abused and manipulated big time.
 
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Erod said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...totals-says-actual-result-may-never-be-known/

A little Wasserman coronation magic?
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Nope, a totally hosed system of delegates voting. Put them in a crowded room for hours and bore them. One building was twice it's legal capacity so there had to be restroom issues. Count heads by trying to have them stand on different sides of the room and hope nobody gets fed up or has an appointment and leaves. One county didn't even have a leader. They picked a guy out of the crowd that had no training. The republicans had major problems during the last primaries. The state party changed their procedures for this primary.
 
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Sweden said:
The automatic right to a postal vote where blank forms can be, and are, handed to the reps from one's local mosque lead to much questioning of results in the UK. Elections in places like Birmingham and Tower Hamlets have abused and manipulated big time.
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Yes racists have been pushing this narrative for some time.. and it has been investigated and the situations where it has been proven have been delt with. It would however not change the end result.. plus it is very rare and local. American manipulation is nation wide and does impact election results.
 
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The Republicans used electronics.
 
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PeteEU said:
Yes racists have been pushing this narrative for some time.. and it has been investigated and the situations where it has been proven have been delt with. It would however not change the end result.. plus it is very rare and local. American manipulation is nation wide and does impact election results.
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Islam as well as being a religion is a word view, an ideology and a political programme. Its followers will use every lie, subterfuge and trick to promote it. Of course one thing it is NOT is a 'race' and speaking out against this enemy of justice and reason does not make one a 'racist'.
 
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ludin said:
all of this nonsense started with al gore and his 900 recount attempts simply because he couldn't stand to lose.
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Nah....the coin toss is a time honored political tie breaker. It's literally the luck of a coin toss when both sides are evenly divided. Short of killing your opponent, it's not all that undesirable.
 
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VanceMack said:
Nah....the coin toss is a time honored political tie breaker. It's literally the luck of a coin toss when both sides are evenly divided. Short of killing your opponent, it's not all that undesirable.
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yea I know. which is why sanders should take the political win. he is only 1 delegate behind Hillary and he should just run with that into the next primary.
if he starts acting like a kid and crying over 1 delegate then he is going to leave a sour taste in peoples mouths.

the president is supposed to be a leader not a cry baby, but Obama has turned that into a disgrace as well.

whhhaaaaa I can't get my way so I will pass unconstitutional EO in order to get what I want.
king king am I.
 
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