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Is Donald Trump now unstoppable?

cpwill said:
He does indeed need a strong third performance in Iowa and to improve his game in New Hampshire.

Ironically, Trump's best allies in this race are the candidates struggling to be The Establishment Candidate - Kasich, Bush, and Christie.
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Exactly. Thus why Rubio has no chance. Trump has masterfully kept Cruz between himself and Rubio at one end...and the party hacks encourage Bush and Christie at the other holding on to few percent of the vote. Rubio has been flat in be polls for a couple of months. Moreover..minimal media coverage.

Rubio is young. He's smart. He wants to be President and has a decent chance to be one day if he comes out of the race with a bit of strength, integrity and not alienating Trump and future Trump-like supporters.
 
Iamjesus said:
Exactly. Thus why Rubio has no chance. Trump has masterfully kept Cruz between himself and Rubio at one end...and the party hacks encourage Bush and Christie at the other holding on to few percent of the vote. Rubio has been flat in be polls for a couple of months. Moreover..minimal media coverage.

Rubio is young. He's smart. He wants to be President and has a decent chance to be one day if he comes out of the race with a bit of strength, integrity and not alienating Trump and future Trump-like supporters.
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Trump is a genius at getting free media coverage. I would need to see evidence that the attacks on Rubio from Bush et. al. are his machinations before I do anything other than laughingly dismiss that. They are following their own internal logic.
 
Iamjesus said:
Nobody cares , or at least 99% don't care about labels. Politicos yammering to each other about silly labels is a non issue for the public.

Trump is this...Hillary is that...irrelevant.

It will be 'who do I like better? Who do I trust more? Who will be the better President? The pundits will put them into ideological boxes but they are for the most part meaningless. The old media and the talking heads are a step behind what's happening in society. They keep bringing up past elections as if some 25 year old voter in LA or Memphis had ever heard of the candidates.
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The article wasn't really about labels as much as the failures of the Republican Party and why Trump is appealing to a broader level of people.
 
In an interview with Wolf Blitzer today, Trump may be highlighting his general election pivot.

Trump has said that "the establishment doesn't like me" but they're now "coming online." You need to make the deals, and you can't have someone on the [Senate] floor that everyone thinks is a "wackjob."

The National Review-Conservative Movement v Donald Trump episode has now entered an interesting turn.

Regardless, the National Review (and even The Weekly Standard) isn't quite willing to accept that it was the conservative movement's rank populism that gave rise to both Cruz and Trump in the first place.

Cruz and Trump in the 2016 primary are the twin seemingly contradictory legacies of the Tea Party movement.
 
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Fiddytree said:
In an interview with Wolf Blitzer today, Trump may be highlighting his general election pivot.

Trump has said that "the establishment doesn't like me" but they're now "coming online." You need to make the deals, and you can't have someone on the [Senate] floor that everyone thinks is a "wackjob."

The National Review-Conservative Movement v Donald Trump episode has now entered an interesting turn.

Regardless, the National Review (and even The Weekly Standard) isn't quite willing to accept that it was the conservative movement's rank white populism that gave rise to both Cruz and Trump in the first place.
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These publications have eventually become more establishment than conservative. Both parties need a good shake-up because, when in power, there is little difference between them. Trump, and his supporters, certainly recognize that.

If people want the same government they've had for the last 30 years, or worse, they should go with the usual candidates.
 
danarhea said:
He will either get the nomination, or he will run as an independent, thus splitting the Republican vote. The GOP is totally screwed either way.
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i doubt that he will run as an independent if he doesn't get the nomination.
 
Fiddytree said:
In an interview with Wolf Blitzer today, Trump may be highlighting his general election pivot.

Trump has said that "the establishment doesn't like me" but they're now "coming online." You need to make the deals, and you can't have someone on the [Senate] floor that everyone thinks is a "wackjob."

The National Review-Conservative Movement v Donald Trump episode has now entered an interesting turn.

Regardless, the National Review (and even The Weekly Standard) isn't quite willing to accept that it was the conservative movement's rank populism that gave rise to both Cruz and Trump in the first place.

Cruz and Trump in the 2016 primary are the twin seemingly contradictory legacies of the Tea Party movement.
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In part.

The big unknown is all the new media. I see 2020 or 2024 being outside of party politics at the Presidential level. More Trumps and less Romneys. A couple of billionaires, celebrities making their own runs at being POTUS. Not sure what Demos or GOP can do to stay relevant at be presidential level. Facebook, Twitter and media ratings will be more the decider who is on the ballot.

Trump is already doing this. He has theRepublican label but it is a bit of a token. Bloomberg is on the sidelines and will probably not enter but there will be more Bloombergs next time. Hillary will be the Dem nominee because of her name. It's billionaires, celebrities. In 2020 we may see a sports star enter, some Hollywoid director, the host of he Tonight Show. It will be very different dynamics.
 
Grant said:
In fact that's just what they've been. This also explains Trump's appeal. The World They Made :: SteynOnline
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given that the Democrats messed up and nominated an unappealing legacy candidate (without a single vote being cast) even though the Republicans did that the last two elections and lost because of it, i would think that this time, they might actually want to win. Trump is the easiest candidate for Hillary to beat. in fact, i'd be surprised if her superpacs aren't donating to his campaign.
 
Helix said:
given that the Democrats messed up and nominated an unappealing legacy candidate (without a single vote being cast) even though the Republicans did that the last two elections and lost because of it, i would think that this time, they might actually want to win. Trump is the easiest candidate for Hillary to beat. in fact, i'd be surprised if her superpacs aren't donating to his campaign.
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Like him or not Trump has run a brilliant campaign, consistently proving the naysayers wrong. I think he would demolish either Hillary or Barnie.
 
Grant said:
Like him or not Trump has run a brilliant campaign, consistently proving the naysayers wrong. I think he would demolish either Hillary or Barnie.
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i really doubt it. he lacks the temperament to be entrusted with the most powerful military that the world has ever known.
 
Helix said:
i doubt that he will run as an independent if he doesn't get the nomination.
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I used to think that too but now I dont know. Now I think that if the elite screw him out of the nomination that the voters said should be his that he just might. At that point he might just be pissed off enough to do it if he can. But I not sure that he can, Bloomberg is under the impression that he needs to decide by March 1 or else he cant get on the ballets, because the D's and the R's have colluded so that by the time someone looses at the convention they cant come back and try to attack the party by running outside of the Parties.

And I have no reason to think that the courts would want to or be willing to get in the middle of this after what happened in Bush v Gore.
 
Helix said:
i really doubt it. he lacks the temperament to be entrusted with the most powerful military that the world has ever known.
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The people entrusted Obama...

Just saying...
 
Helix said:
i really doubt it. he lacks the temperament to be entrusted with the most powerful military that the world has ever known.
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Apart from this election campaign his temperament has never been a problem, despite decades in the public eye. Trump is acting out, and doing a superb job of it, hardly paying for any of the publicity he's receiving. His advisers have learned from the master himself. Better Call Saul - WSJ
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I used to think that too but now I dont know. Now I think that if the elite screw him out of the nomination that the voters said should be his that he just might. At that point he might just be pissed off enough to do it if he can. But I not sure that he can, Bloomberg is under the impression that he needs to decide by March 1 or else he cant get on the ballets, because the D's and the R's have colluded so that by the time someone looses at the convention they cant come back and try to attack the party by running outside of the Parties.

And I have no reason to think that the courts would want to or be willing to get in the middle of this after what happened in Bush v Gore.
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Bloomberg might do it. i doubt that Trump will waste his money, though. he won't win, and he'll basically guarantee a Democratic victory by doing that. Bloomberg, on the other hand, doesn't care. his main motivation is making sure that people don't do naughty things, and that transcends political alliance. Trump wants to kick out Latinos, but not if it drains a significant part of his fortune in the process and there's no chance of winning.
 
Mycroft said:
The people entrusted Obama...

Just saying...
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We sent him to Washington with ONE mandate, try to get it and America working again. Then he blew off fixing Washington and actively worked against fixing America. He also went 180 degrees from what he said while asking for the job on the government's abuse of the people, on liberty, on drone assassinations, on good functioning of the government, on POTUSES being bought by the wealthy, on the wealthy writing the laws, on and on and on.

THis was betrayal.
 
Grant said:
Apart from this election campaign his temperament has never been a problem, despite decades in the public eye. Trump is acting out, and doing a superb job of it, hardly paying for any of the publicity he's receiving. His advisers have learned from the master himself. Better Call Saul - WSJ
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he's not going to pull enough of the middle to win.
 
Helix said:
Trump wants to kick out Latinos, but not if it drains a significant part of his fortune in the process and there's no chance of winning.
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1) latinos have nothing to do with the calculation of an independent run.

2) Trump will likely do very well with latinos...last I saw he was running 27% and with them jobs and education is more important and Trump will sell the hell out of both of them in the general. Now is not the time, now is the time for talking about giant walls that mexico will pay for and throwing out all of the illegals and bringing back only the good ones....which he will amend to offering citizenship to all the useful ones who have stayed out of trouble and throwing ALL of the rest out...giant sweeps to round up the trash and get them out of here..........which more latinos support than anyone is willing to tell you.
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
1) latinos have nothing to do with the calculation of an indepent run.

2) Trump will likely do very well with latinos...last I saw he was running 27% and with them jobs and education is more important and Trump will sell the hell out of both of them in the general. Now is not the time, now is the time for talking about giant walls that mexico will pay for and throwing out all of the illegals and keeping only the good ones....which he will amend to offering citizenship to all the useful ones who have stayed out of trouble and throwing ALL of the rest out...giant sweeps to round up the trash and get them out of here.
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please. dude would pull a lower percentage of the Latino vote than Romney. i mean, if we're going to discuss this, let's at least be realistic.
 
Helix said:
he's not going to pull enough of the middle to win.
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I doubt the Middle would go for Hillary or Barnie either. Once the nomination is decided, if he gets it, I think the his histrionics will subside.
 
Grant said:
I doubt the Middle would go for Hillary or Barnie either. Once the nomination is decided, if he gets it, I think the his histrionics will subside.
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my guess is that it's Clinton and one of the establishment Republicans. if a winger wins the R nomination, it will be Cruz, not Trump. and if it is Trump, he's unlikely to win the general.
 
Helix said:
he's not going to pull enough of the middle to win.
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After Bernie gets his face shoved in the mud by the establishment things are going to change so dont bet on that just yet.
 
Helix said:
please. dude would pull a lower percentage of the Latino vote than Romney. i mean, if we're going to discuss this, let's at least be realistic.
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What did the realistic conversation on Sanders and Trumps chances look like 6 months ago...........

You see my point, right?
 
Hawkeye10 said:
After Bernie gets his face shoved in the mud by the establishment things are going to change so dont bet on that just yet.
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i doubt that he'll be the nominee. i'll probably vote for him, but he will likely drop out of the race before then. i don't harbor many illusions that he could win the general, either.
 
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