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Trump: Apple should build 'their damn things' in US

Hawkeye10 said:
So far as I know Trump played his bankruptcies by the rules of the game, that he honored the rules, that he had no part in creating those rules and that all play by them.

When it comes to China he is trying to get the POTUS chair which will get him some power to set the rules, AND he claims with a great argument that we are playing a game with china where they play by one set of rules and we play with another, that there is no level playing field.

Me thinks you are not understanding that your argument sucks, because you have made the mistake of equating apples and oranges.
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Not a level playing field? Cry me a river. And how so?

Great argument? Oh, did he say, "something something GREAT AGAIN!"
 
radcen said:
He understands the free market very well. But, he is a hypocrite and he's just telling people what they want to hear. Outright lying, essentially. There's no substance to much of anything he says.
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I agree with everything except that he understands free market 'very well'.

'Free Market definition
A market economy based on supply and demand with little or no government control.'

Read more: Free Market Definition | Investopedia Free Market Definition | Investopedia

How can he understand free market economics and then turn around and ask for GIGANTIC tariffs on everything manufactured overseas?

Either he understands it and is deliberately misinterpreting the definition. Or he does not understand it/has mutated the definition in his mind.

I do not know which.
 
radcen said:
We don't really have a "free market", either.
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True.

But a 35% tariff?

That is miles beyond and protectionism going on now.

That is flat out protectionism.

The fact that he calls for that and then turns around and calls himself a free trader proves he is a liar and/or an idiot and/or delusional on this subject.

I am not saying you do not agree to some extent...I am just sayin....
 
DA60 said:
Starving seniors and the poor?

IMO, that is WAY too high of a price.


Are you seriously suggesting that every POTUS (with all of their economic advisors) since at least Nixon - with views so incredibly diverse. Plus respected economist after economist (including Ben Bernanke and probably every Fed chairman in at least the last 50 years)...ALL are DEAD SET against massive tariffs.
And somehow Trump - who has NO MACROECONOMIC EXPERIENCE AT ALL - knows better? Even though you acknowledge that it will SEVERELY hurt the poor/seniors.

All of this and you still say it is a good idea?

Noted.
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Yes and what we have been doing is a path to certain ruin. Unfortunately I view economics as an opinion fest and macroeconomics as blind opinion fest. You can't support free trade when your trading partners don't practice it. There is a huge leak in the barrel that has been there for a very long time. The barrel will empty at some point.
 
radcen said:
He understands the free market very well. But, he is a hypocrite and he's just telling people what they want to hear. Outright lying, essentially. There's no substance to much of anything he says.
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No he has been saying the same thing for decades. He is correct.
 
DA60 said:
'Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump warned that he would force Apple, the U.S.'s most profitable company, to manufacture all of its products in the U.S. if he is elected president in November 2016.

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During his 45-minute speech on Martin Luther King day, Trump also claimed to support free trade yet insisted he'd impose a 35 percent tax on businesses producing goods overseas, including Ford cars that are produced in Mexico.'

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/19/trump-apple-should-build-their-damn-things-in-us.html


Thoughts?
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Perhaps Trump should look first to his own international golf courses and real estate developments before preaching to other companies. In any case, I strongly disagree with Trump.
 
Honestly, he's embarrassing himself.

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DA60 said:
True.

But a 35% tariff?

That is miles beyond and protectionism going on now.

That is flat out protectionism.

The fact that he calls for that and then turns around and calls himself a free trader proves he is a liar and/or an idiot and/or delusional on this subject.

I am not saying you do not agree to some extent...I am just sayin....
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It is exactly the right number. The cost to produce in China is about 30% cheaper than producing the same things in the U.S. A 35% tariff is an incentive for manufacturers to bring production home.
 
fmw said:
No he has been saying the same thing for decades. He is correct.
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So let me see if I understand this. It's OK that HE goes offshore, but not OK if others do? And you don't see that as hypocrisy? Wow, the blind apology is a thing of beauty.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
So far as I know Trump played his bankruptcies by the rules of the game, that he honored the rules, that he had no part in creating those rules and that all play by them.
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How lovely. So he bankrupts all of us but he does it all by the rules.

Kinda negates the business experience card.
 
Top Cat said:
So let me see if I understand this. It's OK that HE goes offshore, but not OK if others do? And you don't see that as hypocrisy? Wow, the blind apology is a thing of beauty.
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He doesn't export manufacturing to other countries. He builds things in other countries and repatriates at least some of the profits. He does the opposite of manufacturers. No, there is no hypocrisy.
 
DA60 said:
'Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump warned that he would force Apple, the U.S.'s most profitable company, to manufacture all of its products in the U.S. if he is elected president in November 2016.

...

During his 45-minute speech on Martin Luther King day, Trump also claimed to support free trade yet insisted he'd impose a 35 percent tax on businesses producing goods overseas, including Ford cars that are produced in Mexico.'

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/19/trump-apple-should-build-their-damn-things-in-us.html


Thoughts?
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I guess he does not believe in free markets nor want most Americans to be able to afford Apple products. He's soo mean!!
 
If people like Trump really want the manufacturing business to make a big comeback in the US then the solution is really simple: get rid of minimum wage, cut back on taxes and get rid of mandatory worker entitlements. Doing that will brings loads of manufacturing firms back to America.
 
PoS said:
If people like Trump really want the manufacturing business to make a big comeback in the US then the solution is really simple: get rid of minimum wage, cut back on taxes and get rid of mandatory worker entitlements. Doing that will brings loads of manufacturing firms back to America.
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Greetings, PoS. :2wave:

tsk, tsk, tsk. Sometimes the truth doesn't sound so appealing, does it? Maybe that's why we hear it so seldom..... :mrgreen:

Off topic, but I finished book 1 of The Glooming. :scared: My housework got kinda neglected, but that's standard in the life of an avid reader! :lamo: So when will I be able to buy book 2 so I can read about how it all turns out? Great writing!
 
PoS said:
If people like Trump really want the manufacturing business to make a big comeback in the US then the solution is really simple: get rid of minimum wage, cut back on taxes and get rid of mandatory worker entitlements. Doing that will brings loads of manufacturing firms back to America.
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Why would we want this country to turn into a third world ****hole though?
 
tacomancer said:
Why would we want this country to turn into a third world ****hole though?
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To prove we are capable of getting the job done much more efficiently than Germany or the U.K.?
 
DA60 said:
I agree with everything except that he understands free market 'very well'.

'Free Market definition
A market economy based on supply and demand with little or no government control.'

Read more: Free Market Definition | Investopedia Free Market Definition | Investopedia

How can he understand free market economics and then turn around and ask for GIGANTIC tariffs on everything manufactured overseas?

Either he understands it and is deliberately misinterpreting the definition. Or he does not understand it/has mutated the definition in his mind.

I do not know which.
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I believe he understands it very well. I stand by that. I also believe he is manipulating anything and everything to his benefit. If the "free market" is a benefit to him today, his actions make him a free market guy. If government control benefits him tomorrow, whammo!, he's a government control guy... but still telling people he's a free-market guy.

Trump's words mean nothing. Watch his actions.
 
DA60 said:
'Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump warned that he would force Apple, the U.S.'s most profitable company, to manufacture all of its products in the U.S. if he is elected president in November 2016.

...

During his 45-minute speech on Martin Luther King day, Trump also claimed to support free trade yet insisted he'd impose a 35 percent tax on businesses producing goods overseas, including Ford cars that are produced in Mexico.'

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/19/trump-apple-should-build-their-damn-things-in-us.html


Thoughts?
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Just another example of Donald Trump being a liberal Democrat masquerading as a conservative Republican. But hey, he fooled that bright light Sarah Palin, so it must be working.

Come November, the Democrats may have their dream race for the White House - two liberal, social Democrats and not a conservative Republican in sight.
 
PoS said:
If people like Trump really want the manufacturing business to make a big comeback in the US then the solution is really simple: get rid of minimum wage, cut back on taxes and get rid of mandatory worker entitlements. Doing that will brings loads of manufacturing firms back to America.
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While that will help, it isn't enough. Companies that manufacture abroad need a financial incentive. I suppose you could increase taxes on companies that manufacture abroad but the tariff would be more fair.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Just another example of Donald Trump being a liberal Democrat masquerading as a conservative Republican. But hey, he fooled that bright light Sarah Palin, so it must be working.

Come November, the Democrats may have their dream race for the White House - two liberal, social Democrats and not a conservative Republican in sight.
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They have been electing people like that for quite a while.
 
radcen said:
I believe he understands it very well. I stand by that. I also believe he is manipulating anything and everything to his benefit. If the "free market" is a benefit to him today, his actions make him a free market guy. If government control benefits him tomorrow, whammo!, he's a government control guy... but still telling people he's a free-market guy.

Trump's words mean nothing. Watch his actions.
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I think he understand how to make money, I do not think he understands what 'free market economics' really is. Oh, he probably understands the definition, but I doubt he agrees with it.

But then neither of us truly knows what he actually thinks, we are just guessing.
 
clownboy said:
Can you see that if Apple were to bring just 10% of it's overseas manufacturing home what that would do for us?
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They wouldn't be the most profitable company in the world. Apple does not want to be a consumer electronics company. Foxcon is a CEC. The difference in terms of revenue from intellectual property and tax liability is complete night and day.
 
humbolt said:
That doesn't mean I agree with all of it, but give the man some credit for being pretty astute in getting his message across to it's intended audience. He's doing that, and he's doing it directly, without pages and pages of policy positions in flyers arriving in the mail that no one reads.
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Give him credit for telling a poorly educated demographic that 200+ years of economic history is a fairy tale? Nah. They guy is an idiot.
 
DA60 said:
'Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump warned that he would force Apple, the U.S.'s most profitable company, to manufacture all of its products in the U.S. if he is elected president in November 2016.

...

During his 45-minute speech on Martin Luther King day, Trump also claimed to support free trade yet insisted he'd impose a 35 percent tax on businesses producing goods overseas, including Ford cars that are produced in Mexico.'

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/19/trump-apple-should-build-their-damn-things-in-us.html


Thoughts?
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Wrong time for that garbage.

The primary iPhone manufacturer in China, with 400,000 employees, are taking extra vacation next month to cut 30% of their production.

Seems that Apple is fat on iPhone 6 inventory, and needs to cut production.

Trump is too stupid to recognize that domestic production, compared to China, will seriously drive up retail US retail pricing, and then give a leg up to Chinese imports from other sources.

Trump is truly a moron.
 
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