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Breaking, Ammon Bundy in Custody

Kal'Stang said:
I've been looking through reports on this and I can't help but wonder that something is being covered up here. Seems that a lot of people are glad that these guys got arrested that they're over looking something that seems fairly important. In every report that I've seen it states that these guys are being charged with "All six arrested face a federal felony charge of conspiracy to impede officers of the United States from discharging their official duties through the use of force, intimidation or threats, authorities said."

CNN ~ Oregon protest leader Ammon Bundy, others arrested; 1 killed

Seems to me that if this is all that they're being charged with then something is up in more ways than one.

For instance, why are the feds refusing to state who fired the first shots? Why are they not being charged with some other crime also if what they're doing is criminal? At the very least if these guys fired the first shots then they'd be getting charged with far more than some lame criminal charge that is prolly only brought out as a last resort because they have nothing else.
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Yes something is up. Our federal government under Obama is completely pussified and obama's weak-willed cowardice is seeping into every aspect of the government. These charges are weak.
 
Moot said:
They'll get him....eventually. Maybe.


Great job on the breaking news updates, btw. :thumbs:
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They arrested him in AZ today. LOL
 
danarhea said:
They might not have fired the first shots, but if they pointed their weapons, then they are fair game.
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I agree, but again, why isn't that being stated? How often do you see LEO's of any stripe that actually withholds that type of information from the press? I can't count how many articles of read or videos I've seen that haven't had the police clearly stating that X person made a threatening move, aimed a weapon at them prompting the officers to shoot first etc etc etc. Or any other thing trying to show people that they only shot because their life was in imminent danger. But this is the first time I've ever heard of them staying mum on it from the get go. Plus their not being charged with resisting arrest, which is usually one of the first things charged in circumstances such as this. Instead we're seeing them be charged with something that is in my experience rarely used at best, usually because there are usually other more serious things to be charging people with.
 
Kal'Stang said:
I've been looking through reports on this and I can't help but wonder that something is being covered up here. Seems that a lot of people are glad that these guys got arrested that they're over looking something that seems fairly important. In every report that I've seen it states that these guys are being charged with "All six arrested face a federal felony charge of conspiracy to impede officers of the United States from discharging their official duties through the use of force, intimidation or threats, authorities said."

CNN ~ Oregon protest leader Ammon Bundy, others arrested; 1 killed

Seems to me that if this is all that they're being charged with then something is up in more ways than one.

For instance, why are the feds refusing to state who fired the first shots? Why are they not being charged with some other crime also if what they're doing is criminal? At the very least if these guys fired the first shots then they'd be getting charged with far more than some lame criminal charge that is prolly only brought out as a last resort because they have nothing else.
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Don't worry, they will charge them for much more. They aren't gonna see daylight for a long time.
 
Kal'Stang said:
I've been looking through reports on this and I can't help but wonder that something is being covered up here. Seems that a lot of people are glad that these guys got arrested that they're over looking something that seems fairly important. In every report that I've seen it states that these guys are being charged with "All six arrested face a federal felony charge of conspiracy to impede officers of the United States from discharging their official duties through the use of force, intimidation or threats, authorities said."

CNN ~ Oregon protest leader Ammon Bundy, others arrested; 1 killed

Seems to me that if this is all that they're being charged with then something is up in more ways than one.

For instance, why are the feds refusing to state who fired the first shots? Why are they not being charged with some other crime also if what they're doing is criminal? At the very least if these guys fired the first shots then they'd be getting charged with far more than some lame criminal charge that is prolly only brought out as a last resort because they have nothing else.
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It is an interesting point. Certainly you would expect the charges to eventually expand in order to include a much broader list of federal charges. However, given the militant nature of the specific individuals involved in the arrest, and the fact that shots were fired and a U.S. citizen was killed by federal officials (by the way, I fully expect that someone in the Obama administration had passed down orders to the FBI were to avoid casualties at all cost and someone is pissed right now), the current announcement is probably being kept abruptly short.

As for the specifics of who fired first, I am sure that we will learn a lot more very soon.
 
Kal'Stang said:
I agree, but again, why isn't that being stated? How often do you see LEO's of any stripe that actually withholds that type of information from the press? I can't count how many articles of read or videos I've seen that haven't had the police clearly stating that X person made a threatening move, aimed a weapon at them prompting the officers to shoot first etc etc etc. Or any other thing trying to show people that they only shot because their life was in imminent danger. But this is the first time I've ever heard of them staying mum on it from the get go. Plus their not being charged with resisting arrest, which is usually one of the first things charged in circumstances such as this. Instead we're seeing them be charged with something that is in my experience rarely used at best, usually because there are usually other more serious things to be charging people with.
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I think they are withholding information at this time because this is not over yet. I see a raid on the sanctuary itself about to happen. There are still some bad actors there. If those still there believe that they won't be charged with the worst offenses, they might be more prone to give up.
 
austrianecon said:
I don't deal with ignorance very well. So simply put.. they weren't arrested on federal lands.

They were pulled over on "probable cause" so no warrants were issued yet. FBI has also said anybody at the Refuge has a right to leave with no charges.. which means the other X amount of people if they leave will not be charged.
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And you know there no warrants...how?

Trespassing, armed trespassing, etc. They had plenty of reasons to arrest these hillbillies.
 
"...Bundy and about three dozen of other individuals occupied the wildlife refuge earlier this month after two local ranchers were sent to prison for setting fires on federal land.
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Looks like there might be quite a few militants still back at the refuge...so it might not be over yet.
 
beefheart said:
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2016/01/26/reports-ammon-bundy-custody-others-oregon
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About freakin' time!

It's easy to see the Bundy's & their crowd were only emboldened by their lack of consequences in Nevada!

I believe the feds may send a bit of a message this time, and rightfully so.

beefheart said:
LaVoy Finicum — the Oregon militant beneath the blue tarp — killed in police shootout: reports

Finicum is the idiot who is all angry because the state of AZ took away his means of living by revoking his status as a foster parent. He is a first class wack job. He won't be missed.
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Whoa baby!

11 foster kids??? He's making a business out taking government money! WTH? These are the guys that are preaching independence and freedom from the big bad government? Hypocritical B.S.!


beefheart said:
Felony stop. They are criminals, they left the compound, they are stupid, and now one of them is dead.

Dead guy is saying here that warrants were issued for their arrests. And dead guy said he would fight back.

Guess he lost.

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Yowsa! He sounds delusional and out of touch with reality, as well as threatening to shoot the feds if they try to get him, but attempting to use language that gets the point across while still giving himself a legal out. Completely delusional! Does he think cop, judges, and juries are idiots?

He doesn't sound too different than the goof in the compound who hijacked the fed computers, but claimed it was O.K. because he wasn't messing with the data!

These guys are way out of touch with reality, but I suspect they are getting pulled back to earth!

And sadly, I blame the feds for letting them off-the-hook back in Nevada. Criminals committing criminal acts often go deeper & deeper if they avoid getting caught.
 
danarhea said:
They might not have fired the first shots, but if they pointed their weapons, then they are fair game.
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If they pointed weapons the charges would be much higher.
 
austrianecon said:
Where does it say the Felony warrant he had? It doesn't. By the way.. members of the militia have live recording of the stop. LaVoy Finicum was shot and killed exiting the car with his hands up. Those at the refugee sent the video to other militias and the militia LaVoy Finicum belonged to has gone active.
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and the conspiracy theories start.....
 
Kal'Stang said:
I agree, but again, why isn't that being stated? How often do you see LEO's of any stripe that actually withholds that type of information from the press? I can't count how many articles of read or videos I've seen that haven't had the police clearly stating that X person made a threatening move, aimed a weapon at them prompting the officers to shoot first etc etc etc. Or any other thing trying to show people that they only shot because their life was in imminent danger. But this is the first time I've ever heard of them staying mum on it from the get go. Plus their not being charged with resisting arrest, which is usually one of the first things charged in circumstances such as this. Instead we're seeing them be charged with something that is in my experience rarely used at best, usually because there are usually other more serious things to be charging people with.
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Too early. This just happened hours ago.

The feds have had a long time to plan this and took the time not to make any mistakes. Much better having the arrest confrontation on isolated hiway far from civilian population.

Bundy simply blew it not taking the county sheriff's offer to escort them safely out of Oregon. He was given many opportunities to end this peacefully without arrest. Idiot.
 
danarhea said:
I think they are withholding information at this time because this is not over yet. I see a raid on the sanctuary itself about to happen. There are still some bad actors there. If those still there believe that they won't be charged with the worst offenses, they might be more prone to give up.
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That's a possibility as far as the charges go. But still wondering about them staying mum on the shooting incident.

Actually.... thinking about it a bit more... if there's a possibility of getting harsher charges wouldn't that make them more prone to give up? Particularly in light of the fact that they have told the remaining militia folks that if they leave now they won't be charged with anything?
 
reinoe said:
Yes something is up. Our federal government under Obama is completely pussified and obama's weak-willed cowardice is seeping into every aspect of the government. These charges are weak.
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Holy hell reinoe. Come on. The FBI may have just defused a very volatile situation with a rather minimal amount of collateral damage (it's still tough to say at this moment), but to claim that this level of diplomacy is "pussification" or "cowardice" is simultaneously wrong and misogynistic as ****.
 
austrianecon said:
Well, I am guessing it's gonna get nasty. Ammon Bundy and the FBI were talking this morning in resolving it. Now FBI decided to ambush Ammon. Not gonna sit well with others.
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I don't see how nasty it can get, to be honest:

Starve them out by waiting, or nab them if they flee. They have the choice yo go peacefully, or die in a hail of lead. Notice a militant was killed and another wounded, but no reported injuries to the feds. I don't expect that calculus to change during future encounters.
 
austrianecon said:
Where does it say the Felony warrant he had? It doesn't. By the way.. members of the militia have live recording of the stop. LaVoy Finicum was shot and killed exiting the car with his hands up. Those at the refugee sent the video to other militias and the militia LaVoy Finicum belonged to has gone active.
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Well then someone should let the county coroner know that he/she may need some extra slabs because they too shall pass. That is, if they haven't learned by now that the FBI won't tolerate their second amendment solutions.
 
austrianecon said:
Where does it say the Felony warrant he had? It doesn't. By the way.. members of the militia have live recording of the stop. LaVoy Finicum was shot and killed exiting the car with his hands up. Those at the refugee sent the video to other militias and the militia LaVoy Finicum belonged to has gone active.
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Where do you have the info saying there wasn't a warrant?

Dead guy said there were warrants. What say you?
 
Kal'Stang said:
That's a possibility as far as the charges go. But still wondering about them staying mum on the shooting incident.

Actually.... thinking about it a bit more... if there's a possibility of getting harsher charges wouldn't that make them more prone to give up? Particularly in light of the fact that they have told the remaining militia folks that if they leave now they won't be charged with anything?
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Maybe they simply wanted to break it to his enormous state-funded family before the gawpers knew. Common decency and all that.
 
austrianecon said:
Where does it say the Felony warrant he had? It doesn't. By the way.. members of the militia have live recording of the stop. LaVoy Finicum was shot and killed exiting the car with his hands up. Those at the refugee sent the video to other militias and the militia LaVoy Finicum belonged to has gone active.
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You know this? Do you have video of the arrest and the shooting?

What do you mean by his militia has "gone active?"
 
beefheart said:
And you know there no warrants...how?

Trespassing, armed trespassing, etc. They had plenty of reasons to arrest these hillbillies.
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Because none have been filed. They would have been reported everywhere. FBI doesn't offer a get out of jail card if warrants have been issued. So there are NO warrants for anything that has happened at the Refuge. When warrants are issued it's the duty of the FBI and the local leos to arrest on site. Local LEOs didn't do it last week, FBI didn't arrest Bundy and bunch when they were doing town meetings over the last 3 weeks.
 
beefheart said:
Where do you have the info saying there wasn't a warrant?

Dead guy said there were warrants. What say you?
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Exactly, there are videos of him saying that there are federal warrants. The fact that this abbreviated FBI statement does not mention the existence of the FBI warrants shouldn't lead you to doubt that they exist or that they were not part of the reason for this current charge.
 
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